US drones killed 123 civilians, three al-Qaeda men in January

gerryh

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at least one of their supporters is finally admitting that the americans "willingly" kill civilians rather than the standard " it was an unavoidable mistake, civilians are not purposly targeted".
 

Cliffy

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I'm beginning to think that collateral damage is part of the US strategy to prolong their wars and make more money.
 

darkbeaver

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Wrong.

there is a distinct difference......

The Americans are willing to kill civilians to get at their targets.........although in some cases it is impossible to differentiate between civilians and a legitimate target........I'd like to really know how many of the "innocents" killed were not active supporters of the Taliban and al-queda...

but I digress....

The Americans are willing to kill civilians if it is unavoidable in the pursuit of their goals.

Al-queda exists ONLY to kill civilians.

"There is a distinct difference" not. The modern meat and bone end of the art of war is a logical place Colpy. Here's how it works against groups of civilians. The target is free assembly. The target selection is triggered by weight/number. The number of bodies determines the total delivered deterrence. This inflates the enemys costs particularly concentration and planning. And the other very old thing, is that there is distinct difference between us and those labeled the enemy, we never hear that it is perspective alone. Imagine how old the Alkayda wedge thingy is. Killing civilians is always a terrifying act, regardless of the circumstances. The armys job is to kill the enemy his wives and children his cattle and to poison his wells and salt his pastures and raze his lands to the ground. Only then can we build a lasting peace without those evil pricks from the next valley.:smile:
 

darkbeaver

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In the old days it was understood where daddy and the uncles were going when they got in the long boat or saddled up the camels. Our education in those good days was clear and up front about that. Today we have provided ourselves with loads of plausible deniability through the filters of investment and gods various franchised blessings. Blood makes the world run. It's a hard concept to grasp, I heard that somewhere.:smile:
 

ironsides

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I was gonna say it's not a good way to get people on your side and win the hearts and minds but I didn't, thinking you would poo poo that.....I guess I was wrong.

Yet you still defend bombing a few hundred cilvilians to kill one or two terrorists.

I do not think winning the hearts and minds of anyone is a slogan for this war. Anyone who support's terror (so called civilians feed them, probably are family) are just as guilty, take their chances.
 

JBeee

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"Risus, I been hanging out with my wife for almost 39 years".....

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EAO....I was not defending American overkill......I don't know how important the targets were, how "innocent" the civilians were, and I agree that the loss of civilian life is very seriously detrimental to the cause.....so I choose not to comment on that.

Risus, I been hanging out with my wife for almost 39 years.....since I was 16....in that time I have not so much as fired a shot in her general direction. Honest. lol
 
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JBeee

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Save the PMs Colpy.....jus pullin yer leg. Yer old lady is prob responsible of saving yer neck more than once.
 

earth_as_one

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Wrong.

there is a distinct difference......

The Americans are willing to kill civilians to get at their targets.........although in some cases it is impossible to differentiate between civilians and a legitimate target........I'd like to really know how many of the "innocents" killed were not active supporters of the Taliban and al-queda...

but I digress....

The Americans are willing to kill civilians if it is unavoidable in the pursuit of their goals.

Al-queda exists ONLY to kill civilians.

Believe what you want Colpy, but the evidence is overwhelming that at least a few American soldiers have murdered Iraqi civilians for little to no good reason knowing that they will not be held accountable. I can provide many examples to back up this point.

Haditha is probably the best known example:
Haditha killings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can judge this eye witness testimony for yourself, but it sure sounds like the American soldiers killed 24 innocent civilians (men, women, children and babies) in cold blood because they were angry and the civilians were nearby and easy to kill.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article727385.ece

Haditha was not an isolated incident. Here is another example:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | New 'Iraq massacre' tape emerges

and so on...
t r u t h o u t | Countless My Lai Massacres in Iraq

If a country made up lies to justify invading and occupying Canada, then committed atrocities like the above to your friends and family, would you be pissed?
 

ironsides

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Some of you have a major misunderstanding of just what a warrior does. We are not sent to any place to build schools and get people to love us. We are sent by our country to do work that no one else wants to do. You want to build schools, send construction workers, you want them to learn, send teachers. When you send a warrior do not expect them to be nice. A warrior is only responsible to two people when being shot at, those to his right and left, and himself. Everyone else is the enemy.


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Risus

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Believe what you want Colpy, but the evidence is overwhelming that at least a few American soldiers have murdered Iraqi civilians for little to no good reason knowing that they will not be held accountable. I can provide many examples to back up this point.
The same thing happened in VietNam
 

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gerryh

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Some of you have a major misunderstanding of just what a warrior does. We are not sent to any place to build schools and get people to love us. We are sent by our country to do work that no one else wants to do. You want to build schools, send construction workers, you want them to learn, send teachers. When you send a warrior do not expect them to be nice. A warrior is only responsible to two people when being shot at, those to his right and left, and himself. Everyone else is the enemy.






Somebody starts shooting at you from a crowd, what do you do? In Iraq and Afghanistan, you shoot back. You do not have time to check everyone out before returning fire.

Ever wonder how many civilians were killed by for want of a better word the terrorists.
dailygleaner.com - Canadian soldiers killed four civilians last year | By COLIN PERKEL - Breaking News, New Brunswick, Canada

Just an example.

Get over it, it happens.



and people wonder why I have the attitude towards americans.

War mongers..., more interested in themselves and what's in it for them than anything else.
 
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