US asks China to explain why it needs aircraft carrier

petros

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A handdful of planes and jet engines is NOTHING. I hope they are grateful for us building them up one dollar store purchase at a time.


The Chinese aircraft is made from just about anything that can be scrounged up. It is probably 15 years if even that from production. You cannot cheat and create a fleet of sophisticated aircraft as is suggested.


Now as for the problem with the F-22, it might have been rushed into production. The OBOGGS system has been around for years on many jets; this is just the latest version. Whether it is the true reason for the "grounding" remains to be seen, if we the public are ever told the truth. As my military career taught me numerous times, the best way to hide a secret was in plain sight. Ground the fleet, blame the O2 system (logical cause of Alaska crash), fly the jets anyway, say nothing. It is the perfect cover. Back in the mid 1980's, the F-117 flew along the East German borders numerous times. The Soviet built radar's never responded to the intruder as they would to something like an F-15, -16, etc. This was before the jet was announced to the world. It confirmed that Stealth worked. And it still does; The F-117 that was shot down was targeted by electro-optical means, not some sort of radar mumbo-jumbo that some people want you to believe.


Plus I do not think the F-22 fleet is as grounded as some want us to believe unless President Obama had a hand in it.


It's Obamas fault? Obama doesn't say what the AF can or can't fly.
 

damngrumpy

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Does America not have aircraft carriers? China does not have to answer to any other
nations about what hardware it has militarily. What right does America have to demand
an answer to such a stupid question? That is the trouble with the United States a nation
that is losing its relevance in the world still behaving like it is the authority on everything.
The problem for America is they can't afford to build new ones because the borrowed
to much money from China who can now afford to build sophisticated equipment to
compete with Uncle Sam. How crazy is that? A better question would be how come
America listens to the Tea Party?
America is not the only kid on the block with big guns anymore.
 

ironsides

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A handdful of planes and jet engines is NOTHING. I hope they are grateful for us building them up one dollar store purchase at a time.


It's Obamas fault? Obama doesn't say what the AF can or can't fly.
I did not say he said that, but his team have been cutting our defense back.
 

Sparrow

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If someone comes up with a gizmo that screws up the computer, they all fly like a brick.

China's gizmo:
The assassin's mace: China's anti-satellite weapons
Glee and ecstasy soon turn to shock as monitor screens suddenly go blank. Then all communication via satellites goes dead. China has drawn its second "trump card" (the assassin's mace) by activating its maneuverable "parasite" micro-satellites that have unknowingly clung to vital (NORAD) radar and communication satellites and have either jammed, blinded or physically destroyed their hosts.

This is complemented by space mines that maneuver near adversary satellites and explode. Secret Chinese and Russian ground-based anti-satellite laser weapons also blind or bring down US and British satellites used for C4ISR (command, control, communication, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance). And to ensure redundancy and make sure that the adversary C4ISR system is completely "blinded" even temporarily, hundreds of select Chinese and Russian information warriors (hackers) specifically trained to attack their adversary's C4ISR systems simultaneously launch their cyber offensive.

For a few precious minutes, the US and UK advancing carrier battle groups are stunned and blinded by the "mace", ie, a defensive weapon used to temporarily blind a stronger opponent. But the word mace has another meaning; one which is deadlier and used in combination with the first.

A mace can be a spiked war club used in olden times to knock out an opponent. Applied in modern times, the spikes of the assassin's mace refer to currently unstoppable supersonic cruise missiles capable of sinking aircraft carriers that are in China's inventory; complemented by equally unstoppable "squall" or SHKVAL rocket torpedoes and regular 65 cm-diameter wake-homing torpedoes, bottom-rising rocket-propelled mines, and "obsolete" warplanes converted into unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAVs) firing anti-ship missiles from standoff positions and finally dive-bombing into the heart of the US and UK aircraft carrier armada.
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earth_as_one

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China is the Saudi Arabia of rare earth elements and is the source of most rare earth components which are used in most electronics. Even the US military is dependent on China for replacement parts, since the US has no significant ability to manufacture these components.

It's Official: Our Defense System Is WAY Too Dependent On China For Resources

Made in Japan used to mean inexpensive crap too. Once most of the world's manufacturing has moved to China, I'm sure it will get expensive.

Also, its not just factories which are moving to China. R&D is also moving to China:
China Drawing High-Tech Research From U.S. - NYTimes.com

China has nuclear weapons, ICBMs, stealth fighters and a modern space program. The next person to walk on the moon will probably be Chinese.
 

damngrumpy

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We are watching the titanic shift as America is headed for the scrap heap of history.
Like Alexander the Great and the Macedonian Empire, America has spent its time
and power supporting its own greed until nothing is left. Unlike the other transfers
of power we have watched as the cut throat corporations abandoned loyalty to state
and country. Free enterprise died a long time ago along with ethics.
China will also collapse and in a much shorter time frame as they have no sence of
decency or ethics to start with.
America never quits though, they believe they are the only ones who should have the
most power weapons and everyone else should have to justify their ownership of such
material. The problem is for America, if war did break out they would be hard pressed
to win.
 

coldstream

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It's for a wheelbarrows. WTF else would an aircraft carrier be used for?

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WASHINGTON — The United States said Wednesday it would like China to explain why it needs an aircraft carrier amid broader US concerns about Beijing's lack of transparency over its military aims.

"We would welcome any kind of explanation that China would like to give for needing this kind of equipment," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters when asked whether the carrier would raise regional tensions.

"This is part of our larger concern that China is not as transparent as other countries. It's not as transparent as the United States about its military acquisitions, about its military budget," she said.

"And we'd like to have the kind of open, transparent relationship in military-to-military affairs," Nuland said.

"In our military-to-military relations with many countries around the world, we have the kind of bilateral dialogue where we can get quite specific about the equipment that we have and its intended purposes and its intended movements," she said.

But China and the United States are "not at that level of transparency" to which the two nations aspire, Nuland added.

The comments came hours after China's first aircraft carrier embarked on its inaugural sea trial, a move likely to stoke concerns about the nation's military expansion and growing territorial assertiveness.

Beijing only recently confirmed it was revamping an old Soviet ship to be its first carrier and has sought to play down the vessel's capability, saying it will mainly be used for training and "research."

pot.. kettle.. black!!
 

petros

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Speaking of transparency....has that $3.2Trillion ever turned up that the Pentagoons swindled or was that for clear as mud projects?
 

ironsides

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Japan and China still argue over islands. Taiwan is in Beijing's good books these days investing places China can't for China.

Good artical about the carrier.
China's neighbors, particularly Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines, have responded with tough talk and posturing of their own. Last year China and Japan sparred over islands in the East China Sea that Japan administers and both nations claim, known as the Diaoyu to the Chinese and the Senkaku to the Japanese. When Japan detained a Chinese trawler captain near the islands, China cried foul. Two weeks later Japan released the fisherman, who returned to a hero's welcome in China. This summer, Chinese warships passed through international waters near Okinawa, which has unsettled Tokyo. Japan's latest white paper on national defense said Chinese military modernization, increased activities in Asian waters and lack of transparency "are becoming a cause for concern in the region and within the international community."
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2087973,00.html?xid=newsletter-weekly

 

annabattler

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Good artical about the carrier.

China's neighbors, particularly Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines, have responded with tough talk and posturing of their own. Last year China and Japan sparred over islands in the East China Sea that Japan administers and both nations claim, known as the Diaoyu to the Chinese and the Senkaku to the Japanese. When Japan detained a Chinese trawler captain near the islands, China cried foul. Two weeks later Japan released the fisherman, who returned to a hero's welcome in China. This summer, Chinese warships passed through international waters near Okinawa, which has unsettled Tokyo. Japan's latest white paper on national defense said Chinese military modernization, increased activities in Asian waters and lack of transparency "are becoming a cause for concern in the region and within the international community."
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2087973,00.html?xid=newsletter-weekly


For many years,the United States developed off shore issues...to distract the American people from their serious domestic issues,have them "rally round the flag",as it were.
Now,at long last,the American people are face to face with their very real homemade issues(debt,poverty,unemployment...poor self image)...this happens to many nations. And China will have to deal with their domestic issues,as well,no matter how many jets or aircraft carriers they produce. Things are simmering among the huge population of China...there will be a major upheaval there.