Welfare pays more than work in most states

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Well, at least you can starve in a warm climate.
Mebbe do little fish
Make some gumbo
So long Joe, and all that.
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No need to worry bout welfare paying more than work in Canada.
just saying.
 

gore0bsessed

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Here we go... minimum wage is now a slave wage. Geez.

No... we ALL have to start somewhere. When I started my apprenticeship it was not a living wage. Meaning I could not live on my own with just that. But as I progressed I got raises and then it became a living wage. In the mean time I took an extra job to make things easier.

These days people think they are entitled to a start up wage that is a living wage... right out of the gate.

As Tony Soprano said...

"You're entitled to s***!"

And besides... if you are going into a job that you know is minimum wage then you know what kind of job it is. Bagging groceries, stocking shelves, handing people their Quarter Pounders. I don't give a bleep how much the CEO makes, those jobs are minimum wage jobs.

Yes minimum wages are wages that should be livable otherwise they are slave wages. It's stupid thinking that you "don't give a beep how much the CEO makes", because much of that money he/she makes is off the backs of the workers.
We can't demand something (in this case fast food) and crap all over the people who make it all function by treating them poorly and giving them awful poverty-level wages.
You, like many people, clearly undervalue the importance of mature fast food workers despite their obvious importance to our economies. I'm not saying they should be given 6 digit salaries, just simply livable wages.
 

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Yes minimum wages are wages that should be livable otherwise they are slave wages.

No... slaves don't get paid... that's why they are slaves.

It's stupid thinking that you "don't give a beep how much the CEO makes", because much of that money he/she makes is off the backs of the workers.
What was stupid. I got a job at BK because of the people that founded BK and subsequently ran the organization.

On a smaller scale when I was an apprentice in the trades it was the owner of the company that put up capital and made the company in which we all worked.

We can't demand something (in this case fast food) and crap all over the people who make it all function by treating them poorly and giving them awful poverty-level wages.
I wasn't treated poorly at BK, nor was I crapped on. And as time when on I got raises. Eventually I left for a better job working at a Fish Fry place, taking my experience at working with fry stations with me making more money than I did. The owners of this family owned Seafood organization made a bundle... but they were the ones that put the time in making these fish markets, restaurants, and growing to multiple locations. I did not begrudge them for being successful. They gave ME a job. I went to them asking for one.

So no... we aren't entitled to s***.

You, like many people, clearly undervalue the importance of mature fast food workers despite their obvious importance to our economies. I'm not saying they should be given 6 digit salaries, just simply livable wages.
I do not undervalue them... because I was a mature fast food worker albeit I was a teenager. I was a good employee... I got step raises, I got a bigger raise when I volunteered to open up the store on weekends. A guy that came after me eventually asked to become a manager and they sent him to manager training. He started at minimum wage as I did.

It is called hard work and perseverance.

No company needs to give pay any entry level worker anything more than what they want to pay them. You think that simply because someone wants a job they should be paid a living wage when they have not even proved themselves that they can even run a broiler (for example).
 

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No... slaves don't get paid... that's why they are slaves.
They don't get paid but are housed, fed and given free health care. Unfed, uncomfortable and unhealthy slaves don't produce, want to run and will use violence to do so.
 
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They don't get paid but are housed, fed and given free health care. Unfed, uncomfortable and unhealthy slaves don't produce, want to run and will violence to do so.

Sounds like a teenager to me.
 

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No... slaves don't get paid... that's why they are slaves.

That's odd that you think because currency is given to a person that means they aren't slaves. Even if that currency is so low that person couldn't afford even some basic necessities while the owners reap massive rewards.

What was stupid. I got a job at BK because of the people that founded BK and subsequently ran the organization.

I don't understand the point. They still need workers for that organization to continue to run and be successful, and those workers deserve livable wages for that.


On a smaller scale when I was an apprentice in the trades it was the owner of the company that put up capital and made the company in which we all worked.

Yea an apprenticeship isn't a job but training to be able to perform a particular job when finished. OF course when you get a job you get a decent, livable wage. Fast food workers also deserve this.

I wasn't treated poorly at BK, nor was I crapped on. And as time when on I got raises. Eventually I left for a better job working at a Fish Fry place, taking my experience at working with fry stations with me making more money than I did. The owners of this family owned Seafood organization made a bundle... but they were the ones that put the time in making these fish markets, restaurants, and growing to multiple locations. I did not begrudge them for being successful. They gave ME a job. I went to them asking for one.

So no... we aren't entitled to s***.

I do not undervalue them... because I was a mature fast food worker albeit I was a teenager. I was a good employee... I got step raises, I got a bigger raise when I volunteered to open up the store on weekends. A guy that came after me eventually asked to become a manager and they sent him to manager training. He started at minimum wage as I did.

None of this is relevant, I'm not discussing high school kids, who aren't in need of livable wages as they're still cared for by their parents. Also a teenager working at fast food is treated differently than an older person is. Older workers are generally better workers, as they can deal with customers better and have better experience in dealing with problem solving issues, as I said earlier. That's just one of the reasons they're valuable and deserving of a livable wage.

It is called hard work and perseverance.
How do you still believe this? lol. There is so much evidence to the contrary that working harder hardly leads to better opportunities, particularly in the third world.

No company needs to give pay any entry level worker anything more than what they want to pay them. You think that simply because someone wants a job they should be paid a living wage when they have not even proved themselves that they can even run a broiler (for example).

This isn't even true, the company has laws to follow one of which is paying at least the minimum wage. So no they can't just pay anything they want, thank god.
I don't understand why you think they need to prove themselves to be deserving of a minimum wage to be able to LIVE on. They wouldn't be hired in the first place if their credentials weren't valuable to the job. Once hired though it should be agreed that a person must have a livable wage and not be forced slave away at another job in order to feed their child. This is awful for society and we see the impacts it has, worsening health, increased numbers of depressed people etc..
 

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No... slaves don't get paid... that's why they are slaves.

Slaves often do, and did, get paid. That's not what made them slaves. What made them slaves was the fact that they were owned as chattel property.

Which also doesn't apply here, so goreobsessed is still wrong. But, technical point, I know, but I wanted to clarify that.
 

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That's odd that you think because currency is given to a person that means they aren't slaves. Even if that currency is so low that person couldn't afford even some basic necessities while the owners reap massive rewards.

I was able to afford more than basic necessities... just not a livable wage at an entry level job like flipping burgers.



I don't understand the point. They still need workers for that organization to continue to run and be successful, and those workers deserve livable wages for that.

A person that bags groceries shouldn't expect or demand a living wage. They're bagging groceries.




Yea an apprenticeship isn't a job but training to be able to perform a particular job when finished. OF course when you get a job you get a decent, livable wage. Fast food workers also deserve this.

BS an apprenticeship isn't a job. It most certainly is a job. I started as a first year apprentice... within 5 years I was a job foreman. That led me into the career I have on the management side. Are you getting a clear picture?



Hey, a fast food worker can always ask if management training is available.

I started at minimum wage and worked my way up. You want to just pay them career wages when they walk in the door. lol. that isn't happening.



None of this is relevant, I'm not discussing high school kids, who aren't in need of livable wages as they're still cared for by their parents. Also a teenager working at fast food is treated differently than an older person is. Older workers are generally better workers, as they can deal with customers better and have better experience in dealing with problem solving issues, as I said earlier. That's just one of the reasons they're valuable and deserving of a livable wage.

Just because they're older doesn't entitle them s***!

You aren't deserving of a thing until you prove yourself capable.


How do you still believe this? lol. There is so much evidence to the contrary that working harder hardly leads to better opportunities, particularly in the third world.

You got it! Work hard and work your way up the ladder from the bottom with regards to these low level jobs.

How do I believe it? Because I lived it. Before I joined the Marines I experienced it even in the food service industry in my teens. I worked hard, got raises, took my experience to another restaurant for more money.

Hey the 3rd world is the 3rd world for a reason. You want to give a front line fast food person a career wage without proving themselves. Where is the incentive to better yourself and grow?



This isn't even true, the company has laws to follow one of which is paying at least the minimum wage. So no they can't just pay anything they want, thank god.

Well ok... I should have said pay anything they want within the law. The minimum wage law is the law and it is not a livable wage. A company has every right to start someone at minimum wage if they choose to.

I don't understand why you think they need to prove themselves to be deserving of a minimum wage to be able to LIVE on.

They do. Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be a career.

They wouldn't be hired in the first place if their credentials weren't valuable to the job.

Yeah... like making a burger... but that is not a $50K a year job son.

Once hired though it should be agreed that a person must have a livable wage and not be forced slave away at another job in order to feed their child. This is awful for society and we see the impacts it has, worsening health, increased numbers of depressed people etc..

Oh please. Forced slave... give me a break.

May I ask how old you are? Are you in your 20s?
 
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You don't understand what a livable wage is, kind of difficult then to continue any more conversation.

"Livable wage' is a moving target, hence the reason that each province has their own minimums... You're welcome to raise that minimum to whatever amount you like, but don't b*tch when the numerous small businesses react via increasing prices and/or down sizing.

The irony here is that it will hurt most the very people that you are looking to accommodate.
 

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In Regina McD's and the other pay 13 beans an hour and imports permit workers from the Philippines and India. Minimum wage is $10.15

That is an extra $480 above minimum per month.

$24960 gross per year which is enough to score a mortgage.
 

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Should wages be tied to cost of living or should they be tied to what the work/service is worth?
 

captain morgan

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In Regina McD's and the other pay 13 beans an hour and imports permit workers from the Philippines and India. Minimum wage is $10.15

That is an extra $480 above minimum per month.

$24960 gross per year which is enough to score a mortgage.

Probably pay less at the Starbucks on Robson and Thurlow. Starter houses in YVR proper (from what I recall) are around $600K.

Point is; a 'livable wage' is relative to the economy in which you locate yourself.
 

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People are not abusing the system at all. If welfare pays more that a paying job the
employers are taking advantage of the system. Its time minimum wage laws were
revisited. If someone has a family, to feed clothe and house and if they go to work
requiring an added expense to do so it makes it harder to feed his kids.
What kind of a society would blame the victims? I can understand if someone just
wants to stay home and do nothing that is one thing and not a good thing, But when
wages are so low you can't afford to go to work that is an inherent problem in the
society.


Why should an employer pay more than the minimum wage for a person with no skills? I am sick and tired of people who want to "start" at $20/hour because THEY feel they deserve it while having na da, nothing for experience or skills to offer an employer.

Seriously, there are various programs available that a person can access in order to better themselves. Simply crying that you're underpaid because you feel you should be making more doesn't cut it - with me anyway. I started at the bottom and worked my way up; took night courses and, eventually, went back to school to get where I am - and I wasn't (nor am I still) rich by any stretch of the imagination. But I make a relatively good wage now and hope to do even better in the future.

JMHO
 

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Why should an employer pay more than the minimum wage for a person with no skills? I am sick and tired of people who want to "start" at $20/hour because THEY feel they deserve it while having na da, nothing for experience or skills to offer an employer.

Seriously, there are various programs available that a person can access in order to better themselves. Simply crying that you're underpaid because you feel you should be making more doesn't cut it - with me anyway. I started at the bottom and worked my way up; took night courses and, eventually, went back to school to get where I am - and I wasn't (nor am I still) rich by any stretch of the imagination. But I make a relatively good wage now and hope to do even better in the future.

JMHO

I like your reasoning and attitude!
 

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Why should an employer pay more than the minimum wage for a person with no skills? I am sick and tired of people who want to "start" at $20/hour because THEY feel they deserve it while having na da, nothing for experience or skills to offer an employer.

It's not that simple.

Should some kid in high school living at their parents make a sustainable wage for pumping out coffee or burgers from behind a counter...no. They don't have the experience and they are not there to do this job for life.

However, should someone with a learning disability who wishes to be a loyal hardworking employee be able to make a decent living pumping out coffee, mopping floors and hauling heavy pans at a fast food place...absolutely.

It's not black and white...
 

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How do you still believe this? lol. There is so much evidence to the contrary that working harder hardly leads to better opportunities,

This still has me laughing.

You don't want to work hard but still think you're owed a living wage.

Why should an employer pay more than the minimum wage for a person with no skills? I am sick and tired of people who want to "start" at $20/hour because THEY feel they deserve it while having na da, nothing for experience or skills to offer an employer.

Exactly what I was trying to say. A person with no experience thinks he should be given a living wage from the start.