Whiny NFL QB won't stand for National Anthem

Twila

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I don't hear anybody whining about the demise of Ray Rice's career. All he did was slug his girlfriend, who forgave him, said that she contributed to the altercation, and married him. He also did his thing in private, not deliberately shoving his opinions in the audience's face.

So why is it right to shun Ray Rice, and wrong to shun Kap?

uhm because one if about standing up for what they believe in and the other is domestic abuse/violence?

If Ray Rice was drowning, I'd probably offer him a glass of water. But that's probably about it...well maybe I'd spit in it first...hard to say.
 

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uhm because one if about standing up for what they believe in and the other is domestic abuse/violence?

If Ray Rice was drowning, I'd probably offer him a glass of water. But that's probably about it...well maybe I'd spit in it first...hard to say.
Precisely. You're glad his career ended because you find what he did reprehensible, and the fact that the victim forgave him and went on to make a life with him has no effect on you.

Well, some people find Kap's actions reprehensible, and the fact that he does charity work has no effect on them.

That's my whole point. Entertainers who make themselves unpopular pay a price.
 

Twila

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Precisely. You're glad his career ended because you find what he did reprehensible, and the fact that the victim forgave him and went on to make a life with him has no effect on you.

Well, some people find Kap's actions reprehensible, and the fact that he does charity work has no effect on them.

That's my whole point. Entertainers who make themselves unpopular pay a price.

ah! But sometimes they end up getting paid big time for standing up.

and then as they say "no good deed goes unpunished"
 

Tecumsehsbones

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ah! But sometimes they end up getting paid big time for standing up.

and then as they say "no good deed goes unpunished"
Fine by me. I ain't getting all self-righteous about it. I don't give a hoot what Kap does. I won't have any problem if another team gives him a shot, or if nobody does.

He doesn't have a "right" to a multi-million dollar payday.
 

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Do they play the Canadian Anthem at CFL games?

This is a trick question..............right?

The CFL got on top of this quickly last year and announced that any similar shenanigans would not be in the best interests of persons indulging in such. I guess it worked cause there was nary of whiff of dissension.

uhm because one if about standing up for what they believe in and the other is domestic abuse/violence?

If Ray Rice was drowning, I'd probably offer him a glass of water. But that's probably about it...well maybe I'd spit in it first...hard to say.

Ummm...........he decided to use a sporting event wherein people just like me paid good money to watch a football game - not to be subjected to the spectacle of a player thumbing his nose at his country. He had many other ways to stand up for his beliefs but chose to forgo them.
 

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He made his choices. I really don't care if he plays again myself. If he was really good, he would have a job. But you can't be a distraction when you are signed as the backup QB.
 

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I do not stand for any national anthem and surely wouldn't rise (or kneel) for Lizzie or her kin (of which I am one distantly). I don't make it a big issue, it's a personal choice. Others can stand or not as they choose, not my business if they want to worship a song or a colourful rag or another human.

If you don't like the national anthem it means you don't like the country because the anthem depicts the values of the country.
Only a loser would stay in a country they don't like.
 

Highball

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He won't have to worry about that anymore. His next challenge will be where will his next pay check come from?
 

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Hopefully he's smart enough to get it in a country where he supports that country's values and will put his shoulder to the wheel to show his support of it.

Nobody wants a whining loser
 

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Man, fukk America and its phony patriotism and blood stained rag they call a flag. It is a war mongering, genocidal, thieving corporate monster that is plundering the planet and murdering millions of people everywhere they set foot. And Canada is its bum boy.

 

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If you don't like the national anthem it means you don't like the country because the anthem depicts the values of the country.
Only a loser would stay in a country they don't like.
So is it fair to say you like Canada, Trudeau, and every detail of Canadian life and governance?
 

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Man, fukk America and its phony patriotism and blood stained rag they call a flag. It is a war mongering, genocidal, thieving corporate monster that is plundering the planet and murdering millions of people everywhere they set foot. And Canada is its bum boy.

I think you would have a much more comfortable and meaningful existence if you lived in a border free area . Canada and N.America seem to be causing you extreme stress . I suggest N.Korea or perhaps the muddled east .
 

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Colin Kaepernick is a great progressive who is being oppressed and blackballed by the NFL for this legitimate political views. Racist Americans have boycotted the NFL over his taking a knee instead of standing for a national anthem that was written in the days of slavery.

Instead of celebrating Independence Day, he took a pilgrimage to Africa on a journey of self-discovery to find his own form of independence. He is the Malcolm X and Martin Luther King of our times. He is not afraid to point out how evil and racist that America is.

"What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence?" - Frederick Douglass. In a quest to find my personal independence, I had to find out where my ancestors came from. I set out tracing my African ancestral roots, and it lead me to Ghana. Upon finding out this information, I wanted to visit the sites responsible for myself (and many other Black folks in the African Diaspora) for being forced into the hells of the middle passage. I wanted to see a fraction of what they saw before reaching the point of no return. I spent time with the/my Ghanaian people, from visiting the local hospital in Keta and the village of Atito, to eating banku in the homes of local friends, and paying my respects to Kwame Nkrumah's Memorial Park. I felt their love, and truly I hope that they felt mine in return.

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So is it fair to say you like Canada, Trudeau, and every detail of Canadian life and governance?

Canada is much more than lil potato. A lot more.

Whiny boy has every right to protest.
Thing is, he is so entitled, he has no idea about the billions of people who don't have the right.
And the team has every right to dump his contract because of him being a whiny little bitch.
And the other teams have every right not to hire him because he is an entitled whiny little bitch.

Lots cheered about the far right guys getting doxxed and losing jobs/university spots;
this is exactly the same.
 

tay

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Seattle Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett said the conversation about anthem protests would change if white players became part of the movement.

It would take a white player to really get things changed," Bennett said Wednesday on ESPN's SC6, "because when somebody from the other side understands and they step up and they speak up about it ... it would change the whole conversation. Because when you bring somebody who doesn't have to be a part of [the] conversation making himself vulnerable in front of it, I think when that happens, things will really take a jump."

Bennett said he had been thinking all summer about sitting for the anthem, but he made the decision to do so for Sunday's preseason game over the weekend, following the events in Charlottesville, Virginia. He said he plans on sitting for the anthem for the entire season and that he wanted to use his platform as an athlete to promote equality.

"Over the weekend, so much violence, so much hate," Bennett said. "I just wanted to remember why we were American citizens, remember the freedom, the liberty and the equality, make sure we never forget that. I really wanted to honor that, the founding principles of what we're all supposed to be. Charlottesville was so crazy, so much going on in the world now, it just made sense."

Bennett said some players were scared off by the experience of quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who began the movement last season and is now without a job in football.

"He had to sacrifice. He spoke up and dealt with a lot of things that were going on -- from death threats, people not wanting him in the stadium, people hating him," Bennett said. "I think a lot of players were scared of that. Then on top of that, players feeling like he was being blackballed, people were eventually scared.

"But now, just because he's out of the league, we didn't want to lose that message, pushing for liberty and equality for everybody. We just wanted to keep that message alive."

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Michael Bennett of Seattle Seahawks says involvement of white players would help anthem protests