Want to Save the Whales? Stop Buying Japanese

earth_as_one

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I haven't yet called anyone an idiot-I have noted that what they posted is idiocy.Also one recommended movie was made a by a (certified) idiot.

There is a difference.

And now for your edification-these pics were taken in English Bay a 20 minute bike ride and 5 minute boat ride from my house 08/08/2008.

I wish I could say I took them but I didn't my fishing partner did my camera was @ home.Note we were in a 15.5' RIH so were literally arm's length from the Orcas at times.









I have books full of Orca and various Cetacea pics to scan and maybe one day when I retire.....

I like your pictures.
 

bill barilko

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Anna-tell us about all the Japanese electronic devices in your house.

You know-the ones Made in Japan that you're going to throw out if Japan doesn't stop eating Flipper & Co.
 

Blackleaf

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Whales are only in a bad mood because England beat them in the Six Nations Championship a few weeks ago.
 

EagleSmack

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One of the funniest reasons that I ever heard about why whales shouldn't be hunted was on the Animal Planet website in the Whale Wars forum.

"People shouldn't hunt whales because they can yell real loud under water."
 

AnnaG

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Anna-tell us about all the Japanese electronic devices in your house.
We have a few.

You know-the ones Made in Japan that you're going to throw out if Japan doesn't stop eating Flipper & Co.
None, but what does that have to do with your idea that no-one is able to get or afford Japanese electronics?

Why should Japanese electronics companies be boycotted when it isn't them that go hunting whales?
 

AnnaG

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One of the funniest reasons that I ever heard about why whales shouldn't be hunted was on the Animal Planet website in the Whale Wars forum.

"People shouldn't hunt whales because they can yell real loud under water."
lol And yelling really loud underwater scares whales?
 

Bar Sinister

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This isn't about whales, but it seems to outline the typical reaction of the Japanese when it comes to the conservation of any wildlife resource. Sometimes you just have to give these people a kick in the bum to get through to them. As I mentioned - the Japanese are very sensitive to anything that affects their welfare. Even a small drop in the profits of Japanese corporations would get their attention. The latest Toyota fiasco is a clear indication of that.

Japan says won't comply with bluefin tuna ban | Reuters
 

mt_pockets1000

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The Cove happened to be on the tube last night and I caught most of it before I nodded off. The dolphin killing is driven by the entertainment industry. In Taiji, Japan they are herding hundreds of these animals into a cove each day, selecting a few for various aquariums around the world and the rest are slaughtered for food. A dolphin selected for the aquariums can fetch up to $150,000 for the fishermen. The meat has a toxicity level so high it poses a risk to humans, yet the Japanese government refuses to acknowledge this risk and allows the meat to be sold and distributed throughout the world. I'd recommend this documentary, if only to see how greed can put pressure on a species. My faith in mankind slipped a little more after watching it. We are one nasty piece of work.
 

Praxius

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Protests against Japan's continuing violation of the international ban on whaling seem to have had little affect on Japan. The country continues to allow hunting of whales under the guise of "scientific" research. Most of the whales from these "science" expeditions seem to end up on Japanese dinner plates.

Waste not, want not.

However, there is something that the Japanese are highly sensitive to as was clearly illustrated by the head of Toyota in his pilgrimage to the US to apologize for defects in his company's products. Whaling is a very tiny part of Japan's GNP. If consumers refused to buy Japanese and let the Japanese know why they were doing it, almost certainly the Japanese would suddenly decide that these whaling "research" expeditions were no longer necessary. Such a boycott would not have to be on a large scale. Even a drop of just one percent in Japan's overseas sales would eclipse the value of all whales taken by Japan each year. Money talks and the Japanese have shown they are most adept at listening to money.

Sorry, that was the plan attempted against Canada and the Seal hunt and that didn't work.... neither will this.

And here's one big reason why it won't work:

International Whaling Commission compromise rewards Japan, say environmentalists
International Whaling Commission compromise rewards Japan, say environmentalists | News.com.au

And in Particular:

IWC moots whale hunting, strict quotas
IWC moots whale hunting, strict quotas

The International Whaling Commission has proposed allowing whales to be hunted under strict quotas.

The move would bring the world a step closer to the first legal commercial whaling in nearly 25 years.

The proposal, released late Thursday, would allow Japan, Norway and Iceland - which hunt whales under a variety of exceptions to a 1986 moratorium - to catch whales for 10 years but under strict limits set by the IWC that would reduce the overall catch.

Japan's self-imposed annual quota of 935 Antarctic minke whales, which are not endangered, would be lowered to 400 over the next five years, then reduced to 200 for the next five years.

The country's current take of 320 sei and minke whales in waters near Japan would be cut to 210.

The proposal is an attempted compromise between pro-whaling nations and opponents such as the United States and Australia.

The commission argues that allowing whaling under strict quotas would be an improvement to the current hunts, over which it has no control.......

So so much for that idea.
 

Praxius

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WTH does that have to do with anything-the fact is that this is the way humans have acted all over the planet since time immemorial-again think of the Atlantic Cod that the Canadians destroyed......

Oh wonderful, now we're getting history lessons on Atlantic Canada from someone in Vancouver. :roll:

You're aware that another big part of what happened to the Cod had to do with European vessels coming into our waters and illegally fishing behind our backs, thus screwing any means of keeping accurate track of the Cod since there was no way of knowing how much they took.... After they already cleaned out their own waters of Cod.

But somehow that's all our fault?

At least we eventually put a halt on cod fishing for a while to get them back to a decent sized population..... what did the Europeans do?

They wiped their own cod out and came for ours..... would that have been a better solution for us to take? Great pile of role models over there.

Maybe we should have wiped out the Cod in Canada and move to US waters like what the Euros did to us?

Yeah.... we're the most horrible and inconsiderate people on the planet :roll:
 
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cdn_bc_ca

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The Cove happened to be on the tube last night and I caught most of it before I nodded off. The dolphin killing is driven by the entertainment industry. In Taiji, Japan they are herding hundreds of these animals into a cove each day, selecting a few for various aquariums around the world and the rest are slaughtered for food. A dolphin selected for the aquariums can fetch up to $150,000 for the fishermen. The meat has a toxicity level so high it poses a risk to humans, yet the Japanese government refuses to acknowledge this risk and allows the meat to be sold and distributed throughout the world. I'd recommend this documentary, if only to see how greed can put pressure on a species. My faith in mankind slipped a little more after watching it. We are one nasty piece of work.

Documentaries like this are surely eye-openers. I makes you wonder what other kinds of activities are hidden from the public eye... not only in Japan but around the world.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Japan is THE major fish distributor in the world. The pressure from that country alone is having an adverse affect on fish stocks. If we lose the sustainable stocks we are surely in deep doodoo. I suppose we could come up with some reasonable facsimile in the lab, seafood tofu for example. Somehow rubber doesn't have the same consistency as real seafood, but they're working on it day and night.
 

Praxius

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Japan is THE major fish distributor in the world. The pressure from that country alone is having an adverse affect on fish stocks. If we lose the sustainable stocks we are surely in deep doodoo. I suppose we could come up with some reasonable facsimile in the lab, seafood tofu for example. Somehow rubber doesn't have the same consistency as real seafood, but they're working on it day and night.

Just send them some Pacific Pink Salmon.... that stuff's pretty cheap.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Yeah, but it 'pales' in comparison to Atlantic Salmon.

I read an article yesterday that said all the fish on the planet will be gone in 40 years. That's one way to control human population I guess.

Anyway, back on topic, SAVE THE WHALES!