What are the prerequisites of a good debater?

[CDNBear]

Methinks that is a lot of bullsh*t.

I expected that.

I agree or disagree with individuals, some I agree with a lot of the time (Talloola, Countryboy and Cliffy come to mind) some I disagree with a lot of the time (MHz, Y.J. and Walter come to mind).

I think if you try rereading my post, you will find that not once did I use the words "agree" or "disagree".

"Friends" has very little to do with agreeing or disagreeing.

True, to some extent, but I have proven that the lines of friendship blur your acceptance of fact. Your actions have been and certainly continue to be partisan, based on friendships. Whether or not there is agreement or disagreement is irrelevant. The battles you pick and/or wage have been drive by bond, not fact. That is an absolute fact. Prove by myself on more then one occasion, with your own words, and the highlighting of the actions of your circle. Void of the same level of contempt you display for those not in your circle. Dismissed with the comment "He doesn't do it to me, so I don't care".

I don't look on a person badly because I disagree with them, - I don't dislike you because I think you're full of sh*t.......LOL

Of this I have no doubt. Like SJP, you dislike me, because I have time and time again, fed you your own shyte. Neither you, SJP, and VI to a much lesser extent have to ability to address said issues. You seem unable to accept certain facts. Hence my opinion of your abilities being in a sorely wanton nature.

Which bring me back to the prerequisites of a good debater. One that concede in the face of facts. I have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you and your ilk have at times been unduly critical of others, for acts you wantonly commit without accepting any culpability. Thus proving my point, a good debater must be able to concede to facts. This shows a greater intellect, a broader point of view, a much stronger maturity and the ability to think for ones self.

 

[JLM]

To: CDNBear...I can understand your contempt for stupidity, as it can be a rather irksome quality to deal with. On the other hand, I have found that "giving a little" can "get a lot" over the long haul.

I know hurling insults at people can give you that temporary "hit" of satisfaction, but many people feel hurt by those kinds of comments. Others will just tell you to take a hike, and some just ignore it. We're all kinda' unique and everyone does things a bit differently.

I guess it all depends on what YOU want to get out of a discussion on the forum. I'm only suggesting that you might get more objective participation from some if you can tone down the personal insults. If you just want to fight, then you're probably going at it the "right" (for you) way.

Just a couple of observations there...advice from me is free, and usually worth every penny. Happy New Year to you and yours!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: I think he's under the impression that EVERY opposing view is a sign of stupidity..........................:lol::lol::lol::lol:, but I love his attitude.............:lol::lol::lol:

 

[CDNBear]

To: CDNBear...I can understand your contempt for stupidity, as it can be a rather irksome quality to deal with. On the other hand, I have found that "giving a little" can "get a lot" over the long haul.

Agreed. But I must ask, how much give is enough.

Do you know the difference between stupidity and genius? Genius has its limits.

I know hurling insults at people can give you that temporary "hit" of satisfaction, but many people feel hurt by those kinds of comments. Others will just tell you to take a hike, and some just ignore it. We're all kinda' unique and everyone does things a bit differently.

Again, I agree.

I guess it all depends on what YOU want to get out of a discussion on the forum. I'm only suggesting that you might get more objective participation from some if you can tone down the personal insults. If you just want to fight, then you're probably going at it the "right" (for you) way.

I will readily admit, that sometimes i am out for a spat, plain and simple. Other times I am either provoked or find nothing more then contempt for the person with whom I am communicating, that I feel it a public service, to apply a pejorative label as eloquently or ignorantly as possible, which ever the situation may deem.

Just a couple of observations there...advice from me is free, and usually worth every penny. Happy New Year to you and yours!

To you and yours as well.

 

[JLM]

"I have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you and your ilk have at times been unduly critical of others, for acts you wantonly commit without accepting any culpability."- That is strictly your opinion to which you have every right, but doesn't detract from the fact you're full of sh*t......................LOL

"Then start thinking for yourself. From where I sit, you look like SJP's toady."-
I'm not certain but I think if you review the posts, you'll find I've disagreed with S.J. as often as I've agreed with him.

 

[CDNBear]

Ooh, sounds like a threat. I'm scared that I'll be subjected to a semi coherent blast of obscenity, sprinkled with a small dose of almost-literate commentary.

I need to change my underwear now.

I wonder if you had the same low caliber thoughts when you received positive "rep" for posts that were in opposition to my own perspectives Ten?

Or shall I pull up a list of your outbursts of same "semi coherent blast of obscenity, sprinkled with a small dose of almost-literate commentary."?

That is strictly your opinion to which you have every right, but doesn't detract from the fact you're full of sh*t......................LOL

You can make that claim, but both you and I, as well as many others, know it to be false.

I'm not certain but I think if you review the posts, you'll find I've disagreed with S.J. as often as I've agreed with him.

Again, nowhere did I attach the prerequisite of agreement. That is your addition, in an attempt to validate your position. (Now that's an opinion, you should look up what opinion and fact are)

Anyways, this conversation has degenerated into a pissing contest. It's obvious, serious discussion isn't in the considerations of ten penny or yourself. So I will bid you both a farewell.

 

[Mowich]

Again left and right are only relative terms, and many people speak in their opinion
of what left and right means, and that does not make it left or right.
The way I view the world we should be socially progressive, and at the same time
fiscally conservative, so I don't fit in with the dogma of either side.
If you cannot take the other persons ideas into consideration, progress cannot even
be contemplated, as the discussion goes round and round like a dog chasing its tail.
I often think to myself, gee I never thought of it that way before. After all in a well
balanced society, we can't always have things my way or the highway, In our workplace, our homes and in the organizations we belong to interaction requires the
art of compromise. Even in politics, the concept of left and right is a distraction it
aborts good ideas regardless of who's good ideas they are

Nicely put, DG. I agree with you. :smile:

 

[Mowich]

Back on topic - staying on topic is part of good debating skills, IMHO.

 

[VanIsle]

Nicely put, DG. I agree with you. :smile:

I don't have the time to search for DG's post but it is nice to read one that is from a mature well thinking person with manners. I agree with you regarding his post.

 

[JLM]

"What you don't get is that we all follow what you speak. It has just never occurred to you that we think you are just a loud mouth A$$hole that comes here just to cause trouble. You make a weak attempt at using a lot of legal terms to try to sound intelligent but do note that I said "try". I've never thought of you as anyone with anything intelligent to say. In fact, quite the opposite. I find your posts childish and inane."
I think there may be some validity to what you say V.I. Anyway after telling me how stupid and inane I am, he was kind enough to give me a "red rep"- I'll probably get over it in a couple of months.................LOL LOL. I've been insulted by more intelligent people than him (not that they were any more correct than him. LOL

 

[Francis2004]

I'm going to ignore your childish attempts for now.

This is prime example of stupidity.

At no point have I stated that, and I can certainly disprove it with a myriad of "green rep's" and open applause posts to those with an opposing view to my own.

Your post is as simple minded as it gets. It is a sad attempt to negate the commentary you can not refute, with an accusation formulated to make my argument baseless.

You couldn't be any further from the truth though. I gave you a prime example, you have been so kind as to provide us with another.

So why do we try an exercise in debating, and you can prove your opinion, or concede it is baseless?

You mean as in "you scratch my back with Greens and I will scratch yours in return". Yup, that's a sneaky way of doing things and I have seen it many times.. A circle of friend that purposely go around in circles giving each other Greenies.. Of course your can't control who hands them to you ( unless you PM someone and they agree ), but sure can control who you give them to right ;-).. OK so after a few to many times of giving them to a few friends you have to "choke choke" give a few to people who don't deserve them but what the hey.. It only means you can get a batch more..

We all know "Reds" only show up if you can deplete all the greens anyway.. Why not build up as many greens if that's the case.. Sure impresses the newbies right ?

Perhaps that would be why I never believed in that type of system..

It's not the Owner / Administrators that are at fault for allowing us this system.. It's those who learn how to abuse the system..

 

[Spade]

You mean as in "you scratch my back with Greens and I will scratch yours in return". Yup, that's a sneaky way of doing things and I have seen it many times.. A circle of friend that purposely go around in circles giving each other Greenies.. Of course your can't control who hands them to you ( unless you PM someone and they agree ), but sure can control who you give them to right ;-).. OK so after a few to many times of giving them to a few friends you have to "choke choke" give a few to people who don't deserve them but what the hey.. It only means you can get a batch more..

We all know "Reds" only show up if you can deplete all the greens anyway.. Why not build up as many greens if that's the case.. Sure impresses the newbies right ?

Perhaps that would be why I never believed in that type of system..

It's not the Owner / Administrators that are at fault for allowing us this system.. It's those who learn how to abuse the system..

Well put!

 

[Francis2004]

"What you don't get is that we all follow what you speak. It has just never occurred to you that we think you are just a loud mouth A$$hole that comes here just to cause trouble. You make a weak attempt at using a lot of legal terms to try to sound intelligent but do note that I said "try". I've never thought of you as anyone with anything intelligent to say. In fact, quite the opposite. I find your posts childish and inane."
I think there may be some validity to what you say V.I. Anyway after telling me how stupid and inane I am, he was kind enough to give me a "red rep"- I'll probably get over it in a couple of months.................LOL LOL. I've been insulted by more intelligent people than him (not that they were any more correct than him. LOL

Once again JLM, what is the Rep system good for other then a quick visual reference which you should already know if you are a regular here ?

How many times will it affect what you write in a debate ?

Will anyone see the bad reps ( Reds ) you have and the comment and persons associated to it ?

You are the only person who can see the comments to the reps assigned to you.. We can only see how many goods you have and would only see how many bads you have if you would cross that bad level if you would be a really bad debater..

 

[lone wolf]

Wow!... Can I have some of what you guys are on?

 

[CDNBear]

You mean as in "you scratch my back with Greens and I will scratch yours in return".

Not at all. It was an example disproving the insinuation that I find people who disagree with me, stupid. When in fact, that is patently false. Proven by those whom I have either applauded openly in the forum, or given green rep to, for posts that were in contradiction to my own point of view or perspective.

The rest of your post as were a few other posts that exude utter stupidity, weren't worth addressing.

 

[TenPenny]

The rest of your post as were a few other posts that exude utter stupidity, weren't worth addressing.

Ah, but stupidity is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps you are not the only arbiter of what is truly stupid.

It's certainly fair game to dismiss posts and posters, but your constant need to label people and posts as stupid and beneath you reveals a true inferiority complex.

 

[givpeaceachance]

Is this a thread trying to censor what and how people choose to express themselves?

 

[Tonington]

Wow!... Can I have some of what you guys are on?

Make mine a double!

 

[TenPenny]

be it resolved:

posters who wish to discuss topics should present coherent arguments in favour of their clearly stated position.

Gentlemen, you may commence.

 

[countryboy]

be it resolved:

posters who wish to discuss topics should present coherent arguments in favour of their clearly stated position.

Gentlemen, you may commence.

Ready, Fire, Aim! :lol:

 

[talloola]

I expected that.

I think if you try rereading my post, you will find that not once did I use the words "agree" or "disagree".

True, to some extent, but I have proven that the lines of friendship blur your acceptance of fact. Your actions have been and certainly continue to be partisan, based on friendships. Whether or not there is agreement or disagreement is irrelevant. The battles you pick and/or wage have been drive by bond, not fact. That is an absolute fact. Prove by myself on more then one occasion, with your own words, and the highlighting of the actions of your circle. Void of the same level of contempt you display for those not in your circle. Dismissed with the comment "He doesn't do it to me, so I don't care".

Of this I have no doubt. Like SJP, you dislike me, because I have time and time again, fed you your own shyte. Neither you, SJP, and VI to a much lesser extent have to ability to address said issues. You seem unable to accept certain facts. Hence my opinion of your abilities being in a sorely wanton nature.

Which bring me back to the prerequisites of a good debater. One that concede in the face of facts. I have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you and your ilk have at times been unduly critical of others, for acts you wantonly commit without accepting any culpability. Thus proving my point, a good debater must be able to concede to facts. This shows a greater intellect, a broader point of view, a much stronger maturity and the ability to think for ones self.

All of this crap you'r dolling out to JLM is exactly the same
as the crap you gave me some time ago. Do you have this
all printed out, and just copy it every time you are in a
sh**ty mood, or what.
Get off of your fake high horse, come down to earth, get
human, and notice your own shortcomings, no one here is
going to soak up the swill your serving.