What are we doing in Afghanistan

FiveParadox

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Actually, shortmanx5, public opinion at the moment opposes the decision of the Government of Canada to re-enter into discussing entry into the program — a move which, incidentally, Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition and the other opposition parties would likely unanimously oppose, anyway.
 

elevennevele

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RE: What are we doing in

Hi Mogz,

To be honest, whether your opinions are arguable or not, I have somewhat of a reluctance to debate you. I say this because I feel you need to be idealistic and maybe bias in your thinking in order to carry out the work you are doing. You need to believe in whatever the army feeds you.

Now that I realize from what podium you are speaking from, I can imagine you, like many in our arm forces, have been frustrated by the lack of funding, lack of equipment, having choppers falling out of the sky, and the overall neglect over the years. You may in fact be typical of one those frustrated soldiers I have talked to.

Let’s get something straight however. You know the rules as well as I do that a soldier is not allowed to go on a public forum and give dissenting opinions on government policy or military operations and despite you being all pro about the mission, I find you come close to crossing the line when arguing politics with civies on a public forum.

As for soldiers who may disagree with you, believe me they are there. There are soldiers who while dedicated to their duty and who do have a high sense of honour, may however see a few more shades of gray than you and do have some apprehension to the realities of how such a mission can be successfully completed. They might recognize that Afghanistan isn’t isolated from the Iraq war in that the conflict has crossed over barriers of ideology and culture. That there has become a regional aspect to the overall conflict.

The clashing of cultures has numerously reared it’s ugly head in these times. Even in the form of western cartoons.

While some people may in fact wish to break bread with you, there are others who will not make their unfriendliness readily visible. And while you may try to promote an ideology that many in Afghanistan want, that we at home want to see, there are deep cultural attitudes that have been ingrained over a deep history which will never allow your version of a political landscape to take place anytime soon.

And as I’ve stated before, any soldier who would argue the other aspects of this war simply ‘can’t’ because as a soldier they could get charged for doing so.


As of now, we’ve all heard some cabbie got shot by our troops. While he may have been some confused driver who made the mistake of getting too close, he was still an innocent person. Afghans will see the symbolism of that innocence and they will identify with him because ‘he is one of them’ regardless of the intentions of our soldiers.

That Mogz, is the complexity of this war.

While you blast civies for their concerns about the mission — while you argue against civies about what good we may be doing over there — I find it a huge hypocritical contradiction that you would then openly joke around the tragedy of this cabbie being shot.

It’s no joke however because if you lose the hearts of the people over there, things will begin to get ugly, and then it will be no joke when somebody you know ends up coming back home in a coffin. Or perhaps somebody ‘we at home’ know.

Think about it before you verbally attack the Canadians you say you defend. Don’t fault Canadians for their concerns about the mission.

The bottom-line is that we are concerned because we give a damn about your lives or any loss of life the way we see it, and I don’t see anything noble about a soldier lecturing or insulting the citizens he represents with labels for holding that concern.

After all, our national attitudes toward peace are one of the things that define us in the rest of the world.
 

FiveParadox

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I am not arguing for or against the program at the moment, shortmanx5, only offering my own (non-professional) prediction that a bit to enter the program at this time would be unsuccessful.

Personally, I have major reservations about the program; under the program proposed by the United States, the Government of Canada would be denied access to facilities built on Canadian soil without the permission of the U.S., whereas the U.S. would have the authority to access those same facilities, without the prior authorization of Canada. There were concerns during the last debate in the House of Commons on this issue that the program could, perhaps, pose a threat to the sovereignty of Canada.
 

Jay

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Re: RE: What are we doing in Afghanistan

FiveParadox said:
I am not arguing for or against the program at the moment, shortmanx5, only offering my own (non-professional) prediction that a bit to enter the program at this time would be unsuccessful.

You crack me up sometimes... :lol:
 

FiveParadox

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shortmanx5, yes, I think that Canada would be warranted in wishing to have access to facilities that would be constructed on Canadian soil; just as I am sure the United States would demand that any Canadian facility constructed on U.S. soil would be subject to American scrutiny.
 

shortmanx5

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thats diff tho it doesnt work that way. first off we wouldnt have any candian military faciliites on usa soil. there would be no benifit 2 that
 

FiveParadox

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That is why Canada rejected the ballistic missile defence program (ignoring, for a moment, the moral opposition to its concept). There were concerns that it would cause Canada to be subordinate to the United States (as you have just stated it would have), and it would have introduced the threat of the weaponization of space (something that Canada is on the record as being in opposition to).
 

TenPenny

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Re: RE: What are we doing in Afghanistan

shortmanx5 said:
o yea noraad the agreemnt we made with canada so we could use your land for radar and bases. is that the one you are talking about. it may be a joint military program, buts in the hands of the usa. canada wouldnt be calling the shots if american or canada was attacked.

I suggest you learn to read, and maybe then you could understand some things. One of my neighbors was deputy commander at Noraad.

You seem to have short man syndrome, so please, as I said, go away until you learn something. Until then, you are less than a flea on the arse of a camel.
 

cortez

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Re: RE: What are we doing in Afghanistan

Johnny Utah said:
cortez said:
what are canadian troops doing in afganistan ?
they are killing innocent taxi drivers
they are rounding up " suspects " on the basis of the flimsiest evidence and handing them over to the americans to be tortured, raped , sodomized , electrocuted, humilated etc
they are acting as the scum dog puppetes of the american- british killing hypocrisy machine etc

the mission will fail
the mission should fail

I DO NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS PERIOD
I DO NOT SUPPORT THE AFGAN FIASCO PERIOD

lets all go to war to make those LITTLE people in the military FEEL like their important

it disgusts me that my tax dollars are going to support this bullshit

but fear NOT

THE MISSION WILL FAIL

TARD say that BS to a Canadian Soldier's Face and see what happens, I dare you. :wink:

i have
they started to cry
i slapped them silly
they wimpered
and vomited
 

darkbeaver

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Re: RE: What are we doing in Afghanistan

Mogz said:
they are killing innocent taxi drivers

All could have been avoided if he read the *censored* sign.

lets all go to war to make those LITTLE people in the military FEEL like their important

War doesn't make me feel important. Knowing that you can behave like an ass, post tripe, and generally be a dick, because people like me wear the uniform, that makes me feel important. So go ahead and disrespect the men and women that defend you and your way of life, that is your right, a right we enforce.

t s me that my tax dollars are going to support this bullshit

Those tax dollars prop up your right to feel angry.

oh im soooooooo sorry was that too strong?

Maybe for FiveParadox, he'll probably cry. As for me and every other soldier, that was pusscore to say the least. It more highlighted your childishness than actually conveyed a point. Oh well, toughness just can't be taught. :)

That taxi driver may not have been able to read the sign. Your a whimp and a discrace to the uniform shithead.
 

Sassylassie

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Sticks down and on the ice lads. Everyone go take a coffie break and stop calling each other names, or I will ask for this thread to be locked. Enough rudeness.
 

FiveParadox

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Psh, forget coffee! I have my Diet Pepsi®. :)

Then again, though, there is some vanilla toffee caramel cream in the fridge ... some coffee right about now would probably be nice. :D