Why America Dropped the Bomb
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The trigger for Pearl Harbor was the US embargo. If the Japanese didn't start a war with the US, their fleet would have ran out of oil in a year.
Embargoes are potentially acts of war. Something the US apparently hasn't learned. The US led embargo against Iran could blow up in a similar manner.
Regarding dropping the bomb... few people understood the destructive power of nuclear weapons at the time. From Truman's viewpoint, it was just a bigger bomb similar to other bombs. It wasn't until after the post bomb images of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with reports of a mysterious illness (radiation poisoning) that the true nature of nuclear weapons began to sink in.
Embargoes are potentially acts of war. Something the US apparently hasn't learned. The US led embargo against Iran could blow up in a similar manner.
Regarding dropping the bomb... few people understood the destructive power of nuclear weapons at the time. From Truman's viewpoint, it was just a bigger bomb similar to other bombs. It wasn't until after the post bomb images of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with reports of a mysterious illness (radiation poisoning) that the true nature of nuclear weapons began to sink in.
Who started the Iraq war in 2003? I thought it was an unprovoked attack by the Americans justified by lies about 9/11 and WMDs..... After WW II, the Allies executed people for starting unprovoked wars of aggression.
And the Japanese were sitting at home in their rice fields- Not in China- not in Korea. Oh yes are you aware that the Japanese made their final decision on Pearl- It was either Russia or PH. The Russians had a spy net in Japan and their master spy had this information just after the decision was made. It was radioed to Russia and enabled Russia to move divisions to Moscow at the last minute- Saved Moscow. Seems Stalin did not pass along the info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sorge
See also: German-Japanese relations
Sorge supplied the Soviet Red Army with information about the Anti-Comintern Pact, the German-Japanese Pact and warned of the Pearl Harbor attack. In 1941, Sorge is said to have informed them of the exact launch date of Operation Barbarossa. Moscow answered with thanks but Joseph Stalin largely ignored it,[14] as was also the case with information supplied by the other networks, including Leiba Domb's Red Orchestra spy network on the German Borders. Stalin was reportedly so angry with Domb's information that he ordered that Domb be 'punished for spreading such lies'. (The order was not followed).[citation needed]
Gordon Prange's analysis (1984) was that the closest Sorge came to predicting the launch date of Operation Barbarossa was 20 June 1941 and Prange comments that Sorge himself never claimed to have discovered the correct date (22 June) in advance.[15] The date of 20 June had been given to Sorge by the deputy military attaché, Lieutenant-Colonel Erwin Scholl, at the German embassy in Tokyo.[16] As Sorge took pride in and sought the credit for the spy ring's work, Professor Prange may have taken Sorge's failure to claim that he had discovered the correct date as conclusive evidence that Sorge in fact did fail to discover it. Kim Philby's recruiter A. Deutsch was also the spymaster of Gestapo officer Willi Lehmann, who on June 19 cabled the Barbarossa launch date to NKVD in Moscow. Stalin considered this as disinformation, too.
The Soviet press reported in 1964 that on June 15, 1941, Sorge had broadcast a dispatch saying that, "The war will begin on June 22."[17] Writing before previously-embargoed material was released by the Russian authorities in the 1990s, Prange and those writing with him appear not to have accepted the veracity of this report. More recently, Stalin was quoted as having ridiculed Sorge and his intelligence prior to the launch of Operation Barbarossa:
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"Wars may start when you will... but they do not end when you please." - Machiavelli
Embargoes are not acts of war... blockades are! We refused to sell oil because of their invasion of China! That's why!
Pray tell what was the Japanese next step. To TAKE BY FORCE the oil that they needed to continue their East Asian expansion.
And they thought we wouldn't have the stomach to fight it out.
Trying to teach EAO is an excerise in futility- The US is the cause of all ills in his view of world events. Ooopps then the Jews.
Well sometimes he reverses it to the Jews then the US -
I'm not defending Imperial Japan. I'm just saying that that the US embargo gave Japan few options. If they didn't attack their war machine would have ran out of oil in a year. The US and UK controlled enough of the world's oil that Japan had 2 choices. Either give up their imperial ambitions or attack the US. Pearl Harbor should have been expected.
If the US faced the same choice as Japan, I'm pretty sure they'd start a war rather too.
Also, the US didn't care about China. The embargo tightened after Japan signed the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy. How many Chinese people Japan slaughtered was far less of a consideration.
I notice every time I post something on any subject, you change the topic into a personal attack against me. That's trolling and against forum rules. Please stick to the topic and stop being a troll.
If the US faced the same choice as Japan, I'm pretty sure they'd start a war rather too.
Also, the US didn't care about China. The embargo tightened after Japan signed the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy. How many Chinese people Japan slaughtered was far less of a consideration.
I notice every time I post something on any subject, you change the topic into a personal attack against me. That's trolling and against forum rules. Please stick to the topic and stop being a troll.
Some sites for info for you - back to school Buckey
World War II-- Japanese invasion of China Second Sino-Japanese War
The Japanese invaded China proper, launching the Second Sino-Japanese War. (July 1937). The Japanese Kwantung Army turned a small incident into a full-scale war. Chinese forces were unable to effectively resist the Japanese. The Japanese military was not only better armed and organized, they were also incredibly brutal. The rape of Nanking was ome of the most terrible attrocities of World War II.
Imperialism, War, Revolution in East Asia (1900-1945) and Korea as a Colony of Japan (1910-1945)
First Sino-Japanese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Second Sino-Japanese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Chinese were doing what Hitler had done- So you prefer to be a Chamberlain - The message from the US was stop invading and slaughtering people- As to the mass slaughter of Chinese civilians, women and children being far less of a consideration for the US you have nothing but your odious view point point that this was the Us Policy - Put up the information or retract such BS.
Have you apologized to Colpy for slandering him- Then do not quote rules as you fail to follow them. Your hatred for Jews and the US is well known and easily proven.
Tough sh*t, if things don't change here in a year I'm going to run out of money and my wife is going to leave. No problem, I'm just going to go rob my neighbour and screw his wife! :smile:
So easy for a Monday Morning QB to say an attack on Pearl should have been expected.
An attack was expected... in the Phillipines... not Hawaii.
The US simply wasn't going to fuel the Japanese war machine any longer. The US cared about a lot of things especially the slaughter of Chinese. Japanese aggression had gone too far.
How do I feel? Just trying to shed a little light on things using simple domestic type analogies for people who get bogged down with the troubles of the world! :lol:
The Japanese killed thirteen million Chinese civilians during WWII. The desire for revenge still smolders among the Chinese people.
I am sure you are familiar with how the Japanese have sanitized their actions and atrocities in school text books.
One of their options would have been to stop their acts of aggression in SE Asia. But they chose instead to murder innocent Americans in Hawaii.
Prior to 1776 who was to blame for all the worlds ills and wars. 4 letters- 1st capitalized- Can be 2 different words-both mean the same, one is a slur. The quiz is on.........................
Hong Kong went under the gun the same day. Little buggers really got around with meyhem on their minds