What would YOU want to hear at church?
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I kind'a like Herne the Hunter, but if we're talking just Nordic gods... gotta be Fenris. But then I'm wolf-biased.
What about Tiw? Took the form of a wolf and got caught in a trap. Had to gnaw off his leg. Of course, that's Tiw'sDay's GOD.
Yah, those Nords are the chosen people when it comes to weekday gods.
Yah, those Nords are the chosen people when it comes to weekday gods.
As I said earlier in this thread, the letters to the Corinthians were sent at a time when hundreds of eye-witnesses of the risen Christ were still living in Jerusalem, and the residents of Corinth were in a position to visit them and question them. This letter, though it were scathing against their sin problems, remained alive in that church, for its verifiable truth, and became part of the canon of holy scripture.
You can't claim that sort of historical evidence for most other historically accepted events, such as various battles of Alexander the Great, which you aren't here challenging.
More to the point, you don't want to hear that Christ is risen. For if He is, then there are serious implications on what you have chosen to believe -- what you want to believe.
You know that I could pull a hundred contemporary "experts" equivalent to your ex-baptist who wrote a book. That's what I'm talking about, and I'm saying there's no point, because it would be your contemporary authors against mine. Fact is, there's a war going on here. Those opposed to God are writing books about it. Surprise? No. Those in favor of God are writing books about it. Surprise? No.
You are determined to oppose God and I am determined to honor God -- this is the fundamental reason the debate cannot resolve unless God intervenes. There's nothing I can do here except say what I believe is true; same goes for you. I would be arrogant (and mistaken) to believe I could convert you, and I'm pretty sure you're well aware you can't convert me either. So, there's something we could agree on. I'm sure we can also agree that we both had our position aligned long before this conversation started.
Perhaps the ultimate irritation for you and others is that such a man as me can be so stubborn in clinging to this Christ, announcing him as the Son of God and the authority over all the world. I'm a relentless slave of Christ, and that bothers you.
It's an oxymoron only if it is also an oxymoron for the ear to provide evidence that the tongue cannot. In other words, it's only an apparent oxymoron to you, because you are confounded. Jesus said: "Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: “‘“You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.”"
That's just it. I insist on drinking from the source I've come to love, and you insist on drinking from the sources you love. See, you aren't "paying much attention" to what I'm saying either. To be precise, you speak one language, I speak another, and we're having a conversation with a mutual understanding that the other party appears incompetent.
The native language of human beings is the language of Satan -- the language of lies and sophistication. Once a man is born again, not by his worthiness but by God's mercy, he begins to learn a new language. His former friends begin to sound like lunatics to him, but to them it is he who begins to sound like a lunatic. I'm not making this up. It's well documented in the Bible, but also in the personal testimony of a legion of Christian warriors.
You think we use the Bible to prove things? Certainly, for we have come to trust it. But it first proved itself true by everything we ever observed in our lives and in the world around us. We understand all things through the Bible. It is more relevant than the "news" on TV, which is more like "same old," because it's more of the same garbage and nonsense that the Bible already predicted long ago. I find more relevance for today in the ancient book of Ezekiel than I do on CNN or CBC.
Do you honestly expect the spiritually-discerned man to make sense to the carnal man? Conversely, shall the carnal man sound wise to the spiritually-discerned? It's not possible. You belong to your father, whose I once was.
My prayer remains that you are mercifully plucked out of the hand of the prince of this world. In that case, you would become my family member, and we would have all things in common, as I have with my brothers and sisters. Every gender, every ethnicity, every personality, every age bracket -- we are all united in Christ. But the pagans fuss about a solution to gender discrimination, to racism, or to environmental preservation -- How petty and underdeveloped! Our Lord has resolved all of these problems. But you turn your backs, you despise Him, for He makes a claim over your entire life. You'd rather spend an eternity shouting blasphemies than bend the knee for just one hour to the One who is worthy.
Having Christ in common, the children of God thus have all things in common, including the language we speak. Worldly family is a metaphor of Christ's kingdom, in which we are united in glory and in the wonder of the Man who saved the world.
But you're not at all working with your own interpretation... as with the others. The Biblical Christian is the only one who has an interpretation. Others operate in a vacuum that transcends personal interpretation -- they are not bound by the human mind or the human condition -- they have a universal and absolute interpretation on all things.
I'm being sarcastic. Look, I'm not going to deny that I'm a mere human and that I observe all things via my own interpretation.
Just try to stay on topic and discuss these things with me, without going into rants about the obvious nature of individual points of view and interpretations. Every debate is subject to these things. Please just deal with the content of the discussion.
He sure is scary. Does that preclude His existence? Does every position need to be warm and fuzzy to be believable in the 21st century?
But lest I have formerly neglected -- this dreadful God has provided a great High Priest who ever intercedes for those who love him, for those called according to His purpose.
So, He doesn't need to be scary. Savvy?
So, everything in the Bible is truth? Everything?
So you would give your daughter to her rapist, if she was ever raped? You'd stone people? You'd sell children, keep slaves?
Yeah... your "family" is oh so loving to people. The "pagans" fuss about gender discrimination and racism because they are harmful things. Are you saying they don't matter? Are you saying preserving our environment doesn't matter? I would think that at LEAST would matter to you, as this is the world that God gave us and we're making a bloody mess of it. Petty and underdeveloped? How about being concerned with that which was gifted to us?
The Lord hasn't resolved anything, or have you taken a look at the species list for those who have died out or are dying out, for habitats that are shrinking, or the poisons in the water, the earth, the air? If your Lord has already solved these problems, I'd say that he's done a pretty pisspoor job of it.
And why should I bend knee to anyone, especially a murdering, sadistic God like yours? If I need to "bend knee", it'll be to someone worthy.
No, not every position needs to be warm and fuzzy. The problem is there are Christians out there who claim that your God is a loving God and then there's people like you who call him Terrible or Scary or what have you. If people have an objection to other people, or themselves, serving under a dictator, why shouldn't they have issues serving... under a Dictator God? Because if we don't he'll send us to hell? But we're going anyway. Because he loves us? Loves us enough to condemn us for being who we are or making mistakes?
Not a God I want to follow.
And I don't need a High Priest, or any priest at all, to come between me and God. If God has an issue with me, God should take it up with me. If I want to talk to God, I will. After all, isn't God supposed to be always there, always listening? Or, wait, is he too busy beating down the sinners to worry about our problems?
Congrats on having a God you love to worship. Happy for you. But why can't you be happy for me for having a God to worship? They may not be the same but, in the end it's still God, I just choose to think of God as less sadistic than yours.
So why do you bother with the posting on the Christian threads, if you have such dislike for the Bin\ble shouldn't you be spending your time doing something that brings you some small amount of fun rather than what you posted.
For you brother MHz, the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation myth, upon which Genesis was based,
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That is because the belief system he follows requires a person to give up all responsibility to the physical world. He believes the physical (carnal) world is ruled by Satan and therefore must be destroyed and remade in the image of the believers. That is why the rich love fundamental Christians because raping and pillaging the planet is their sacred duty, as is extincting as many of the species of the physical world as possible in the name of god. The Lord is not going to fix the mess we made, he is going to destroy it and recreate paradise for his automatonic slaves... er... followers.
People don't hate Christianity, they hate the "my beliefs are superior to everybody else's and you are all going to suffer for not heeding my advise" putzes like adopted. He tries to make it sound like he is humble when nothing could be farther from the truth. He is an elitist with a far superior understanding of reality, when in fact all he understands is a horror fairy tale. Fundamentalist are fundamentally wrong on so many levels it is truly frightening. Their self righteous arrogance makes them dangerous to all life on earth because they are just as crazy as the fundamentalists of any other religion.
Why are you promoting OT things? Why not reject the Bible based on the NT teachings
Why are you expecting God to do something before He has said He will do. If you don't get the new earth conditions to live in then God is unfair to you? Little demanding isn't it?
To somebody who will hold a sword over your head? Or are you the most powerful in the land?
Why cling to something the Bible doesn't promote as a way to reject the Bible? Do you plan on carrying a sword to help kill 1/3 of mankind? What would you do with them and what would you do to someone who has a sword raised against you?
Don't expect any answers if you don't follow the sequence He gave you when you feel like 'chatting'. You have to approach Him, if you wait for it to be the other way around you may not like the timing of that encounter.
If you choose to judge God by the middle of the book then what kind of God is running the last two chapters of Revelation?
Couldn't get him to put in a personal appearance?
The Jewish concept of Satan is much different from the Christian; for Jews, he is an agent of YWH.
SATAN - JewishEncyclopedia.com
SATAN - JewishEncyclopedia.com
Well since most Christians that I've ever heard speak use both when it pleases them and if they can, why can't I? But wait, didn't Jesus make the OT go away? So why do Christians to use OT teachings for excuses for their hate? If the OT didn't matter, why even put it in the Bible to begin with? I think the whole OT vs. NT is a cop out myself and both are used as the person sees fit.
I think maybe you should read WHY I made the post I did, as in read adopted's quote. "But the pagans fuss about a solution to gender discrimination, to racism, or to environmental preservation -- How petty and underdeveloped! Our Lord has resolved all of these problems." I was pointing out that his Lord hasn't solved jack. And if the Lord is purposefully letting our world go to hell in a handbasket, then again, that's a sadistic God you've got there when there's no care for the lives of his "followers".
I don't know what I'd do with someone holding a sword over my head; depends on what they plan to do with it and why. As it is, again, I'll "Bend knee" to someone worthy, not a sadist. But I guess I should amend that a little: if bending knee would save someone's life, then yes, perhaps I would bend knee to the sadist. But in all honesty, I can't say what I'd do exactly if someone held a sword to me. Since I doubt your version of God gives two rat's behinds about me, I'm not gonna worry 'bout it.
Don't honestly see what you're getting at here. What am I clinging to that the Bible doesn't promote? I reject the Bible because it was written by Man not God. Even if it was God inspired, it's been toyed with by man after the original writings, making that message worthless. That's why I reject the Bible. And what's your fascination with swords, anyway? Not that I mind, like them myself but really what's your point?
Actually, seeing as I don't follow your version of God, I don't have to worry. As it is, I've had some discussions with my Creator over the past few years to help deal with some problems and it's greatly helped. Which in the end, is the point to even talk to God, isn't it? I even have more faith now than I did before, because of things happening recently that I asked help with, and that help came. And I'm sure that the Creator knows my thanks and how deep it goes.
Don't know and don't really care because Revelation is a boogy-man story to scare people into being good little sheeple and do what they're told and they'll get into heaven where it's rainbows and candy and everything's oh so much better! Yes, that's sarcasm.
Again, you have your faith in your God and that's great. Why can't I be allowed to have my faith in my God and be in peace? Why do I have to put up with "you're going to hell" or "It's not Jesus and so it's not God" and so on and so forth? I'm not preaching to you to have faith in my God.
Not quite. I think the source you're drinking from is dry, there's nothing there and you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise. It all comes from inside your own head, mostly the right side of it, not any external agent. I don't deny the reality of your religious experiences, obviously something's happening to you, but I believe you've misinterpreted them due to the many well understood ways neuroscience has found by which human cognition and perception can be easily led astray. Confirmation bias, wishful thinking, selective thinking, confabulation, apophenia, pareidolia, and dozens of others, but the key lesson is that memory and perception cannot be trusted without safeguards against those kinds of errors. That's what the methods of science and critical thinking are about, and they're the only reliable way we've ever found for testing the truth content of claims. Religious claims don't pass the tests.
Remember the KISS doctrine: Keep It Simple, Stupid....
Churchies only complicated it so they could profit from their admission fees.
Churchies only complicated it so they could profit from their admission fees.
Of course those things matter. I said Christ is the solution to all those problems, and more. You're complaining about the state of things, but remain among the ranks of those who reject the solution, the medication -- the Savior.
If you were charged an admission fee, you went to the wrong church.