Vehicle explosion closes Canada-U.S. border crossing near Niagara Falls: FBI

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Investigators believe (no names) the occupants were a New York man and his wife who had planned to attend a KISS concert in Toronto that night.

The tour’s Ottawa and Toronto dates were cancelled when vocalist Paul Stanley came down with the flu. The couple is believed to have gone to a casino on the U.S. side, with the crash occurring after that.
ok, new info means new guesses!

dude lost the farm at the casino and got suicidal?

hey, it happens!
 

Ron in Regina

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And of course the PM wanna be PP called it Terrorism from the get go. Fucking moron. Proving he is not good for a PM by instantly claiming shit like that which would send people into a freak out/panic.

Trudeau's a goddamn idiot, but PP is worse.
Sounds like a knee jerk reaction. Making assumptions before the facts are established. US media did something similar until the officials came out and said there was no valid evidence of "terrorism"

Everyone seems to be rather jumpy when such an extreme event takes place and jump to conclusions too quickly.
Took a day but I found it. The incident was initially being treated as terrorism, but officials later said they are treating it as a traffic incident.

Pierre Poilievre shot back at a reporter Thursday after being questioned about his House of Commons statement citing media reports suggesting a terrorist attack at Canada’s border.

A reporter for the Canadian Press asked the Conservative Leader if it was a responsible statement to make.

“Do you think it was responsible for you to call (Wednesday’s) explosion by the checkpoint at the Rainbow Bridge terrorism when no U.S. or Canadian officials or authorities said that was the case, and when the New York Governor also said there was no evidence to suggest terrorist activity?” The CP reporter asked.

The Opposition Leader didn’t back down from the query, pointing out the news agency had recently made three corrections to a story and the reporter had just made another falsehood.

“Where you are wrong is that CTV reported that the government of Canada was presuming the incident was terrorist,” Poilievre responded.

Here’s the quote from PPoilievre. On Wednesday afternoon, Poilievre spoke in the House of Commons to ask Prime Minister Justin Trudeau what he knew about the incident.

“Mr. Speaker, we’ve just heard media reports of a terrorist attack, an explosion at the Niagara crossing of the Canada-U.S. border. At least two people are dead, one is injured. It is the principal responsibility of government to protect the people. Can the Prime Minister give us an update on what he knows, and what action plan he will immediately implement to bring home security for our people?”

Thats PP ‘calling it terrorism from the get go?’ That why I couldn’t find it yesterday as I was searching for a quote of PP calling it terrorism…wrong search parameters I guess.

The CTV News story reported the Canadian government was operating under the assumption that the crash was terror related. The reporter said there was a distinction between what he said Wednesday and his reply to the question.

“There’s no distinction,” Poilievre responded. “What I said, and I was right, was that there were media reports of a terror-related event. By your admission, there were media reports of a terror-related event. And that media report, according to CTV – unless you’re questioning their integrity now – came from security officials in the Trudeau government.
“So do you think that CTV was irresponsible in putting out that tweet?” he asked.
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After the reporter responded to his question, which couldn’t be heard, Poilievre said he just wanted to make sure the news agency wasn’t going to publish a story it would have to apologize for.

Conservative Deputy Leader Melissa Lantsman, MP for Thornhill, called out the reporter for doubling down on “false premises torqued as ‘questions.'”

“Trust in media is low and this is another example of why,” Lantsman said on social media.
 
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Took a day but I found it. The incident was initially being treated as terrorism, but officials later said they are treating it as a traffic incident.

Pierre Poilievre shot back at a reporter Thursday after being questioned about his House of Commons statement citing media reports suggesting a terrorist attack at Canada’s border.

A reporter for the Canadian Press asked the Conservative Leader if it was a responsible statement to make.

“Do you think it was responsible for you to call (Wednesday’s) explosion by the checkpoint at the Rainbow Bridge terrorism when no U.S. or Canadian officials or authorities said that was the case, and when the New York Governor also said there was no evidence to suggest terrorist activity?” The CP reporter asked.

The Opposition Leader didn’t back down from the query, pointing out the news agency had recently made three corrections to a story and the reporter had just made another falsehood.

“Where you are wrong is that CTV reported that the government of Canada was presuming the incident was terrorist,” Poilievre responded.

Here’s the quote from PPoilievre. On Wednesday afternoon, Poilievre spoke in the House of Commons to ask Prime Minister Justin Trudeau what he knew about the incident.

“Mr. Speaker, we’ve just heard media reports of a terrorist attack, an explosion at the Niagara crossing of the Canada-U.S. border. At least two people are dead, one is injured. It is the principal responsibility of government to protect the people. Can the Prime Minister give us an update on what he knows, and what action plan he will immediately implement to bring home security for our people?”

Thats PP ‘calling it terrorism from the get go?’ That why I couldn’t find it yesterday as I was searching for a quote of PP calling it terrorism…wrong search parameters I guess.

The CTV News story reported the Canadian government was operating under the assumption that the crash was terror related. The reporter said there was a distinction between what he said Wednesday and his reply to the question.

“There’s no distinction,” Poilievre responded. “What I said, and I was right, was that there were media reports of a terror-related event. By your admission, there were media reports of a terror-related event. And that media report, according to CTV – unless you’re questioning their integrity now – came from security officials in the Trudeau government.

“So do you think that CTV was irresponsible in putting out that tweet?” he asked.
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After the reporter responded to his question, which couldn’t be heard, Poilievre said he just wanted to make sure the news agency wasn’t going to publish a story it would have to apologize for.

Conservative Deputy Leader Melissa Lantsman, MP for Thornhill, called out the reporter for doubling down on “false premises torqued as ‘questions.'”

“Trust in media is low and this is another example of why,” Lantsman said on social media.

"“Mr. Speaker, we’ve just heard media reports of a terrorist attack,..."

No, it was a *presumed* terrorist attack, and he said as much. That's a BIG fucking difference between "media reported terrorist attack" and a "media reported a presumed terrorist attack". One is a claim, the other is a suggestion of what it might be. Big. Fucking. Difference.

"It is the principal responsibility of government to protect the people."

Oh, so NOW he wants Trudeau to "protect people"? From what, exactly? No one knew at the time what was going on.

"Can the Prime Minister give us an update on what he knows, and what action plan he will immediately implement to bring home security for our people?”"

And then they fucking bitched when he left the house to BE briefed on what was going on and deal with the situation.

More proof that no matter what Trudeau does, it's not good enough, ever. And as I've pointed out before, Trudeau is a fucking dickhead, an idiot, etc but there is no one out there worth electing for PM, not even him. I also think this continual need to bash/complain/be absolute stalking bullies is just fucking childish and people need to grow the fuck up. The idiot has already hung himself, why the fuck continue with the "Oh he's terrible!" as if no one knows it already?


That does NOT absolve him of stating it in the fucking House when no one KNEW it was terror related for sure.
 

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"“Mr. Speaker, we’ve just heard media reports of a terrorist attack,..."
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No, it was a *presumed* terrorist attack, and he said as much. That's a BIG fucking difference between "media reported terrorist attack" and a "media reported a presumed terrorist attack". One is a claim, the other is a suggestion of what it might be. Big. Fucking. Difference.
I don’t see the word “Presumed” but OK.
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"It is the principal responsibility of government to protect the people."

Oh, so NOW he wants Trudeau to "protect people"? From what, exactly? No one knew at the time what was going on.
You do realize that Poilievre is the leader of the official opposition to the government in Parliament, right? Trudeau is currently the PM & leader of the government. Should Poilievre have asked these questions directed towards Jagmeet Singh or Elizabeth May or Yves-François Blanchet?
"Can the Prime Minister give us an update on what he knows, and what action plan he will immediately implement to bring home security for our people?”"

And then they fucking bitched when he left the house to BE briefed on what was going on and deal with the situation.
"Mr. Speaker, we just heard media reports about a terrorist attack at the border in Niagara. Two people may have been killed and a third injured. Can the prime minister give us any information about this terrorist attack?" Poilievre asked first in French, in a question that began at 2:23 p.m. ET, according to ParlVu.
“Mr. Speaker, we’ve just heard media reports of a terrorist attack, an explosion at the Niagara crossing of the Canada-U.S. border. At least two people are dead, one is injured. It is the principal responsibility of government to protect the people. Can the Prime Minister give us an update on what he knows, and what action plan he will immediately implement to bring home security for our people?” Poilievre asked.
More proof that no matter what Trudeau does, it's not good enough, ever. And as I've pointed out before, Trudeau is a fucking dickhead, an idiot, etc but there is no one out there worth electing for PM, not even him. I also think this continual need to bash/complain/be absolute stalking bullies is just fucking childish and people need to grow the fuck up. The idiot has already hung himself, why the fuck continue with the "Oh he's terrible!" as if no one knows it already?
Trudeau has made his own bed, & ours, for at least a generation.
That does NOT absolve him of stating it in the fucking House when no one KNEW it was terror related for sure.
Here’s the exact quote, again:

“Mr. Speaker, we’ve just heard media reports of a Terrorist Attack, an explosion at the Niagara crossing of the Canada-U.S. border. At least two people are dead, one is injured. It is the principal responsibility of government to protect the people. Can the Prime Minister give us an update on what he knows, and what action plan he will immediately implement to bring home security for our people?” Poilievre asked.

If you’re talking about something else, & I’m putting out the wrong quote, can you post a link please? Keep in mind that CTV has already corrected their story three times since yesterday apparently. I could very well be wrong here and very off-track.

Wouldn’t be the first time, & probably won’t be the last that I’ve been very wrong here, but I’m just not finding what you’re describing above. Maybe this?:
 
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The Vancouver Bentley dealership is just a couple blocks from my house I'm by there all the time those are big heavy (expensive) cars it's hard for me to understand why one would accelerate like that without a heavy right foot on the gas.

Medical emergency maybe?
 

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I don’t see the word “Presumed” but OK.
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You do realize that Poilievre is the leader of the official opposition to the government in Parliament, right? Trudeau is currently the PM & leader of the government. Should Poilievre have asked these questions directed towards Jagmeet Singh or Elizabeth May or Yves-François Blanchet?

"Mr. Speaker, we just heard media reports about a terrorist attack at the border in Niagara. Two people may have been killed and a third injured. Can the prime minister give us any information about this terrorist attack?" Poilievre asked first in French, in a question that began at 2:23 p.m. ET, according to ParlVu.
“Mr. Speaker, we’ve just heard media reports of a terrorist attack, an explosion at the Niagara crossing of the Canada-U.S. border. At least two people are dead, one is injured. It is the principal responsibility of government to protect the people. Can the Prime Minister give us an update on what he knows, and what action plan he will immediately implement to bring home security for our people?” Poilievre asked.

Trudeau has made his own bed, & ours, for at least a generation.

Here’s the exact quote, again:

“Mr. Speaker, we’ve just heard media reports of a Terrorist Attack, an explosion at the Niagara crossing of the Canada-U.S. border. At least two people are dead, one is injured. It is the principal responsibility of government to protect the people. Can the Prime Minister give us an update on what he knows, and what action plan he will immediately implement to bring home security for our people?” Poilievre asked.

If you’re talking about something else, & I’m putting out the wrong quote, can you post a link please? Keep in mind that CTV has already corrected their story three times since yesterday apparently. I could very well be wrong here and very off-track.

Wouldn’t be the first time, & probably won’t be the last that I’ve been very wrong here, but I’m just not finding what you’re describing above. Maybe this?:
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"under ASSUMPTION".

Assumption.

So I should have used assumed rather than presumed. My bad.

Point still stands.

If you're getting on me for not being 'clear', then where's your standing up against PP for the same?


I don’t see the word “Presumed” but OK.
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You do realize that Poilievre is the leader of the official opposition to the government in Parliament, right?

... yes, Ron.

Trudeau is currently the PM & leader of the government. Should Poilievre have asked these questions directed towards Jagmeet Singh or Elizabeth May or Yves-François Blanchet?

He shouldn't have asked the questions AT ALL until more was known. THAT is my point.

"Mr. Speaker, we just heard media reports about a terrorist attack at the border in Niagara."

A lie.

What he SHOULD have said was "Mr. Speaker, we've just heard media reports about an incident at the Niagara crossing of the Canada-US border. The media is reporting a possible terrorist attack," or "The media is reporting it is an assumed terrorist attack".

"Can the prime minister give us any information about this terrorist attack?" Poilievre asked first in French, in a question that began at 2:23 p.m. ET, according to ParlVu.

"Can the prime minister give us any information about this terrorist attack"

1. It was NOT a fucking terrorist attack. Again, my fucking point; you DON'T throw this kind of statement out as if it's fact UNLESS YOU KNOW FOR SURE IT WAS, otherwise you are pushing people into emotional states that aren't necessary (like panic, fear, anger, and stupid fucking idiocy when they think they "know who did it" as many on this board like to do when an incident happens and they're quick to blame "Muzzies" if it's terrorism related)
2. It was 3 HOURS after the incident; Canada was treating it like it could be terrorism, the US was not. Considering it takes time for cops to investigate and there was uncertainty, come the fuck on, 3 hours is NOT enough time to know more than the basics. He left the House TO get information... and they complained about that after. Make a fucking choice, did they want Trudeau to have info or not?

“Mr. Speaker, we’ve just heard media reports of a terrorist attack, an explosion at the Niagara crossing of the Canada-U.S. border. At least two people are dead, one is injured. It is the principal responsibility of government to protect the people. Can the Prime Minister give us an update on what he knows, and what action plan he will immediately implement to bring home security for our people?” Poilievre asked.

Yes, see alllllll the above.

He stoked fears by making it look like it WAS a terrorist attack, when the media was not reporting that, it was reporting it might be, it was assumed, etc.

Trudeau has made his own bed, & ours, for at least a generation.

Yes, he has.

But do people need to constantly remind the world of it? Or do they need to continually convince themselves because they lack a memory?

Or is it just that PP is trying SO HARD to appear better than Trudeau, when he's NOT and this is clear evidence of it.

Here’s the exact quote, again:

I don't need the exact quote again.

If you’re talking about something else, & I’m putting out the wrong quote, can you post a link please? Keep in mind that CTV has already corrected their story three times since yesterday apparently. I could very well be wrong here and very off-track.

I've used the exact quote every time. The only thing I did was use presume instead of assume.

That's it.

Again, if you're getting on me for that - to which I again admit my fault in wording - then why are you not on PP for claiming it was a terrorist attack when it was not, IN THE HOUSE?

Wouldn’t be the first time, & probably won’t be the last that I’ve been very wrong here, but I’m just not finding what you’re describing above. Maybe this?:

I don't know what you're getting vs. what I am referring to in the exact thing PP said..

Look, Ron, there's a LOT of issues that this one story has pointed out problems with the media and Government and in the end that's my biggest issue and frustration.

1. The media, in a rush for clicks, makes the most outthere, reactive posts about a story to get attention so it generates $$. As a society, we've pushed the media to be like this because that's all that generates money now is sensationalism. We all know that, it's bitched about constantly. But when there are stories like this, we all know how bad reporting or bad need for clicks can throw things into chaos. It's why the media isn't as trusted now as it used to be.

2. You do NOT stand up in the fucking HOUSE and claim terrorism unless you are CERTAIN IT'S FUCKING TERRORISM. As part of Government, PP should NOT just be throwing out there assumptions, ESPECIALLY if he wants to be the P-fucking-M. But because he said "media reports", he now has a backup of "Oh my bad, it wasn't terrorism at all, but blame the media, not ME for suggesting it".

And if you're truthful you would readily admit that had Trudeau done the same (and likely has, his fuckery is long) he'd be ROASTED for it. So why the fuck is PP getting a pass? I mean, you have people claiming that PP is EXACTLY what this country needs but is he, when he would do shit like this? How is THAT any better than fucking Trudeau?

3. Politicians, like the media, are now living off of clicks, of sensationalism. If you are going to call out one person for doing it, you call them all out. No exceptions. My issue isn't that Trudeau is being called out for his stupidity - actually it's great he is - my issue is that when PP does it, it somehow gets a fucking pass. Trudeau has made a lot of his own fucking Drama, yes, but PP seems to be following his footsteps. Yet Trudeau does it, it's a fucking disgrace. PP does it, it's somehow the best thing for Canada.

And if the leader you want is someone who would use any excuse to be sensationalist over a non-issue, what the HELL is it going to be like when something REAL comes along? What if it was a REAL terrorist threat and PP was leader?

I'd rather not live in a country that panic's at the drop of a hat thanks to a leader who wants to be a media whore (which is something considering Trudeau's media whoring)
 

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….anyway, no point speculating... but when they release the unpronouceable names then we're right back to square one.

autopsy info required.

put spammy on it!
Kurt Villani and his wife Monica Villani, both 53, died when their car became airborne and crashed on the Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls.
1700850659342.jpegThey lived 10 miles (16km) south of the crash site in Grand Island, New York.
It is still unclear what caused the couple's vehicle to rapidly accelerate before it flew through the air and burst into flames.
 

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And of course the PM wanna be PP called it Terrorism from the get go. Fucking moron. Proving he is not good for a PM by instantly claiming shit like that which would send people into a freak out/panic.

Trudeau's a goddamn idiot, but PP is worse.
I'll take PP over Trudeau any day! PP at least has an opinion; Trudeau has the WEF!! I'll take the former rather than the latter, thank you very much!
 

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Kurt Villani and his wife Monica Villani, both 53, died when their car became airborne and crashed on the Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls.
View attachment 20112They lived 10 miles (16km) south of the crash site in Grand Island, New York.
It is still unclear what caused the couple's vehicle to rapidly accelerate before it flew through the air and burst into flames.

53.

Perhaps a heart attack; when driving a vehicle, a driver who has a heart attack usually presses down on the accelerator. It's how my grandmother's husband died; heart attack while driving, drove through a stop sign into a transport truck...

It's a freakin' horrible way to die.
 

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53.

Perhaps a heart attack; when driving a vehicle, a driver who has a heart attack usually presses down on the accelerator. It's how my grandmother's husband died; heart attack while driving, drove through a stop sign into a transport truck...

It's a freakin' horrible way to die.
Shitty. Perhaps a Merle Haggard soundtrack. Also a horrible way to go…
 

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53.

Perhaps a heart attack; when driving a vehicle, a driver who has a heart attack usually presses down on the accelerator. It's how my grandmother's husband died; heart attack while driving, drove through a stop sign into a transport truck...

It's a freakin' horrible way to die.
The driver may have been unconscious. The passenger would have endured some terror.

Reminds me a bit of an old joke: "I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather, not the passengers in his car."
 

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The driver may have been unconscious. The passenger would have endured some terror.

Reminds me a bit of an old joke: "I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather, not the passengers in his car."
good on either one of them for managing to steer around that other vehicle, thus saving a life or two before they crashed.

sad ending.

even sadder that few here missed an opportunity to toss barbs at each other.