Just watch me .
JIVANI: Justin Trudeau doesn't want to be fair — Toronto Sun
We are dealing with a politician who appears to feel no shameapple.news
WE really need to get rid of this guy
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Nah, I think Justin may have a slight edge on Peter Polly. He came on too strong to suit me. I'm getting further and further from party politics to the point where I don't really like any of them. Good to see you are still posting, Bones! (Some of your ideas were good)
Nah, I think Justin may have a slight edge on Peter Polly. He came on too strong to suit me. I'm getting further and further from party politics to the point where I don't really like any of them. Good to see you are still posting, Bones! (Some of your ideas were good)
It's why I've kind'a liked how the US votes for person over party for years now. (or at least, the opportunity to vote person over party). I wish we had that. Then again if we did we wouldn't have a Parliamentary system so...
Aren't the Americans pretty well limited to two choices federally?
Much as politicians hate it, we vote for our local representative, not the party they represent.
If you're in Canada, the two are one in the same, that's how the system is set up.
Of course - we the voters insist on it. We only elect people who do that. We don't reward anyone who doesn't with votes. So anyone who manages to get elected by the people is, by default, worried first and foremost about #1. If we punished that kind of thinking and voted for more selfless politicians, that's what we'd get. But we don't.
As to the party and the person being one in the same, there's some truth to that but for those who are actually active in politics you were more correct. Not only can you vote for the person, but you can have a big say in selecting the person who runs for your riding. You can also have a big say in who the national leader is.
So if you WANT to, you can absolutely step outside the party to help pick a representative that is to your liking.
(pps - spellcheck tried to edit liking to licking. Please don't lick the candidates. )
Yes one can get involved in the local constituency, however membership in a party is the only way to be heard . Membership donates commitment thus conformity . Both hinder the chance to make changes . Canada is littered with well meaning people who went into politics to make positive change . Conform or get the boot .
Yep, but it was never intended to be that way. The US Founding Fathers "Great Experiment" wasn't creating a democratic country, that had already been done, it was doing so with a one party covers-all system. They recognized the failings of party politics in Europe and were determined to try and avoid it. But of course it didn't take long for a bunch of disgruntled Democrats to form their own party, and at that point the experiment was over and ended in failure.
Trust a leftist to fuck up anything that's good.
They are both the same thing , the party of racists and KKK .
Well that's not quite true. Donors definitely get heard and you don't need to be a member to donate. And if you Do choose to be a member to get heard, then you get access to policy conventions which FREQUENTLY see votes that the party leaders didn't sanction or want. So to suggest membership is conformity simply isn't remotely accurate, and we often see the party break into two (or three) seperate groups over issues and slog it out. You definitely don't get the boot just because you don't agree with the party executive.
And that can be on single issues, or even a range of issues. Tonnes of examples out there - the "party" was very anti gay marraige when the cpc formed in 2002 and ran in 2004 and even 06 on a plan to reopen that debate, and a very vocal group stood up and said 'This is effing stupid" and forced change, and it got dropped. One example of many.
The liberal party is a lot more 'locked' in it's ways, which tends to happen to parties over time if they don't get 'reborn' once in a while. But the ndp and the CPC are both quite open to change (for better or worse) and a small group can make a big difference.
If you think otherwise - ask Erin O'toole about that.
So... Republicans and Dems have fucked things up.
Well on that, I agree with you.
But calling historical Dems "leftists" is just plain hilarious, since they were nothing at all left.