US Government is Closed!

EagleSmack

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Just wait, you'll love it when the Soviet air conditioner or fridge in your cabana breaks down on a 38C day and all you have is piss warm beer.

Really?

I've been hearing all these years on CanCon how wonderful vacations are in Cuba.

Beautiful resorts and no Americans.
 

hunboldt

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Hunboldt: I deserved that. :)


oh, YOU ARE FORGIVEN , EVERY BODY'S FORGIVEN . Every Body insults me . If I packed grudges I'd have to hate half the member.

and Life's too short.

Actually,i ts a pretty good site.
 

EagleSmack

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Speaking from personal experience when health providers come after you for payment they don't fool around, the debt collectors are relentless. Medicaid did eventually help in my case but I in fact did have to have close to zero assets to qualify.

CK... do you think that debt collectors will be extinct because of the ACA? Oh heck no... the IRS is going to make sure everyone is paying. As long as you have a job... you're paying.

"Congrats you qualify for subsidies... you only have to pay $500 a month."

"but... but... $500... I have rent... and a car payment.. and a ..."

"F*** you... pay me!"



Upon returning home....

"Do you have anything to declare?"

"Yes, 2 bottles of rum and hepatitis."

Well I guess the Cubans are going to have to make things a little more accommodating for us Yanks. ;)
 

Cobalt_Kid

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CK... do you think that debt collectors will be extinct because of the ACA? Oh heck no... the IRS is going to make sure everyone is paying. As long as you have a job... you're paying.

"Congrats you qualify for subsidies... you only have to pay $500 a month."

"but... but... $500... I have rent... and a car payment.. and a ..."

"F*** you... pay me!"


I wish I had an easy answer, all I know is the current system is broken, how to get to something that actually works for Americans is beyond me. I'm pretty sure that not even being willing to look for answers isn't going to do anything.

The entire US government system was set up to be open to change to reflect changing needs, the system needs to have a chance to work again and in my opinion that means reforming the electoral system to get the donor class out of the drivers set and the taxation system is also garbage. America is probably going to crash if things don't change and that's from a lot of causes, blaming Obama because he wants to at least try and help people get care makes no sense to me.

At the very least he's trying to be reasonable and that's not something that I think applies to the Tea Party. Not that I think that some members don't care, my step-dad who's a retired hard-rock miner in Washington state is a member of the Tea Party, and I know he really cares about America. But I think people like him are being manipulated into supporting something they don't even really understand, they're working against their own interests.
 

Sons of Liberty

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There's discretion in the system and I can tell you through experience it's not as easy to access as you may think.

I will definitely concede to this because it simply is true of all things, unfortunately

You're right it sucks...billions of dollars a year out of people's pockets. People are too often forced to choose between health or wealth.

I would choose health 100% of the time.

Or those made poor by enormous health bills as in my case, there are better ways to run a health care system.

CK, I would never pry into someone else's business, but there is always a way to get coverage if you really want it.

It's pretty clear, Americans pay far more per-capita for health care that millions don't even have access too. Many go without baseline care and get profoundly sick before seeking emergency care which helps drive the cost up.

The biggest contributor to this high health care cost is post surgery infections
 

Cobalt_Kid

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CK, I would never pry into someone else's business, but there is always a way to get coverage if you really want it.

In theory that may be true, but in the real world when you're dealing with life-threatening illness the last thing you should need to do is run what can be a complex obstacle course just to get care. For many people in that situation it's simply beyond their resources. And having prior coverage doesn't make a person secure in the US, many insurance companies are very expert at dodging claims, should everyone be required to have the ability of a lawyer to get care?

Having a single government regulated system does reduce the profit potential, but we're talking about something that should be a basic right in my opinion, not a commodity.

The biggest contributor to this high health care cost is post surgery infections

And it's amazing in this day and age how some health professionals still don't wash their hands and make sure they're wearing clean garb, both at work and outside. It bothers me every time I see someone coming home in scrubs. Plus the use of way to much antibiotics, we're busy creating new health crises.
 

PoliticalNick

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Here is another thought about big bad corporate America. I know the media would have all believe we are throwing the cancer ridden in the gutter and not providing care. A former employee of ours had lost her job at another company some 30 years ago. Before she was able to find a new job with medical insurance, she got cancer. She went through treatment and survived. First: SHE GOT TREATMENT. Second: THE HOSPTIAL KNEW SHE HAD NO MONEY. They created a payment plan for her. $15 bucks a month until the 12k was paid off. Some 15 years later she paid it off. When we say we are the land of opportunity - we mean it. WE take care of our sick and infirmed. Obamacare will destroy that. The truly needed will get nothing, while the shrewd lazy beasts of society will sign up for every subsidy known to mankind. Now if you are of the mindset that everyone should live in a mansion, drive the same type of car, have the exact same everything as everybody else, then move to Cuba and be done with it.
You are full of sh*t. That payment would only amount to $2700 over 15 years. In reality if they allowed her to pay $15 a month and never added a penny in interest it would take 800 months or 66 years 8 months to pay her bill.

I would choose health 100% of the time.
Me too! I think we all would.
The biggest contributor to this high health care cost is post surgery infections
You forget the nurses who want $50/hr and doctors who feel underprivileged if they are making $750k or more and the administrators who want $500k and up plus the fact it is privatized so the shareholders want a few hundred million to split. When it comes right down to it the major problem with the US healthcare system is the fact it is 'for profit'.
 

JLM

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First: SHE GOT TREATMENT. Second: THE HOSPTIAL KNEW SHE HAD NO MONEY. They created a payment plan for her. $15 bucks a month until the 12k was paid off. Some 15 years later she paid it off. When we say we are the land of opportunity - we mean it. WE take care of our sick and infirmed. Obamacare will destroy that. The truly needed will get nothing, while the shrewd lazy beasts of society will sign up for every subsidy known to mankind. Now if you are of the mindset that everyone should live in a mansion, drive the same type of car, have the exact same everything as everybody else, then move to Cuba and be done with it.

You may want to check the math there, possibly one of those figures is in error.
 

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ME thinks ME calculated wrong. You are right...but take it easy. It was some insanely low monthly payment. The point being the hospital worked with her to make sure it was paid off. It may have been that she owed 12k, but the hospital reduce the amount due to around 3000. Me thinks the troll is going to bash my lame brain cause I cant add or divide or multiply or subtract.
 

JLM

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And it's amazing in this day and age how some health professionals still don't wash their hands and make sure they're wearing clean garb, both at work and outside. It bothers me every time I see someone coming home in scrubs. Plus the use of way to much antibiotics, we're busy creating new health crises.

A short time ago a doctor was discussing all this cleanliness and sanitation that is happening today. It's actually the cause of a lot of sickness and allergies today, our immune systems are suffering from too much of it.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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To be fair there are some really good health providers in the US, one of the hospitals that treated me worked closely with me to reduce and finally eliminate what was a very big bill. A second one was completely unreasonable and after a few months of constant calls from the collection service when I finally went in and talked to the collector about the situation they immediately dropped the claim. One fellow that I knew that had been a patient at that small hospital drove his pickup truck into the ground floor admin office he was so pissed off.

There's a lot of flexibility in the system, the issue I think is simplifying it so it doesn't need the exceptional care of some people and organizations to show a human face. That element is there, it just tends to get lost in the constant drive for making money that some people push consistently.
 

PoliticalNick

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ME thinks ME calculated wrong. You are right...but take it easy. It was some insanely low monthly payment. The point being the hospital worked with her to make sure it was paid off. It may have been that she owed 12k, but the hospital reduce the amount due to around 3000. Me thinks the troll is going to bash my lame brain cause I cant add or divide or multiply or subtract.

Just a little off. Maybe you are better at english than math.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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A short time ago a doctor was discussing all this cleanliness and sanitation that is happening today. It's actually the cause of a lot of sickness and allergies today, our immune systems are suffering from too much of it.

You can take it too far, but the simple practice of doctors washing their hands before delivering babies immediately decreased infant mortality and increased life-expectancy.

And there are new superbugs we don't want spread from breeding grounds in many hospitals and clinics. I know I want my doctor and other health providers to wash their hands after seeing someone before me.
 

CDNBear

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Me thinks the troll is going to bash my lame brain cause I cant add or divide or multiply or subtract.
You thought right. Which is something that particular troll is incapable of.

Just ignore him, or point out when he's wrong, which is most of the time, while you laugh at him.
 

JLM

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You can take it too far, but the simple practice of doctors washing their hands before delivering babies immediately decreased infant mortality and increased life-expectancy.

And there are new superbugs we don't want spread from breeding grounds in many hospitals and clinics. I know I want my doctor and other health providers to wash their hands after seeing someone before me.

For sure, and I think putting on a glove before doing the digital rectum examination isn't a bad idea either.