Whiny NFL QB won't stand for National Anthem

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I heard a supporter of Kaepernick on tv railing about all the things wrong with America. I think those fellows have a misguided understanding of what the National Anthem is about.

The situations with the police, poverty, political indiscretions, etc. are social and political issues. That is what elected Governors and Senators are for - to complain to. That would be the proper way to address one's concerns, not by protesting in such a dumb way as refusing to stand for the National Anthem.

Why do people stand for the National Anthem? It was my understanding that we stand because we identify ourselves as people of that nation and that we are loyal to our nation.
To refuse to identify one's nationality and loyalty to the nation of your citizenship is cowardly, ineffective and silly, imo.

Such a means of protesting will not change anything. It will only divide the country further into those who support the protest and those who do not.
If people want change why the hell don't they go through the proper channels? A caper like this just looks like a play for attention.


I think the whole thing would have been better ignored; not made into a major media issue for days and days. The guy has a right to do what he's doing, futile as it is and damaging to his career and reputation. It seems that there much more important issues to talk about and fight over than the National Anthem!

Just how naive are you? Do you really think the elected care about a black kid in poverty in the inner city somewhere? Do you actually believe that kid and his mom or dad can just call up a senator and go have a discussion on the systematic racism in the US? This guy has a major platform that millions of people see and he has brought an issue that is usually ignored into the spotlight where millions of people are now talking about it. You may not like his method but it gets a lot more results than a million poverty stricken people calling their congressmen.

Personally I don't believe in all the nationalistic bullsh^t that divides us. I don't stand up for any national anthem. Patriotism makes people blind and do stupid sh^t like going half way round the world to kill or be killed. Start celebrating the human race instead of some imaginary lines segregating people.
 

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So, the US is all about individual freedom of expression and free speech, unless you decide to exercise that freedom at a sporting event.
 

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He's protesting for others, not for himself.....

You’d think conservatives would understand this, given how they’re always going on about the US Constitution and "personal liberty," but apparently they only mean that for white people.

Unnoticed in most of the media is the ultimate irony of all this: Levi's, the clothing company that bought naming rights for the 49ers' stadium, is way more unpatriotic than Kaepernick will ever be.

Even though it likes to portray itself as a salt-of-the-Earth, American company, Levis's, like most of corporate America, has taken advantage of the so-called free trade era to send most of its manufacturing jobs overseas.

Only one line of Levi's jeans, the 501 classics, is now made here in the US.

Meanwhile, the company's finance, customer relations and IT departments are now also all handled abroad, mostly in India.

The outsourcing of Levi's financial department alone cost 500 jobs.

And, according to Citizens for Tax Justice, Levi Strauss is sitting on more than $100 million overseas to avoid paying US income taxes on the money. Very patriotic!

In other words, while Kaepernick risks his career (and possibly his life) to take a stand for people who live and work here in the US, and Levi's exploits its reputation to participate in and contribute to the death of the middle class while enriching its executives and shareholders.

But you won't hear anything about that from Republicans.

They've been on Levi's side all along.

They've supported so-called free trade deal after so-called free trade deal, all while talking tough about God, country and the flag.

For conservatives, patriotism is just a slogan, and their crocodile tears about Kaepernick prove it.

Colin Kaepernick Isn't Unpatriotic, Levi's Is


The fault is not with Levis.

We all know that Corporations are fundamentally amoral, and care nothing about employees. In fact most of their foreign workers likely work in sweatshops at subsistence wages. By laying off their American workers they can bring back product made at fraction of the cost, without a tariff penalty.. and sell it at the same prices as they would with U.S. product without dealing with unions, benefits, pensions, safe working conditions, environmental regulation, American taxes.

Don't blame Levis.. blame the U.S. Government of the last 40 years, from Nixon to Obama for their Free Trade Agreements. Hence the insurrection you see in the American electorate, which has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter.

Colin Kaepernick has now been benched for poor performance. So he'll be sitting through the entire game instead of just the national anthem. The chances of the 49ers, or anyone else, picking up the $40 million option remaining on his contract at the end of the year.. well what's your guess. The net effect of the spectacle.. just about zero i suspect.
 
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So, the US is all about individual freedom of expression and free speech, unless you decide to exercise that freedom at a sporting event.

Free speech is alive at sporting events. Just go to one and listen to the crowd. It is just not available to the participants or any public figures with a platform to get a message to the masses.
 

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Whiny bunch of brain dead sheeple getting all whiny about somebody not standing up for a bad tune and a coloured rag. The puppet masters say ya gotta be outraged so y'all jump up and down yellin' crap the media told ya to say. Unfreaking believable. Y'all should take a handful of Valium.
 

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Whiny bunch of brain dead sheeple getting all whiny about somebody not standing up for a bad tune and a coloured rag. The puppet masters say ya gotta be outraged so y'all jump up and down yellin' crap the media told ya to say. Unfreaking believable. Y'all should take a handful of Valium.

That painted piece of cloth stands for freedom now stand up and respect it like you're told to. LOL
 

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If they were threatening Federal agents with semi-auto rifles, the Old Stock Canadians and Real Americans would be cheering.

If the players were white, that is.
 

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Refusing to stand for the national anthem is misplaced protesting. One can still respect his national identity and at the same time protest against the governmental policies.


Take a look around the world. In some countries, you would be executed for not standing. FGS, a man was killed in N Korea for going to sleep during a speech!



The national anthem symbolized the United States of America. That is the country that gave the freedom to stand or to not stand for the national anthem. So why blame the country as a whole for its management policies?


There are more productive and efficient ways to protest governmental policies, like confronting your congressman, writing letters, even public protest marches and petitions. Refusing to stand for the national anthem only serves to divide the country further than it already is divided.


One has to wonder if the main point of this nonsensical 'protest' is to get the publicity? If the media would stop flogging it, it would probably die down and go away.
 

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this celebritard whorage is as stupid as kramer's crack at a protest.

 

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Refusing to stand for the national anthem is misplaced protesting. One can still respect his national identity and at the same time protest against the governmental policies.


Take a look around the world. In some countries, you would be executed for not standing. FGS, a man was killed in N Korea for going to sleep during a speech!



Your argument is that you shouldn't disrespect the anthem, because in some countries without freedom, they'll execute you for disrespecting the anthem?


Does that make any sense to you?
 

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Refusing to stand for the national anthem is misplaced protesting. One can still respect his national identity and at the same time protest against the governmental policies.


Take a look around the world. In some countries, you would be executed for not standing. FGS, a man was killed in N Korea for going to sleep during a speech!



The national anthem symbolized the United States of America. That is the country that gave the freedom to stand or to not stand for the national anthem. So why blame the country as a whole for its management policies?


There are more productive and efficient ways to protest governmental policies, like confronting your congressman, writing letters, even public protest marches and petitions. Refusing to stand for the national anthem only serves to divide the country further than it already is divided.


One has to wonder if the main point of this nonsensical 'protest' is to get the publicity? If the media would stop flogging it, it would probably die down and go away.
So. . . you're saying it's wrong to exercise the freedom you've been given?

And you confront a congressperson in this country, you're likely to end up dead.
 

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’South Park’ mocks anthem controversy in season premiere
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:02 AM EDT | Updated: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:22 AM EDT
LOS ANGELES — “South Park” has taken on the controversy over San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick’s national anthem protest.
Wednesday night’s premiere episode of the Comedy Central cartoon’s 20th season focused on a protest of the anthem by elementary school children. It also featured a reboot of a version of the song by director J.J. Abrams, who successfully restarted the “Star Wars” and “Star Trek” franchises.
The episode ends with Abrams’ version being played at a 49ers game. The song was preceded by an announcement asking everyone to “rise, or sit, or take a knee to honour America.”
“South Park,” which is known for quickly satirizing controversial issues, also has its Mr. Garrison character running for president, taking on the persona of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.
South Park.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-zJL9JuOLQ
’South Park’ mocks anthem controversy in season premiere | TV | Entertainment |
 

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Navy investigates sailor who didn’t salute national anthem
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First posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:44 AM EDT
HONOLULU — The Navy has investigated the case of a sailor who didn’t salute as the national anthem played during a recent morning flag-raising at Pearl Harbor.
U.S. Pacific Fleet spokesman Senior Chief Petty Officer Joel Cesar said Tuesday it’s up to the sailor’s commander whether she faces any punishment for not saluting on Sept. 19.
The sailor is Petty Officer 2nd Class Janaye Ervin, an intelligence specialist in the Navy Reserve. She was recently in Hawaii for about two weeks for an exercise.
Erwin is assigned to the Navy Operational Support Center at North Island, California. The command didn’t immediately return a call seeking comment. Erwin didn’t respond to a message sent to a Facebook account in her name. A phone number for her was not listed.
The sailor’s failure to salute comes after San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick received national attention when he refused to stand for the anthem before NFL preseason games earlier this year. He cited racial injustice and police brutality among the reasons for his actions.
Since then, other athletes all over the U.S. have engaged in their own protests during the anthem.
The Navy’s protocol handbook says sailors in uniform must salute during the anthem. They must also face the flag, or if a flag is not visible, sailors are required to face the direction of the music.
(Janaye Ervin/Facebook)

Navy investigates sailor who didn’t salute national anthem | World | News | Toro