Whiny NFL QB won't stand for National Anthem

[Tecumsehsbones]

Canada is much more than lil potato. A lot more.

Whiny boy has every right to protest.

Precisely. And to endure the consequences. Under our Constitution, the government can't stop him or punish him. Our Constitution does not require the NFL or any team therein to employ him.

Thing is, he is so entitled, he has no idea about the billions of people who don't have the right.

How do you know that? And don't bother saying "why don't he protest that?" It's a cheap dodge, and amounts to saying "Unless you are protesting every injustice in the world, your protest of one particular injustice is invalid." Spare me this crap, I get enough of it from the morons on this board. You and I don't agree much, but I never thought you were stupid. Don't make me wonder.

And the team has every right to dump his contract because of him being a whiny little bitch.
And the other teams have every right not to hire him because he is an entitled whiny little bitch.

Very true, but that's not why they're doing it. They're doing it because they get a negative reaction from their fans (AKA "paying customers"), and they kinda like making money. And apparently Kaepernick's demands, at this point, are too high. He has said he "won't take backup money."

Lots cheered about the far right guys getting doxxed and losing jobs/university spots;
this is exactly the same.

Yep. You make an ass of yourself in public, you take what comes.

Though I must say, you seem mightily cranked about alleged disrespect for the flag of another country.

 

[justlooking]

How do you know that? And don't bother saying "why don't he protest that?" It's a cheap dodge, and amounts to saying "Unless you are protesting every injustice in the world, your protest of one particular injustice is invalid." Spare me this crap, I get enough of it from the morons on this board. You and I don't agree much, but I never thought you were stupid. Don't make me wonder.

Let's focus on what I posted, not what you think I posted.

Yep. You make an ass of yourself in public, you take what comes.

Though I must say, you seem mightily cranked about alleged disrespect for the flag of another country.

Well, you are certainly the boss of making an ass of yourself.
You seem mightily cranked to have 30,000 posts on a Canadian board,
and plenty of it disrespectful.

 

[Johnnny]

Hey Martin, he has been here longer than you

 

[Jinentonix]

Your understanding of reality is rather lacking, but then so are most conservative types. Go to the ghettos and give yourself an education.

Really Cliffy? What's the closest you ever came to an American inner city neighbourhood?

Whiny bunch of brain dead sheeple getting all whiny about somebody not standing up for a bad tune and a coloured rag. The puppet masters say ya gotta be outraged so y'all jump up and down yellin' crap the media told ya to say.

Kind of like all the anti-Trump rioters? No wait, not kind of like, exactly like.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Let's focus on what I posted, not what you think I posted.



Well, you are certainly the boss of making an ass of yourself.
You seem mightily cranked to have 30,000 posts on a Canadian board,
and plenty of it disrespectful.

And mostly on U.S. topics, and when I comment on Canadian topics, I usually preface my comments with a statement of "this is how we do it, or would do it" and regularly disavowing that I have any interest or say beyond a comment.

But that's OK, I accept your surrender. I put up a long post that mostly agrees with you, with one short semi-ad hominem comment at the very end, and that's what you choose to focus on and respond to. This indicates that you can't rebut the rest of what I said, but you're still mad cuz you don't like me, so you lash out, and do it with a classic tu quoque fallacy to boot.

Seriously, juice box time.

 

[Jinentonix]

Navy investigates sailor who didn’t salute national anthem
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:44 AM EDT
HONOLULU — The Navy has investigated the case of a sailor who didn’t salute as the national anthem played during a recent morning flag-raising at Pearl Harbor.
U.S. Pacific Fleet spokesman Senior Chief Petty Officer Joel Cesar said Tuesday it’s up to the sailor’s commander whether she faces any punishment for not saluting on Sept. 19.
The sailor is Petty Officer 2nd Class Janaye Ervin, an intelligence specialist in the Navy Reserve. She was recently in Hawaii for about two weeks for an exercise.
Erwin is assigned to the Navy Operational Support Center at North Island, California. The command didn’t immediately return a call seeking comment. Erwin didn’t respond to a message sent to a Facebook account in her name. A phone number for her was not listed.
The sailor’s failure to salute comes after San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick received national attention when he refused to stand for the anthem before NFL preseason games earlier this year. He cited racial injustice and police brutality among the reasons for his actions.
Since then, other athletes all over the U.S. have engaged in their own protests during the anthem.
The Navy’s protocol handbook says sailors in uniform must salute during the anthem. They must also face the flag, or if a flag is not visible, sailors are required to face the direction of the music.
(Janaye Ervin/Facebook)

Navy investigates sailor who didn’t salute national anthem | World | News | Toro

How f*cking stupid can you be to join the US military and then protest the anthem? I mean holy f*cking logical disconnect, Batman.

Isn't it obvious? Walter believes that all opinion other than his own right-wing positions should be suppressed.

Which is pretty much the definition of fascism.

Just like all those authoritarian loving, violence-fueled progressives.

 

[justlooking]

But that's OK, I accept your surrender. I put up a long post that mostly agrees with you,

This indicates that you can't rebut the rest of what I said, .

You're right.
You agree with me,
so I can't rebut what you said.

Sorry bout that.

 

[tay]

On Saturday, more than 50 NYPD police officers hosted a press conference at Brooklyn Bridge Park to show their solidarity with the controversial athlete.

“Just because you are in law enforcement doesn’t mean your voice is silenced and the First Amendment doesn’t apply to you,” NYPD Sgt. Edwin Raymond said on Saturday.

Raymond, 32, said he and other cops of color at the press conference know they are breaking the thin blue line code of silence that many officers fear could damage their careers.

“They were scared,” Raymond said of the 40-plus active-duty officers who participated in Saturday’s protest. “I got text messages and calls afterwards saying, ‘I almost didn’t come.’”

A day earlier, the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP stepped up its pressure on the league by announcing the organization will boycott anything having to do with the NFL until Kaepernick gets signed

“There will be no football in the state of Georgia if Colin Kaepernick is not on a training camp roster and given an opportunity to pursue his career,” Gerald Griggs, the group’s vice president, recently told Fox 5 in Atlanta. “This is not a simple request. This is a statement. This is a demand.”

NFL teams have come under fire for their refusal to sign Kaepernick, a 2013 Super Bowl standout who had a few subsequent rough seasons on bad 49ers teams before earning back his starting job last year from journeyman quarterback Blaine Gabbert.

While Kaepernick remains unsigned, Gabbert signed with the Arizona Cardinals in May.

The Baltimore Ravens flirted with signing Kaepernick before the team’s owner reportedly refused to do so, opting to sign an arena football league QB instead.

Some NFL players say the league is trying to send them a message about “knowing your place” on the field.

But that message appears to be backfiring.

Raiders running back Marshawn Lynch refused to stand for the National Anthem during a recent preseason game. Seattle Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett followed suit.

“This is bigger than me. This is bigger than football,” Bennett told reporters on Aug. 14.

More than 1,000 people are expected to participate in a pro-Kaepernick United We Stand protest outside NFL headquarters on Aug. 23.

“[Kaepernick] has the support of not only black and brown folks, but police officers who put their lives on the line every day,” Raymond said.


https://mic.com/articles/183955/col...om-both-inside-and-outside-the-nfl#.Vzh6iDsa3

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You're right.
You agree with me,
so I can't rebut what you said.

Sorry bout that.

You could expand on it, offer some deeper thoughts, or relate it something else, or maybe even recount some event or attitude in Canada that reflects or bears on the issue, seeing as how you're all hopped up on this being a Canadian site and all.

Nah, I take it back. I don't think you could.

 

[tay]

Over a dozen Cleveland Browns kneel in NFL's largest anthem protest yet


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...-national-anthem-protest-giants?CMP=edit_2221

 

[Jinentonix]

And here's why Kaepernick deserves no respect for his whiny bullshit.

Good ol' Fidel Castro, a man of the proletariate. :lol:

 

[Vbeacher]

These overpaid athletes seem to forget their purpose, what's behind those fat salaries they command. They are, first and foremost, entertainers. They are actors on a stage, playing a role, to entertain people. The moment people are no longer entertained, their game stops rewarding them with fat salaries.

What these people are doing is deciding to insert their own political causes into the middle of the play, while they're in costume, on someone else's stage, in someone elese's theater, causing anger and disruption among the spectators. The spectators who might stop coming, who might stop buying the merchandise. The owners understand this even if the morons in their uniforms don't. Kaepernick will not play again in the NFL. Nor does he deserve to. If I was an owner I would dump every player who refused to stand for the anthem. Not because it's not patriotic, but because they're screwing up the spectacle and not playing their roles. If they want to protest on their own time and not in my uniform, well, we'll see, but not on my stage, not in my costume, not I my play.

Those dozen Cleveland browns would be out on the street if I owned that team. Mind you, it's Cleveland. A miserable excuse for a team to begin with. And more than half the population is Black. On the other hand, most of the fans who pay for tickets are white. I would start by finding out who organized the kneeling and get rid of him.

 

[spaminator]

Cleveland unions refuse to hold flag at Browns opening game
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Sunday, September 03, 2017 04:22 PM EDT | Updated: Sunday, September 03, 2017 04:40 PM EDT
CLEVELAND — Members of unions representing Cleveland police officers and paramedics have said they won’t hold a large U.S. flag during pregame ceremonies prior to next Sunday’s Cleveland Browns season opener after a group of Browns players knelt during the national anthem before a preseason game last month.
Steve Loomis, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, cited his service in the U.S. Navy when he told WKYC-TV he was astounded that Browns management knew of the protests but allowed it to occur.
“I am not going to participate or work with management that allows their players to disrespect the flag and the national anthem,” Loomis said.
Nearly a dozen Browns players knelt in a circle and prayed in silent protest during the anthem before a preseason home game Aug. 21 against the New York Giants. A smaller group of players placed hands on the shoulders of their kneeling teammates.
A team spokesman issued a statement at halftime that said the organization has a “profound respect” for the national anthem, the U.S. flag and those who serve in the military.
“We feel it’s important for our team to join in this great tradition and special moment of recognition, at the same time we also respect the great liberties afforded by our country, including the freedom of personal expression,” the statement said.
Dan Nemeth, president of the Cleveland Association of Rescue Employees Local 1975, said he had a similar reaction to Loomis’. He told Cleveland.com he served in the U.S. Marine Corps and finds it “hypocritical” for Browns management to say they support the military while allowing players to kneel during the anthem.
“When I was growing up, we were taught to stand every morning, put our hands over our hearts and say the Pledge of Allegiance,” Nemeth said. “And when we did that, we typically had someone holding the flag in front of the class. For them to disrespect the flag by taking a knee did not sit well with me.”
About 30 Browns players stood arm-to-arm in a line behind the rest of the team during the national anthem before an Aug. 26 preseason game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
A veterans group outside Strongsville said last week that it would not show Browns games because of the player protests.
The Browns’ protests are part of a social-consciousness movement started last season by then-quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who became a polarizing figure for kneeling during the anthem.
This Aug. 21, 2017 file photo shows members of the Browns kneeling during the national anthem before an NFL preseason game against the New York Giants in Cleveland. (Ron Schwane/AP Photo/Files)

Cleveland unions refuse to hold flag at Browns opening game | NFL | Football | S

 

[spaminator]

Missouri bar named S.N.A.F.U. criticized for 'racist' Marshawn Lynch, Kaepernick jersey doormats
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Thursday, September 28, 2017 09:41 AM EDT | Updated: Thursday, September 28, 2017 09:59 AM EDT
LAKE OZARK, Mo. — A Missouri bar owner is defending his use of two NFL jerseys, including Colin Kaepernick’s, as doormats outside his building’s front door.
KOMU-TV reports the display outside the SNAFU Bar in Lake Ozark originally showed Marshawn Lynch’s Oakland Raiders jersey taped to the ground to the left of Kaepernick’s 49ers jersey.
After someone who saw the display complained on the bar’s Facebook page that the arrangement of the names could be construed as a message calling for violence against Kaepernick, the station reports bar owner Jason Burle switched the jerseys’ placement.
Burle tells the station he meant no personal harm by the display. He says the jerseys were put there to protest NFL players kneeling during the national anthem and insists “it’s not a race thing.”
A Missouri bar owner is defending his use of Colin Kaepernick and Marshawn Lynch’s NFL jerseys as doormats outside his building’s front door after someone posted on the bar’s Facebook page that the arrangement of the names could be construed as a message calling for violence against Kaepernick. (KOMU-TV screen grab)

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Lake Ozark bar criticized for NFL jersey doormat seen as racist
Missouri bar named S.N.A.F.U. criticized for 'racist' Marshawn Lynch, Kaepernick

 

[tay]

Hertha Berlin nodded to social struggles in the United States by kneeling before its Bundesliga home game on Saturday. Hertha’s starting lineup linked arms and took a knee on the pitch, …


https://globalnews.ca/news/3803953/german-soccer-players-take-a-knee-solidarity-nfl-players/

 

[spaminator]

Kaepernick files grievance against NFL
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 AM EDT | Updated: Monday, October 16, 2017 01:04 AM EDT
NEW YORK — Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick filed a grievance against the NFL on Sunday, alleging that he remains unsigned as a result of collusion by owners following his protests during the national anthem.
Kaepernick started a national conversation about political activism by athletes last season when he decided to sit, and then kneel, during the anthem to bring attention to mistreatment of African-Americans by police. Other players have continued the protests this season, prompting an angry response from President Donald Trump, who said players should be fired for not standing during the anthem.
Kaepernick opted out of his contract with the 49ers at the end of last season and remains a free agent despite a rash of injuries and poor play at the quarterback position.
Mark Geragos, one of Kaepernick’s attorneys, said in a statement posted on Twitter on Sunday that he filed the grievance “only after pursuing every possible avenue with all NFL teams and their executives.”
“If the NFL (as well as all professional sports leagues) is to remain a meritocracy, then principled and peaceful political protest — which the owners themselves made great theatre imitating weeks ago — should not be punished,” Geragos said in the statement, “and athletes should not be denied employment based on partisan political provocation by the executive branch of our government. Such a precedent threatens all patriotic Americans and harkens back to our darkest days as a nation.”
San Francisco safety Eric Reid, Kaepernick’s former teammate, has been kneeling during the anthem before games, including Sunday’s 26-24 loss at the Washington Redskins.
“I’ll have to follow up with him,” Reid said after the game. “It sure does seem like he’s being blackballed. I think all the stats prove that he’s an NFL-worthy quarterback. So that’s his choice and I support his decision. We’ll just have to see what comes of it.”
The NFL players’ union said it would support the grievance, which was filed through the arbitration system that’s part of the league’s collective bargaining agreement.
“Colin Kaepernick’s goal has always been, and remains, to simply be treated fairly by the league he performed at the highest level for and to return to the football playing field,” Geragos said.
Kaepernick files grievance against NFL | Football | Sports | Toronto Sun

 

[EagleSmack]

Kaepernick opted out of his contract with the 49ers at the end of last season and remains a free agent despite a rash of injuries and poor play at the quarterback position.

That should be the end of the story.

 

[Mowich]

That should be the end of the story.

There were murmurs of interest by some CFL teams at one point this season but they died down pretty quickly for which I am very thankful. He would have been the third questionable candidate for placement in our league, IMO. Each of them coming as they were with a fair load of baggage. I get that some would say that they would have a chance to reform their behavior and rejuvenate their athletic abilities in our league - but we are a football league, not a rehabilitation center. We have enough problem guys here already without importing more.

 

[pgs]

There were murmurs of interest by some CFL teams at one point this season but they died down pretty quickly for which I am very thankful. He would have been the third questionable candidate for placement in our league, IMO. Each of them coming as they were with a fair load of baggage. I get that some would say that they would have a chance to reform their behavior and rejuvenate their athletic abilities in our league - but we are a football league, not a rehabilitation center. We have enough problem guys here already without importing more.

Well actually I think his skill set is perfect for the CFL . He wants the big bucks from the NFL though . If he would shut up for awhile the law of attrition might work in his favor . Rogers is out for the season in Green Bay , Cleveland is on their fourth starter this season and he doesn't look so sharp . The Broncos need help .

 

[DaSleeper]

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