U.S. soldier kills up to 16 Afghan civilians
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I prefer the US do the right thing. Send him back to Afghanistan where the crime was committed and let the Afghans decide what is just.
I am against capital punishment, but the crime was committed in Afghanistan by someone who was AWOL.... allegedly. Such a decision would improve the US's standing in the eyes of Afghans, who currently believe Americans have two standards of justice. One that applies to them (assassinations, torture, no due process) and another than applies to American soldiers (able to commit murder, torture and other atrocities with impunity). examples Haditha and Abu Ghraib where few people were held accountable for torture and murder.
If you think the Americans are being just then let's switch it around.
If an Afghan soldier killed a bunch of American women and children in the US, would you support that soldier facing justice in Afghanistan by an Afghan military tribunal or would you want him to face American justice for committing a crime in the US?
I believe the most likely outcome of this incident will be that this soldier will be judged not guilty by reason of insanity. He will be a free man within a few years.
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Clearly you are against fair trials, for capital punishment. It would be a show trial - Something you would love to see.
If we ignore all the actual things that would have to be, to make it so. I say send him back to Afghanistan to face a Court Martial.
As soon as the soldier went AWOL, he was a tourist visiting Afghanistan and should be treated as such.
If you want to be taken seriously...learn to post a bloody link, instead of putting a copy and paste in quotations..
You're against Capital Punishment? Impossible... absolutely impossible. His sentence would assuredly be death and if you were to be the one making that decision you may as well kill him yourself.
If Afghan soldiers were here in the US under the same circumstances 100%, and I supported what the Afghans were doing... I'd understand the Afghans meeting out their own justice to their own.
You HOPE that is going to happen is more like it.
This guy is not going to be found insane. Do you know how hard that is to prove?
What else would he be charged with. Does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out now does it?
You really don't know how serious a charge AWOL is do you? It's enough for his employer to have first go at him.
And for you as well.
What else would he be charged with. Does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out now does it?
Tell me what else you thought he should be charged with. Really ffn dumb.
Are you that soft? As Wolf pointed out...UA (awol) is very serious and you're not a tourist. You are a soldier who is under UA status... but you're still a soldier (Marine, sailor, etc).
And when they get you... you're screwed.
We'll see. I predict an outcome similar to Hathitha and Abu Ghraib. Somehere between 90 and 521 days. Good luck winning Afghan hearts and minds after this one.
Have you and your opinion not been sent to the shxttxr often enough. You must like being dumb
If Haditha is used as an example, then he will get a slap on the wrist at the most.
Keep on running - You and EAO are the same.
And you are claim to be a pacifist yet threaten to beat the crapola out of people. 1 punch or push can kill.
Or are you a selective violent Pacifist - You being and have the sole right to select when and why you will use violence.
pac·i·fism (ps-fzm)
n.
1. The belief that disputes between nations should and can be settled peacefully.
2.
a. Opposition to war or violence as a means of resolving disputes.
b. Such opposition demonstrated by refusal to participate in military action
Pacifism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pacifism covers a spectrum of views, including the belief that international disputes can and should be peacefully resolved, calls for the abolition of the institutions of the military and war, opposition to any organization of society through governmental force (anarchist or libertarian pacifism), rejection of the use of physical violence to obtain political, economic or social goals, the obliteration of force except in cases where it is absolutely necessary to advance the cause of peace, and opposition to violence under any circumstance, even defense of self and others. Historians of pacifism Peter Brock and Thomas Paul Socknat define pacifism "in the sense generally accepted in English-speaking areas" as "an unconditional rejection of all forms of warfare".[2] Philosopher Jenny Teichman defines the main form of pacifism as "anti-warism", the rejection of all forms of warfare.[3] Teichman's beliefs have been summarized by Brian Orend as "...A pacifist rejects war and believes there are no moral grounds which can justify resorting to war. War, for the pacifist, is always wrong." The whole theory is based on the idea that the end does NOT justify the means.[4]
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How about commenting on the statement that you quoted rather than running away at the mouth spouting crap that doesn't pertain. Or are you incapable of cognizant thought?
The Folly of Soldier Worship « Antiwar.com Blog
Truisms in above article. This same hero worship., of the troops is a component of why troops believe they can do as they wish and get away with it. The public has gone way overboard in this hero worship and has lost perspective . thus becoming the enabler of such dastardly acts.
........one wonders how many horrific atrocities the public is protected from. (again......enabling the troops to belief the rules don't apply to them as their self importance is exaggerated by the hero worship of their culture.
Other empires felt the same kind of power and gradually lost all integrety ,respect etc. The deterioration the world is seeing now of the current empire is vivid to most descerning thinkers and observers.
the problem IMHO.....is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. The entire world population is in a crisis .....and the elective invasions, the atrocities by the invaders , the economy disaster are all symptoms of this crisis.
It has been too late for that for some time. It was one of the most stupid slogans to come out of washington anyhow.
Winning the hearts and minds of a population of a different culture , in a far off land by invading and warring on it. No rational being would swallow that Bull crap. Only an idiot would say it out loud.
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