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What was the fight between God and Satan about?
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Over the years he's been banned from several religious forums, he doesn't realise that he's really only good for a laugh here ;-)
Well I think Andem is going to have to change the cologne- That is what is attracting them.
B S.
We are equal under the law, or so the rich tell us as they buy justice, but that is where equality ends.
If you are higher and do not step up then you are not doing the natural thing and allowing for the survival of the fittest.
As to the theme of your post, look above and see what the majority are doing.
Regards
DL
That's what the French do.
Never mind a battle between God and Satan.
My hero, the comedy genius that is the GREAT Karl Pilkington, once saw an even more epic battle....
An epic battle witnessed by Karl Pilkington - YouTube
Frenchie: I have finally regained consciousness (i passed out after having read your post several times) and will now attempt to answer your questions.
What was the fight between God and Satan about? Well, all I can provide here is that if we rely on our human reason and speculation, we can afford no answer. According to scripture, (and I know some will not allow scripture as evidence) there was a altercation amongst the heavenly hosts prior to creation of earth and its inhabitants. Some of those hosts chose God and others joined Satan.
Was Adam's sin a necessary and a happy fault as the Exsultet hymn says? No, indeed God would then be the author of sin. Stay in your seats, don't go wild yet with questions like: "Well if God were truly God, and a Good God, he would not have allowed sin and he would end all suffering now." Let's instead stick with the reality at hand. There are jerks in the world as well as suffering. Good old Adam and Eve were born with a free will. They chose to sin (disobey God's rule). Now, we are warped. Yeah, I know. Some really can not stand to hear that explanation. Anyway, certainly Adam's sin was NOT necessary. He could have chose to "obey". Don't go wild here either. Some will fill their minds with, "well, who is God that we have to obey him???". Sheesh - if he is GOD, and created us, should we not respect his office? See, how we like to rebel? Then we have good old Satan impelling us to join him in his revolt against God.
That's all I got. Not much. Just a suggestion to not rely on human reason. Ponder the thought that other beings have different operating systems. Embrace diversity. God and His heavenly hosts think and act differently then us humans. My junker brain does not have the capacity to process spiritual matters. However, God blesses with faith to overide the pile of junk that resides in my cranium. Yeah...don't give me the "faith is in resides in your heart not your brain speech"..... I know. I know. I just don't get into all that sappy jazz. Ah. don't mean to offend anyone with that last wisecrack of mine. So, I will give an uplifting poem in closing. For my soul would stink
If only with my brain I think
Rather my heart is assunder
with emotion and plunder
Hmmm. I think I finally unearthed a talent. Hemmingway has nothing on me.
What was the fight between God and Satan about? Well, all I can provide here is that if we rely on our human reason and speculation, we can afford no answer. According to scripture, (and I know some will not allow scripture as evidence) there was a altercation amongst the heavenly hosts prior to creation of earth and its inhabitants. Some of those hosts chose God and others joined Satan.
Was Adam's sin a necessary and a happy fault as the Exsultet hymn says? No, indeed God would then be the author of sin. Stay in your seats, don't go wild yet with questions like: "Well if God were truly God, and a Good God, he would not have allowed sin and he would end all suffering now." Let's instead stick with the reality at hand. There are jerks in the world as well as suffering. Good old Adam and Eve were born with a free will. They chose to sin (disobey God's rule). Now, we are warped. Yeah, I know. Some really can not stand to hear that explanation. Anyway, certainly Adam's sin was NOT necessary. He could have chose to "obey". Don't go wild here either. Some will fill their minds with, "well, who is God that we have to obey him???". Sheesh - if he is GOD, and created us, should we not respect his office? See, how we like to rebel? Then we have good old Satan impelling us to join him in his revolt against God.
That's all I got. Not much. Just a suggestion to not rely on human reason. Ponder the thought that other beings have different operating systems. Embrace diversity. God and His heavenly hosts think and act differently then us humans. My junker brain does not have the capacity to process spiritual matters. However, God blesses with faith to overide the pile of junk that resides in my cranium. Yeah...don't give me the "faith is in resides in your heart not your brain speech"..... I know. I know. I just don't get into all that sappy jazz. Ah. don't mean to offend anyone with that last wisecrack of mine. So, I will give an uplifting poem in closing. For my soul would stink
If only with my brain I think
Rather my heart is assunder
with emotion and plunder
Hmmm. I think I finally unearthed a talent. Hemmingway has nothing on me.
Might be helpful to start with a few facts. The serpent in Eden was not Satan, that's a later interpretation and not consistent with the history of the Hebrew scriptures. Satan makes less than a dozen appearances in the Hebrew Bible and references to him are usually accompanied by a definite article, "the Satan," which indicates a function, variously translated as opponent, adversary, slanderer, accuser, or something similar, rather than a proper name. He's a relatively innocuous character in the Old Testament, the full exposition of his nastiness doesn't occur until the final book of the New Testament, and much of the popular image of him comes from extra-Biblical sources like Paradise Lost. The religious practices and traditions of Israel's neighbours, notably the Canaanites, the Egyptians, and the Persians, had some significant influence on Satan's rise to prominence from a low level heavenly functionary in the OT to the epitome of evil in the NT. Those cultures had evil deities in their pantheon, the Canaanite Mot who lives in what sounds a lot like Milton's Hell, the evil Egyptian Set, and the Persian demon Ahriman, locked in a perpetual struggle with the god of light, Ahura Mazda. The Greek and Roman pantheons also figure in the development of Satan, as do the political events of Hebrew and early Christian times, notably the domination of Palestine by foreign empires and the repression of "true believers." It's a long and complex story, you could write a book about it. In fact some people have. A good one is The Birth of Satan: Tracing the Devil's Biblical Roots, by T.J. Wray and Gregory Mobley, from which I culled this information.
Satan is the God of this Earth. It's her turf.
Only a female god can work in the Mater (matter) and give you material things.
Cor. 2 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
In Matthew 4 1-11 She tempts Jesus with sex and nothing but material things and he flatly rejects it. The sex part come from turning the stone into bread. Keeping the bread theme being Jesus her egg is the stone. Why the stone? Everything that is material comes from rocks and minerals. She wanted his kid.
Matthew 4 1-11 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
CAUTION- SEXUAL INNUENDOS
3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”
CAUTION- SEXUAL INNUENDOS
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”
11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
P.S. God The Father is the Pater (paternal) who is energy in the purest form of all energy wavelengths combined.
Only a female god can work in the Mater (matter) and give you material things.
Cor. 2 4:4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
In Matthew 4 1-11 She tempts Jesus with sex and nothing but material things and he flatly rejects it. The sex part come from turning the stone into bread. Keeping the bread theme being Jesus her egg is the stone. Why the stone? Everything that is material comes from rocks and minerals. She wanted his kid.
Matthew 4 1-11 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
CAUTION- SEXUAL INNUENDOS
3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”
CAUTION- SEXUAL INNUENDOS
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”
11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
P.S. God The Father is the Pater (paternal) who is energy in the purest form of all energy wavelengths combined.
Nobody is equal in the eyes of the law or you wouldn't have rich thieves getting golden parachutes and poor ones getting incarcerated. In the eyes of God, one is as insignificant as the other
Dexter: We can't start with facts - there are none. Fact requires empirical data, yes?
I would never refer to Satan as an inocuous character. He, I m sure, enjoys others thinking that of him. Ahh. He's just a devil, big whip. Yikes. Danger Danger.
Petros: You can short circuit Scripture with the best of them. Wondering if you have been hanging out with the Mayor of Toronto.
Lone Wolf, you said, "In the eyes of God, one is as insignificant as the other..." This is not so. Rather, You are significant in the eyes of God. Don't let the injustices and shennanigans of this world blind you to God's concern for you. I bet he'd like to make you a sandwich and bless you.
I would never refer to Satan as an inocuous character. He, I m sure, enjoys others thinking that of him. Ahh. He's just a devil, big whip. Yikes. Danger Danger.
Petros: You can short circuit Scripture with the best of them. Wondering if you have been hanging out with the Mayor of Toronto.
Lone Wolf, you said, "In the eyes of God, one is as insignificant as the other..." This is not so. Rather, You are significant in the eyes of God. Don't let the injustices and shennanigans of this world blind you to God's concern for you. I bet he'd like to make you a sandwich and bless you.
Thanks for the good information.
I stuck mostly to the Christian version of the fall and stayed away from the superior Jewish version of our elevation in Eden because I was wondering more about the Christian version that has God putting an evil Satan right there beside Eve.
God had to know she would be tempted and that is why the whole story sounds like God setting up man to fail.
Regards
DL
Perhaps we should try to dither out if your sexual innuendos are between Jesus and a Satan/man as the actual scriptures say or a Satan/female as depicted in the Vatican art.
What say you?
Was Jesus tempted by a gay male Satan?
I would not call that a temptation unless Jesus was gay.
As to God being the purest form of energy, would that be the androgynous God of old or the newer Christian genocidal son murdering God?
Regards
DL
Yes and we thus see that if a creator creates only insignificant things then he is himself insignificant.
Regards
DL
