Truth is, I do think the mother should be punished. Any mother that sanctions sending their son to war should be. My first thought was she should be shot, but since she obviously supports Jihad, then maybe stoning would be more appropriate.
U.S. soldier kills up to 16 Afghan civilians
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He left his father and began further training and extremist education, on his own.
When I was 15, the only thing I knew about politics is what my father told me. The implications of politics didn't really begin to sink in until I was about 21. Wasn't his father killed in the action that got him caught?
How to win friends and influence people.
Indeed. Nothing like slaughtering a group of innocent civilians (that includes toddlers and kids) to win the "hearts and minds " of the nation being occupied.
One cannot blame the Afghans (regardless of persuasion) for being enraged.
Don't think the US would take too kindly if this happened in the US.
They have been living in war torn conditions for over a decade and these "incidents' just keep recurring as if they are part of the occupiers MO.
Didn't the invasion of Afghanistan have something to do with OBL who was not even in that country?? The stupidity of the original warmongers boggles the mind.
this is just another example of US arrogance ......which believes it can do whatever it wants to who ever it wants...without regard to the law, ethics or humanitarian principles. And that is what most of the rest of the world is reporting about this latest atrocity.
Somehow you confuse rogue action with official policy. Is this really the investigative nature of a "peace lover"?
I think his point was that the Afghan public won't make that distinction.
I also believe that most Afghan will see this senseless massacre by an American soldier as simply the latest senseless massacre in a long line of senseless massacres by American soldiers. I expect that most Afghans will blame all Americans for this massacre, in the same way that most Americans blamed all Muslims for the events of 9/11.
It would be unrealistic to expect most Afghans would be more informed, reasonable and tolerant than most Americans.
I also believe that most Afghan will see this senseless massacre by an American soldier as simply the latest senseless massacre in a long line of senseless massacres by American soldiers. I expect that most Afghans will blame all Americans for this massacre, in the same way that most Americans blamed all Muslims for the events of 9/11.
It would be unrealistic to expect most Afghans would be more informed, reasonable and tolerant than most Americans.
Do the Afghans really KNOW why the US invaded ??? What have they been told?? Didn't they have the right to defend themselves?? Do they not have the right to be angry at seeing these slaughters repeat themselves into the eleventh year?? What has their life been like over the past decade. Maybe they do not have the sophistication of the west........but they are people too, The reality is that NO ONE can come in and introduce change from the outside as there is no way of knowing exactly what stage they are at in devlopement and where they want to go.
Each such incident is not helping them or the US at all. It is not up to the Afghans to "win the hearts and influence others ). It was the invaders premise (or one of them ) when they entered their country.
Each such incident is not helping them or the US at all. It is not up to the Afghans to "win the hearts and influence others ). It was the invaders premise (or one of them ) when they entered their country.
Do you have any clue what Americans did to illegal combatants? We never saw all the pictures from Abu Ghraib and other Black Op sites. My understanding that American abuses included endless water boardings, beatings, dog attacks, rape, shackling in stress positions for days-weeks... Some detainees died slow and painful deaths at the hands of American soldiers. Here are the resulting charges and convictions:
Lieutenant Colonel Steven L. Jordan became the highest ranking officer to have charges brought against him in connection with the Abu Ghraib abuse on April 29, 2006.[55] Prior to his trial, eight of twelve charges against him were dismissed, two of the most serious after Major General George Fay admitted that he did not read Jordan his rights before interviewing him in reference to the abuses that had taken place. On August 28, 2007, Jordan was acquitted of all charges related to prisoner mistreatment and received a reprimand for disobeying an order not to discuss a 2004 investigation into the allegations.[56]
Specialist Charles Graner was found guilty on January 14, 2005 of conspiracy to maltreat detainees, failing to protect detainees from abuse, cruelty, and maltreatment, as well as charges of assault, indecency, adultery, and obstruction of justice. On January 15, 2005, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison, dishonorable discharge and reduction in rank to private.[57][58] Graner was paroled from the US military's Fort Leavenworth prison on 6 August 2011 after serving six-and-a-half years.[59]
Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick pled guilty on October 20, 2004 to conspiracy, dereliction of duty, maltreatment of detainees, assault and committing an indecent act in exchange for other charges being dropped. His abuses included forcing three prisoners to masturbate. He also punched one prisoner so hard in the chest that he needed resuscitation. He was sentenced to eight years in prison, forfeiture of pay, a dishonorable discharge and a reduction in rank to private.[60]
Sergeant Javal Davis pled guilty February 4, 2005 to dereliction of duty, making false official statements and battery. He was sentenced to six months in prison, a reduction in rank to private, and a bad conduct discharge.
Specialist Jeremy Sivits was sentenced on May 19, 2004 by a special court-martial to the maximum one-year sentence, in addition to a bad conduct discharge and a reduction of rank to private, upon his plea of guilty.[61]
Specialist Armin Cruz was sentenced on September 11, 2004 to eight months confinement, reduction in rank to private and a bad conduct discharge in exchange for his testimony against other soldiers.[62]
Specialist Sabrina Harman was sentenced on May 17, 2005 to six months in prison and a bad conduct discharge after being convicted on six of the seven counts. She had faced a maximum sentence of five years.[63] Harman served her sentence at Naval Consolidated Brig, Miramar.[64]
Specialist Megan Ambuhl was convicted on October 30, 2004, of dereliction of duty and sentenced to reduction in rank to private and loss of a half-month’s pay.[65]
Private First Class Lynndie England was convicted on September 26, 2005, of one count of conspiracy, four counts of maltreating detainees and one count of committing an indecent act. She was acquitted on a second conspiracy count. England had faced a maximum sentence of ten years. She was sentenced on September 27, 2005, to three years confinement, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to Private (E-1) and received a dishonorable discharge.[60] England had served her sentence at Naval Consolidated Brig, Miramar.[66]
Sergeant Santos Cardona was convicted of dereliction of duty and aggravated assault, the equivalent of a felony in the US civilian justice system. He served 90 days of hard labor at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. He was then transferred to a new unit where he trained Iraqi police.[67] Cardona was unable to re-enlist due to the conviction, and left the army in 2007. In 2009, he was killed in action while working as a government contractor in Afghanistan.
Specialist Roman Krol pled guilty on February 1, 2005 to conspiracy and maltreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib. He was sentenced to ten months confinement, reduction in rank to private, and a bad conduct discharge.[68]
Specialist Israel Rivera, who was present during abuse on October 25, was under investigation but was never charged and testified against other soldiers.
Sergeant Michael Smith was found guilty on March 21, 2006 of two counts of prisoner maltreatment, one count of simple assault, one count of conspiracy to maltreat, one count of dereliction of duty and a final charge of an indecent act, and sentenced to 179 days in prison, a fine of $2,250, a demotion to private, and a bad conduct discharge.
Only when utilized on a racially selective basis as it is done so often in the States as we have discussed on other threads. Any other time, BRING ON THE HANGMAN!
It is time that the US paid attention to its own behavior as that is the only behavior they have control over. Time to stop looking for excuses to do the dastardly things the US troops have been doing....
It is long over due that the US should have been out of there . and yet it keeps coming up with excuses to stay. and occupy.
that alone is enough to diss the Afghans off. They cannot ever be free to create the country they want based on their culture etc etc until all fragments of the occupier is gone. Unfortunately the occupier wants to create their dependancy on the US .....so that they will begin to feel they can't function with out the US . No one is addressing that aspect of this dynamic.
Remember: if American troops or civilians are beheaded in revenge........ it is a direct result of the american 's dastardly actions. Seems to be long overdue that the US take ownership of what it has done and continues to do and start making some repairs.
Heck............just let Nancy Grace handle the prosecution of this killer./murderer You know how she gets about children being abused and killed. Slaughtering a toddler and other very young kids goes so far into the barbaric realm , it is hard to grasp.
Justice Nancy style.........is as close to hanging by the gonads as it gets.
That's a relief, I was worried that most Afghani's might blame all Americans for the massacre.
Not so sure about that anymore. IF that principle truly applied .......then those assassinated by special ops have committed a major international crime....... Where was the right to a fair trial for those slaughtered like animals by US forces???
You see........the US has set a precident now that makes the right to a fair trial a joke. (when it relates to any american involvement ) Other nations (in the civilized world ) still have a modicum of humanitarian law in place.
Don't be ridiculous.
Despite its xcurrent problems, the USA is one of the freeest nations on earth.
This guy is serving in the US military, so that is how he should be tried.
Some people (Osama) don't get trials, as they are combatants....NOT criminals.
You know as well as anyone that it was the Bush administration that devised the "enemy combatant" designation to contravene due process and the Geneva Convention's rules on treatment of prisoners of war...
I would like to see the people involved accused, arrested, charged and prosecuted where the offence took place. This sounds like a home invasion with a gun where home invaders shot and killed sixteen people, including small children and girls. I think it would be a huge mistake to pretend that he was an on duty soldier that temporarily lost his mind. That is not what happened. This was a certified soldier that went awol while in Afghanistan. No excuses should be made.
Has the military lost its guts or something?
How can this be viewed as anything other than an AWOL that had nothing to do with military decisions. The guy needs to be terminated, not coddled in a happy soldier's prison in a country that enjoys capital punishment for locals that commit the same crime. The US needs to stop pretending that when their citizens commit really horrible crimes in foreign countries, they are safe in the US. It kind of gives the message that it's okay to commit crimes in foreign countries (Amanda Knox).
Has the military lost its guts or something?
How can this be viewed as anything other than an AWOL that had nothing to do with military decisions. The guy needs to be terminated, not coddled in a happy soldier's prison in a country that enjoys capital punishment for locals that commit the same crime. The US needs to stop pretending that when their citizens commit really horrible crimes in foreign countries, they are safe in the US. It kind of gives the message that it's okay to commit crimes in foreign countries (Amanda Knox).
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Good post , A.
seems that this time, the powers that be will have a challenge spinning this one so as to put it under a more favorable light........ie excuse it on some made up grounds.
Some have the nerve to suggest he had been drinking......implying that booze was behind such an atrocious act. BS.
even if it were true or that he was stoned out of his head........It was HE that did the drinking /drugging by choice and other choices followed ....
This killer is totally responsible for this act. The military can no longer protect these misfits and deal with them quickly, smartly and appropriately. Or send him back to Afghanistan where HE COMMITTED THE CRIME. And let him take his chances there.
seems that this time, the powers that be will have a challenge spinning this one so as to put it under a more favorable light........ie excuse it on some made up grounds.
Some have the nerve to suggest he had been drinking......implying that booze was behind such an atrocious act. BS.
even if it were true or that he was stoned out of his head........It was HE that did the drinking /drugging by choice and other choices followed ....
This killer is totally responsible for this act. The military can no longer protect these misfits and deal with them quickly, smartly and appropriately. Or send him back to Afghanistan where HE COMMITTED THE CRIME. And let him take his chances there.