Vancouver’s safe-injection site
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You are being foolish. If they had impunity they could shoot up wherever they like. They cannot. They can shoot their drugs in a supervised clinic which has an exemption under our laws. At least until the ideological government we have decides that facts and benefits don't mesh with their law and order agenda.
Facts shmacts! :roll:
This silly stupidity has been proven false so many times, only the most novice or moronic of forum dwellers still thinks it's true.
Not only did it exist under the Taliban, they taxed it, favoured warlords sympathetic to their theology and actively participated in driving up the price, so they could reap greater taxation profits.
They say that addiction to nicotine is worse than any other addiction.
Well, let me speak from experience. I started smoking when I was 15. I quit cold turkey when I was 45, admittedly, after several unsuccessful attempts. But I did, and after 24 years I am still nicotine-free and happy to be.
Due to insufferable pain I was on Morphine (prescribed) for two years, while I waited in our glorious health care system for 15 minute operation. When the operation was over, the attending surgeon advised me to go on a withdrawal program, but I refused, saying that if I could quit tobacco, cold turkey, I could, surely quit Dilaudid, cold turkey.
To make a long story short, I did. It was not pleasant or easy, but all it took was WILL POWER.
I have no sympathy for addicts who cry and demand my tax money to help them to quit their addiction. Piss on them, let them develop a spine quit!! It's NOT food, it's NOT water, it's NOT something to sustain their lives.
As a resident of Manitoba, I don't give a flying crap about BC freeloading addicts, since they don't directly affect my pocketbook. But if Manitoba tried to install the same asinine crap, I would object vigorously.
As the old saying goes: God help those who help themselves. God, or no God, if you don't want to help yourself, go to hell and break the law somewhere else.
Well, let me speak from experience. I started smoking when I was 15. I quit cold turkey when I was 45, admittedly, after several unsuccessful attempts. But I did, and after 24 years I am still nicotine-free and happy to be.
Due to insufferable pain I was on Morphine (prescribed) for two years, while I waited in our glorious health care system for 15 minute operation. When the operation was over, the attending surgeon advised me to go on a withdrawal program, but I refused, saying that if I could quit tobacco, cold turkey, I could, surely quit Dilaudid, cold turkey.
To make a long story short, I did. It was not pleasant or easy, but all it took was WILL POWER.
I have no sympathy for addicts who cry and demand my tax money to help them to quit their addiction. Piss on them, let them develop a spine quit!! It's NOT food, it's NOT water, it's NOT something to sustain their lives.
As a resident of Manitoba, I don't give a flying crap about BC freeloading addicts, since they don't directly affect my pocketbook. But if Manitoba tried to install the same asinine crap, I would object vigorously.
As the old saying goes: God help those who help themselves. God, or no God, if you don't want to help yourself, go to hell and break the law somewhere else.
I think you are right...........philisophically, but being "right" doesn't always work. I believe in giving help..............as long as the person being helped is giving it 100% him/herself. We've been raised in a tolerant and pampered society...........years ago we put up with quite a bit of pain of discomfort and but now there is a pill to deaden every little twinge and discomfort. The bigger problem is society has a bigger addiction to something that has indirectly led to this. I know my grandmother, who lived in poverty and couldn't afford the dentist (such as he was) when her teeth got rotten she pulled them herself. That would probably be illegal today. :smile:
Insite's next battle: Supervised inhalation.
Now the proponents of Insite are hoping that a favorable decision in the Supreme Court this week allowing safe injection, will pave a way for them to argue for supervised inhalation of crack cocaine!
Insite isn't saving lives, its just monitoring the drug user's slower death.
Shut down Insite.
Now the proponents of Insite are hoping that a favorable decision in the Supreme Court this week allowing safe injection, will pave a way for them to argue for supervised inhalation of crack cocaine!
Insite isn't saving lives, its just monitoring the drug user's slower death.
Shut down Insite.
It's not the overdose that kills. It's the time it takes to find the unconscious person. If someone is under observation while they're doing something stupid, they'll probably live.
They are just as eligible to be arrested as anyone else.
Of course they have the authority. You should check your facts.
Probably, but then Insite is doing a wonderful job and helping reduce problems in East Hastings. That only pisses off a few people who seem to hate it when someone isn't getting punished.
I swear I'm quitting.
Would it help if you were arrested, held until court and then charged with trafficking? House and car taken away, family left to scramble for a place to live in the meantime? Maybe even charging you with endangering children since you probably go near a school while under the influence.
Should someone have a talk with your parents to find out why they raised you wrong like this?
Not when they tell you to go fu ck yourself. The addict has to want to quit first, only then can anyone start to help. Stressing the sh!t out of them by arresting them, taking away any money or drugs they happen to have and then dumping them back on the street for a court date they won't make doesn't help them.
That's why there is an place like Insite to begin with.
All of this is basic stuff that if you bothered to read anything about the program and place you would know.
A Vancouver woman says the city's supervised injection site put her on the path to a two-month heroin binge after nurses at the facility helped her inject herself for the first time in her life.
Since her first visit in March, 32-year-old Cherie says she has visited Insite as many as 100 times to support her sudden addiction – something she says she wouldn't have done if the site had warned her away.
"It was way too convenient," she told CTV News. "It made me use more. If there wasn't an Insite I wouldn't use as often as I was. It made my addiction spiral downhill basically."
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Instead of doing the right thing, which would be confrontation, Insite did nothing but further this woman's addiction.
Shut down Insite.
Since her first visit in March, 32-year-old Cherie says she has visited Insite as many as 100 times to support her sudden addiction – something she says she wouldn't have done if the site had warned her away.
"It was way too convenient," she told CTV News. "It made me use more. If there wasn't an Insite I wouldn't use as often as I was. It made my addiction spiral downhill basically."
(source)
Instead of doing the right thing, which would be confrontation, Insite did nothing but further this woman's addiction.
Shut down Insite.
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U.N. drug control officers said the Taliban religious militia has nearly wiped out opium production in Afghanistan -- once the world's largest producer -- since banning poppy cultivation last summer.
A 12-member team from the U.N. Drug Control Program spent two weeks searching most of the nation's largest opium-producing areas and found so few poppies that they do not expect any opium to come out of Afghanistan this year.
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban's supreme leader, banned poppy growing before the November planting season and augmented it with a religious edict making it contrary to the tenets of Islam.
The Taliban, which has imposed a strict brand of Islam in the 95 percent of Afghanistan it controls, has set fire to heroin laboratories and jailed farmers until they agreed to destroy their poppy crops.
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Bull. She bought the heroin herself with the intent to use it. Insite doesn't supply drugs. She bought the heroin, and not to ice a cake with.
Confrontation doesn't get people into addictions services, it forces them away, and underground.
It doesn't matter who supplies the heroin, Insite coached her how to inject herself for the first time.
When someone is about to shoot up for the first time, this is when you need to grab them by the ears, compassionately warn about the grave mistake and spiraling path they are about to take. ANYTHING to prevent that needle from going in. If you succeed that person is going to be nothing but grateful when they look back at that critical moment. What does Insite do instead? They condoned her choice, and contributed to her becoming a full blown addict. Don't take my word for it, take hers.
Shut down Insite.
Not yet, but unbelievably if they get a favorably decision from the supreme court, they will next argue for "safe inhalation" space for crack cocaine users!
I would certainly agree that this lady's story is a failure of the program. The intent is to allow chronic IV drug users a a safe place to inject with proper disposal of the needle to prevent them from showing up in alleys and parks.
While I agree she should have been encouraged and counselled to not start using I also agree that this is mostly a good program for those that are long term addicts.
While I agree she should have been encouraged and counselled to not start using I also agree that this is mostly a good program for those that are long term addicts.
I'm aware of that.
Would you prefer she goes down an alley for coaching instead? I hear alleys have top notch health professionals, and the very best addiction support services.
Maybe I'm asking the wrong person about alleys...
You see here you go taking something that happened and twisting it into something that didn't happen.
When someone is about to shoot up for the first time, this is when you need to grab them by the ears, compassionately warn about the grave mistake and spiraling path they are about to take.[/quote]
She wasn't about to shoot up for the first time. She had shot up before but had friends inject her. So in going to Insite, she was already an IV drug user. She would eventually have done it herself and perhaps killed her self or caused irreversible damage to herself.
No not anything to prevent that needle from going in. If she chooses to take drugs, it's her choice. Free will is like that. They didn't condone her choice they made sure she was safe and taught her how to do what she would have done on her own eventually, safely.
Quite convenient that someone comes along and does this then turns to CTV News (hello Duffy) to break the story. The timing sure is a coincidence in that it's about to go before the SCoC. Why it's almost like someone set that whole thing up. Surely no one would stoop as low as to pay for someone to go shoot up some junk a couple of times in order to come up with a story to discredit an organization that provides evidence that flies in the face of the they personally believe in? Nah no one would stoop that low. Would they?
How can you think this is better?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzlX8FkgZh8&feature=related
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Most addicts do not have that kind of will power. There is no difference as to what they are addicted to. That is why there is AA and a host of other support groups.
I have to call Bull**** on that one. Only someone with no experience with drugs could possibly be gullible enough to believe that.
Some come with bare naked ladies and shooter specials during power hour. Even if you don't know how to drink, they will show you. Even give you little samplers so that you can try lots of them before you start to get sick and pass out.