US Government is Closed!

[tober]

It's only a matter of time until the US dollar loses its reserve currency status. Then living standards in the US will sharply decline, and Americans will be at each other's throats struggling over a shrinking economic pie.

They already are.

Hey. We the people reopened Rushmore this week. We aim on opening our other national parks too. Alas! The people awaken and realize we don't need no stinkin government.

"We the People"? What a monstrous falsehood. Every other western nation at the very least has arranged health care for the people. "Youz the People" haven't managed that yet, and no matter what you say your masters are determined that you not get any.

Without good government there is no personal freedom. Look for the power bases in society. They are governments and corporations. Good government can be controlled by the people, good corporations cannot. No real power over a company can be exercised by anybody but the board of directors. The only person a member of a board of directors is interested in advancing is #1, himself, and whatever cronies he must support to maintain himself. A good government, OTOH, is responsive to the needs of the people. No one person can usually effect much, but people together with others can effect more of government than they can of the economy. Any economic control exercised against a company would usually be through legal means, which is to say the courts, which is government.

That is how things were done in the old days. Want a park? volunteer. Today people expect some rich government employee to do every last thing for them.

"Rich government employee?" My, we are feeling hard done by. It sounds like someone tried to get into government but failed.

While the US senate is voting on the funding proposal it has to then be voted on by the House of Representatives, who have a Republican majority

Hmmmm. The head r/w'er was quoted on tv last night as saying it's all the tea party's fault and the rest of the party wasn't involved. Time to fish or cut bait.

 

[BaalsTears]

They already are...

That's a good thing. It weakens the USA...and the federal govt. The weaker the govt. the better.

 

[cj44]

They already are.



"We the People"? What a monstrous falsehood. Every other western nation at the very least has arranged health care for the people. "Youz the People" haven't managed that yet, and no matter what you say your masters are determined that you not get any.

Without good government there is no personal freedom. Look for the power bases in society. They are governments and corporations. Good government can be controlled by the people, good corporations cannot. No real power over a company can be exercised by anybody but the board of directors. The only person a member of a board of directors is interested in advancing is #1, himself, and whatever cronies he must support to maintain himself. A good government, OTOH, is responsive to the needs of the people. No one person can usually effect much, but people together with others can effect more of government than they can of the economy. Any economic control exercised against a company would usually be through legal means, which is to say the courts, which is government.



"Rich government employee?" My, we are feeling hard done by. It sounds like someone tried to get into government but failed.



Hmmmm. The head r/w'er was quoted on tv last night as saying it's all the tea party's fault and the rest of the party wasn't involved. Time to fish or cut bait.

"arranged healthcare" Hmmm. Kind of sounds like an arranged marriage. No thanks. Our freedoms come from God and he darn well expects us to work for a living. We are to look after and care for the widows and orphans - not the lazy, gluttonous beasts that lay on their sofas drinking soda and eating chips. Get some discernment. By the way, EVERYONE here in the USA already has access to healthcare. It's called medicaid. My friend is at poverty level and she & her two teenagers are covered by a state insurance program. They pay $25 a month. No more. No less. So before you believe all this crappola about Americans not providing for the poor and witholding medical care - know that it is all LIES. Obamacare was crafted to buy more votes for the dems. But be sure to not miss an opportunity to condemn the big bad corporations.

 

[hunboldt]

"arranged healthcare" Hmmm. Kind of sounds like an arranged marriage. No thanks. Our freedoms come from God and he darn well expects us to work for a living. We are to look after and care for the widows and orphans - not the lazy, gluttonous beasts that lay on their sofas drinking soda and eating chips. Get some discernment. By the way, EVERYONE here in the USA already has access to healthcare. It's called medicaid. My friend is at poverty level and she & her two teenagers are covered by a state insurance program. They pay $25 a month. No more. No less. So before you believe all this crappola about Americans not providing for the poor and witholding medical care - know that it is all LIES. Obamacare was crafted to buy more votes for the dems. But be sure to not miss an opportunity to condemn the big bad corporations.

While you have a patch of programs , like Meidcaid, the new Health care is designed to get people off Medicaid and on to proper insurance programs.

The Current congressional farce is cynical cash bagging from the insurance lobbies, who don't want a " German or Swiss' pooled account system.

 

[EagleSmack]

Good post CJ... but their feeble minds are set.

In other news...

“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”

-B. Obama

Headline...

Obamacare causes insurance companies to scrap some plans, create new ones

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/20...nies_to_scrap_some_plans_create_new_ones.html

While you have a patch of programs , like Meidcaid, the new Health care is designed to get people off Medicaid and on to proper insurance programs.

Proper? Government defined proper?

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

No thanks. We will stick with safe and clean coal and oil.

I had no idea you were so funny.

The pollution from coal alone is immense and it puts out about 100 times the radioactive material as the current nuclear power sector.

Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste: Scientific American

Over the past few decades, however, a series of studies has called these stereotypes into question. Among the surprising conclusions: the waste produced by coal plants is actually more radioactive than that generated by their nuclear counterparts. In fact, the fly ash emitted by a power plant—a by-product from burning coal for electricity—carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy.

Then there's things like mercury, lead, arsenic and other pollutants, and the massive amount of material being moved has significant impacts. All this before you even get to acid rain and CO2 driven climate change.

Unconventional oil like the tar sands is no better because it releases many of the same hazardous materials and large amounts of CO2.

Elements like uranium or thorium bred into U-233 have several million times the energy density of fossil fuels, it's only inertia that keeps us stuck using coal, oil and eventually natural gas.

 

[Colpy]

Gowdy questions NPS Director on Barricading Monuments - YouTube

 

[Christianna]

Lucky Americans they get to go through this all over again in January!

 

[hunboldt]

I'm afraid , Colpy, that the Republican stance is based on " The Ngira won't close down gov't, therefore runnin' otta cash in 48 hours".

If the far right wants the monuments open, why aren't their Foundations forking up some dough, instead of waiting for the State Government to pitch in emergency cash?

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

The problem here is that Obama is exercising political moderation in the face of a small number of far right extremists who only got into office because of an astro-turf organization created by the Koch brothers and other wealthy corporate interests.

They're going to do anything and everything they can to cover the Obama Presidency in dirt because they don't really represent democratic interests in America. Obama has been elected twice, once since the contentious health bill was passed, the American people have had a chance to voice their approval of Obama and his administration and they spoke clearly.

 

[Sons of Liberty]

While you have a patch of programs , like Meidcaid, the new Health care is designed to get people off Medicaid and on to proper insurance programs.

I often hear how oblivious Americans are about Canada, and you would be right, many Americans don't really know much about Canada. It occurs to me though that many Canadians THINK they know much about the US and they don't, the proof is in your post, no insult intended btw.

Medicaid, Medicare and other programs are not patches and are not incomplete, I would assert they are much more comprehensive than your Universal Health Care. Universal in your case covers everybody? (I think). The problem is and always has been, the middle class, whereby millions of young people don't want it (wrong I agree), or they can't afford it. Those who are within 133% of poverty and over 65 are fully covered, period, end of story and those who fall within that category and aren't insured just plain don't know about it.

The Current congressional farce is cynical cash bagging from the insurance lobbies, who don't want a " German or Swiss' pooled account system.

No, it's political *******s that should be lynched, they have lost their way and it makes me furious.

 

[cj44]

While you have a patch of programs , like Meidcaid, the new Health care is designed to get people off Medicaid and on to proper insurance programs.

The Current congressional farce is cynical cash bagging from the insurance lobbies, who don't want a " German or Swiss' pooled account system.

Hunboldt. That is not true. Go on any of our states obamacare enrollment sites. Obamacare throws people onto each states medicaid program. The burden becomes each individual states. It depends on income level, but obamacare will continue to subsidize a segment of our population. My sister in law lost her job in May. If she goes on her husband's insurance through his job it will cost them an additional $200 a month. So, she waited to see what Obamacare had to offer. She would have to pay $562 a month if chooses to go into an exchange. My brother earns 50k a year. So they would have to pay nearly 12% of their income to cover just her. Who in the hell can afford that? Affordable Healthcare Act? NOT!!!!!!

Here is another thought about big bad corporate America. I know the media would have all believe we are throwing the cancer ridden in the gutter and not providing care. A former employee of ours had lost her job at another company some 30 years ago. Before she was able to find a new job with medical insurance, she got cancer. She went through treatment and survived. First: SHE GOT TREATMENT. Second: THE HOSPTIAL KNEW SHE HAD NO MONEY. They created a payment plan for her. $15 bucks a month until the 12k was paid off. Some 15 years later she paid it off. When we say we are the land of opportunity - we mean it. WE take care of our sick and infirmed. Obamacare will destroy that. The truly needed will get nothing, while the shrewd lazy beasts of society will sign up for every subsidy known to mankind. Now if you are of the mindset that everyone should live in a mansion, drive the same type of car, have the exact same everything as everybody else, then move to Cuba and be done with it.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

I often hear how oblivious Americans are about Canada, and you would be right, many Americans don't really know much about Canada. It occurs to me though that many Canadians THINK they know much about the US and they don't, the proof is in your post, no insult intended btw.

Medicaid, Medicare and other programs are not patches and are not incomplete, I would assert they are much more comprehensive than your Universal Health Care. Universal in your case covers everybody? (I think). The problem is and always has been, the middle class, whereby millions of young people don't want it (wrong I agree), or they can't afford it. Those who are within 133% of poverty and over 65 are fully covered, period, end of story and those who fall within that category and aren't insured just plain don't know about it.

Of course you're ignoring the fact that each state sets its own eligibility requirements and it can be difficult to qualify for either if you have any assets.

Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies: Study

Healthcare bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy in America.

Bankruptcies resulting from unpaid medical bills will affect nearly 2 million people this year—making health care the No. 1 cause of such filings, and outpacing bankruptcies due to credit-card bills or unpaid mortgages, according to new data. And even having health insurance doesn't buffer consumers against financial hardship.

Speaking from personal experience when health providers come after you for payment they don't fool around, the debt collectors are relentless. Medicaid did eventually help in my case but I in fact did have to have close to zero assets to qualify.

It's a business making profit off of the misfortune of people, from an ethical standpoint alone what's been going on in the US is unsustainable. It's also very inefficient, the US spends far more than most developed nations per-capita on health even though millions have been under or un-insured. It's what happens when a profit based industry sets the standards on what should be a system run for an individual as well as a common benefit.

Comparison of the health care systems in Canada and the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[hunboldt]

Hunboldt. subsidy known to mankind. Now if you are of the mindset that everyone should live in a mansion, drive the same type of car, have the exact same everything as everybody else, then move to Cuba and be done with it.

Actually, I am rather happy with single pay health care, but I would PREFER the Swiss or German plans, as they are more strictly enforced.


As to your second point, can I move to Valandero? Nice stab try, but if you think everyone gets equal treatment in Cuba- you have never been there.

Now, why don' t you write TedRuse a nice letter and demand your rights, as an American to visit Cuba?

 

[EagleSmack]

Now, why don' t you write TedRuse a nice letter and demand your rights, as an American to visit Cuba?

Oh Obama was all over that from the start. Cuba said no thanks... we like it the way things are and we will still have the US to blame for the woes of Cuba.

Me personally... I CANNOT WAIT... I cannot wait until Cuba is opened up to all Americans.

HB... us Yanks are going to flood that island... flood it. All those nice hotels that Canucks use to get away to a warm place w/o the Yanks being around...filled to the brim with Yanks.

I can't wait! I plan on being one of them!

 

[cj44]

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Actually, I am rather happy with single pay health care, but I would PREFER the Swiss or German plans, as they are more strictly enforced.


As to your second point, can I move to Valandero? Nice stab try, but if you think everyone gets equal treatment in Cuba- you have never been there.

Now, why don' t you write TedRuse a nice letter and demand your rights, as an American to visit Cuba?

Hunboldt: I deserved that.

 

[Sons of Liberty]

Of course you're ignoring the fact that each state sets its own eligibility requirements and it can be difficult to qualify for either if you have any assets.

States have their own eligibility requirements because of their own supplemental health care programs, they cannot deviate from medicaid guidelines.

Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies: Study

Healthcare bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy in America.

Ya, I know, it sucks but it is what it is. Bankruptcy is like a bad word or something? Bankruptcy allows you to bring your debt down to zero, it doesn't mean anyone takes your home.

Speaking from personal experience when health providers come after you for payment they don't fool around, the debt collectors are relentless. Medicaid did eventually help in my case but I in fact did have to have close to zero assets to qualify.

Medicaid is for the poor as I said.

It's a business making profit off of the misfortune of people, from an ethical standpoint alone what's been going on in the US is unsustainable. It's also very inefficient, the US spends far more than most developed nations per-capita on health even though millions have been under or un-insured. It's what happens when a profit based industry sets the standards on what should be a system run for an individual as well as a common benefit.

Comparison of the health care systems in Canada and the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can go on this endless comparison if you wish, but I'll tell you that all health care systems all over the world are unsustainable.

 

[petros]

All those nice hotels that Canucks use to get away to a warm place w/o the Yanks being around...filled to the brim with Yanks.

Just wait, you'll love it when the Soviet air conditioner or fridge in your cabana breaks down on a 38C day and all you have is piss warm beer.

 

[cj44]

Just wait, you'll love it when the Soviet air conditioner or fridge in your cabana breaks down on a 38C day and all you have is piss warm beer.

Petros: Maybe don't ever be a marketer for a vacation in Havanah. Cuba! No Air. No Fridge. And Beer in a Bladder. All Inclusive Vacations starting at $899.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

States have their own eligibility requirements because of their own supplemental health care programs, they cannot deviate from medicaid guidelines.

There's discretion in the system and I can tell you through experience it's not as easy to access as you may think.

Ya, I know, it sucks but it is what it is. Bankruptcy is like a bad word or something? Bankruptcy allows you to bring your debt down to zero, it doesn't mean anyone takes your home.

You're right it sucks...billions of dollars a year out of people's pockets. People are too often forced to choose between health or wealth.

Medicaid is for the poor as I said.

Or those made poor by enormous health bills as in my case, there are better ways to run a health care system.

You can go on this endless comparison if you wish, but I'll tell you that all health care systems all over the world are unsustainable.

It's pretty clear, Americans pay far more per-capita for health care that millions don't even have access too. Many go without baseline care and get profoundly sick before seeking emergency care which helps drive the cost up.

Halthcare is always going to be a contentious issue, but by neglecting basic coverage to millions as has been the case in the US you create a chronic condition that increases the bottom line, not reduces it. The insurers and health providers still make a healthy profit, but the clients and the overall community pay the price...which has pretty much become the US business model, how can you shaft the public to get rich.