Two years into the Trudeau 2.0 Minority Term, which day will Justin call the election that only he wants?

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Breakfast TV in Toronto gives daily updates as to where the leaders are campaigning.....No ention of Trudaeu, just the other 3....Is he pulling a Biden, hiding in the basement and depending on Dominion to win this for him?.......lol
Also, any mention of debates? I haven't heard anything
 

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Breakfast TV in Toronto gives daily updates as to where the leaders are campaigning.....No ention of Trudaeu, just the other 3....Is he pulling a Biden, hiding in the basement and depending on Dominion to win this for him?.......lol
Also, any mention of debates? I haven't heard anything
I have heard that there will be three debates in the next week or so. The first two in French for the 1/4 of French Speaking Canadians (=Quebec), & then one English debate for the other 3/4 of Canada.
 

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John Robson: Want to avoid rage on the campaign trail, Mr. Trudeau? Stop being so infuriating

Apparently rage in politics is suddenly uncool now that it’s directed at progressives. But while advice on anger from columnists might seem like a lecture on demon rum from a guy face-down on the Skid Row cobblestones, at least we know where the shoals are. And frankly if we’re serious about this problem we must take two essential steps: don’t be infuriating and don’t be infuriated.

Both are harder than they sound. Take the PM’s sanctimony about a Tory candidate accused of groping, despite his own past. It’s infuriating. Like his brushing off holding an event flagrantly violating COVID restrictions, and attacking the Tories for having unvaccinated candidates when he does, too.

As Jonathan Kay wrote Tuesday, Trudeau doesn’t just accuse Canada of genocide, he says it’s happening on his watch so he should be re-elected. No wonder people who don’t monologue for a living are sputtering.

If I were to list all his infuriating deeds we’d need a bigger newspaper. But it’s not just Trudeau. And Gen Z is evidently seething, too, so despite the divisive “angry white men” trope it’s not just the dog-whistle Nazis alleged by epidemiologist David Fisman feeling the burn.

There’s Jagmeet Singh raving about the “ultra-rich.” There’s organizers letting the Bloc into debates while Maxime Bernier is shunned. And this business of declaring that any time the left wins, debate is “closed,” thus delegitimizing contrary views in the name of tolerance.

Or consider COVID. The endless inept improvisations are annoying. But it’s the hypocrisy that drives people round the bend. As Chris Selley reminded us in Tuesday’s Post, in March 2020 the Conservative health critic asked why no mandatory quarantine on hot spot travellers, and Trudeau sneered, “On this side of the aisle, we believe in science.” Then he flip-flopped, while continuing to call partisan foes vile dumbo nothings. It would make a plaster statue gag.

Then there’s blockades, where the rule of law clearly applies to conservatives only. As with trashing statues, why should only one side play by the rules?

This mockery of the rule of law scorns ordinary people’s efforts to live good if imperfect lives. And it’s hypocritical because with Ryerson or Queen Victoria it’s smash away but if someone went after the Famous Five, for their feminism or even their racist eugenics, there’d be outrage and prosecution.

Or the too-common nod and wink that while burning churches is deplorable it’s understandable. Which you sure wouldn’t get if someone burned a mosque.

According to the hugely divisive Gerald Butts, poor Justin “can’t get a message out” because of recent ugly protests. (In case you thought he’d been all over the news for ages, including that one-man-government-from-a-cottage.) But what about his oleaginous feminism/Aboriginality while crushing Jody Wilson-Raybould? And his now-you-see-it-now-you-don’t relativism about people experiencing things differently, rendered especially inflammatory by the habitual smirk.

In fact wokeness generally is a seething cauldron of rage, hate and hypocrisy. Identity politics condemns based on race or gender while preaching anti-racist gender-fluidity. Think people pulling alarms at Jordan Peterson events, or that lady with the garrotte, aren’t angry? Or scary? So where’s the outrage? Or even calls to calm down, let alone empathy?

Barack Obama declared himself a uniter not a divider then was so smugly partisan he drove people to elect Donald Trump. Whereupon many Canadian as well as American commentators engaged in an orgy of scorn and snobbery instead of trying to understand where misguided MAGA anger might be coming from.

So it’s infuriating. But the real problem isn’t the people who particularly annoy me, which doesn’t narrow the field much anyway. It’s that righteous indignation feels sooooo good you just can’t … Hang on. Is that actually wrath I’m indulging?

Yup. So here I try to throw cold water on you, and the back of my own neck. Because for 60 years now we’ve been told to let it all hang out but some of it needs tucking in. Ours as well as politicians.
 

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Breakfast TV in Toronto gives daily updates as to where the leaders are campaigning.....No ention of Trudaeu, just the other 3....Is he pulling a Biden, hiding in the basement and depending on Dominion to win this for him?.......lol
Also, any mention of debates? I haven't heard anything
We’re now in the run-up to the three leaders’ debates of the election campaign, of which the first two will be in French this Thursday and next Wednesday, with the one in English the following night. In effect, two-thirds of the six hours of prime time will be in the official language of one-fourth of Canadians.
 
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I have to laugh at people who keep saying that they don't want Canada to have a 2-tier health system when we already have it. It just needs improving.

"I have a newsflash for Trudeau and the Liberals – the majority of health spending in Canada is already delivered through private, for-profit health-care. To be specific, 55% of all health-care spending in Canada is not covered by public insurance." (from True North Candice Malcolm).
 

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We’re now in the run-up to the three leaders’ debates of the election campaign, of which the first two will be in French this Thursday and next Wednesday, with the one in English the following night. In effect, two-thirds of the six hours of prime time will be in the official language of one-fourth of Canadians.
Go where the needed votes are .
 

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I have to laugh at people who keep saying that they don't want Canada to have a 2-tier health system when we already have it. It just needs improving.

"I have a newsflash for Trudeau and the Liberals – the majority of health spending in Canada is already delivered through private, for-profit health-care. To be specific, 55% of all health-care spending in Canada is not covered by public insurance." (from True North Candice Malcolm).
Teeth, eyes and non-generic meds aren't universal. Ask anyone who has to cough up $150 a month for Xarelto and someone stuck on warfarin for the identical diagnosis if there isn't two tier coverage. On demand MRI with specialists or wait 6 weeks and hope the imaging analyst isn't hungover.

Minimal coverage to claim coverage is a farce.
 

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LILLEY: Trudeau stands by candidate accused of sexual misconduct
Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Publishing date:Aug 31, 2021 • 7 hours ago • 3 minute read • 92 Comments
We should have seen this coming, that we didn’t and were so unprepared is why so many Canadians are in shock today at the stories and images coming out of Afghanistan.
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Justin Trudeau’s moral compass, if it exists, is entirely situational and operates on a partisan footing.

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A day after saying that Canadians deserve to know if political candidates are facing serious allegations, Trudeau stood by a candidate of his own when serious allegations were revealed. Sadly, it’s not the first time Trudeau has shown a partisan bent on these issues.


A report by CBC details allegations of sexual harassment and an abusive attitude towards staff by MP Raj Saini.

“There have been rigorous processes undertaken that he has shared the details of,” Trudeau said Tuesday.

“We know that it is extremely important to take any allegation seriously, which we certainly have, and we always will because everyone deserves a safe workplace.”

It’s a very different attitude than he showed when asked about a Conservative candidate facing allegations the day before.

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On Monday, Trudeau was asked about Troy Myers, a now-former Conservative candidate in Halifax. The Conservatives turfed Myers after sexual allegations were made. Myers said the allegations were false and that he would fight to clear his name.

Trudeau was asked about Myers and whether his party would turf candidates facing allegations of a similar nature.

“Absolutely, Canadians deserve to know that the people standing up to represent them, to serve them in the House of Commons, are not people who’ve shown disrespect, or misbehaviour or are facing serious allegations,” Trudeau said.

He went on to talk about how under his leadership, the Liberals brought in a zero-tolerance policy for sexual harassment and misconduct.

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I wouldn’t exactly call it zero-tolerance. Trudeau has never dismissed himself as unsuitable for office despite his alleged groping of a reporter in the past. When Trudeau says there is no world where you don’t face consequences for past actions, he’s talking about others, not himself.

Of course, there is also the case of Marwan Tabbara, another Liberal MP from Kitchener and friend of Saini, who was allowed to run in the 2019 election despite allegations of inappropriate touching and directing lewd sexual comments at a female staffer. Tabarra was re-elected in 2019 and only left the Liberal caucus after charges of criminal harassment and assault were filed against him.

According to CBC’s detailed account of the new allegations against Saini, problems began at the Liberal Party’s 2015 Christmas party in Ottawa where both Saini and Tabbara were “handsy” with young female staff members. Four different women reported unwanted touching and even stalking like behaviour.

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Despite the women saying the issue was raised with senior Liberal staff, the party says they have no records of the incident. Both the party and Saini deny any wrongdoing and reject the allegations.

The Liberal MP and candidate also rejects allegations of abuse levelled by a former staff member who got to the point of attempting to take her own life and who has now filed a human rights complaint against Saini.

I don’t know if the allegations against him are legitimate; they have not been proven and everyone is entitled to fair process.

The problem that I have is with Trudeau once again, professing one thing and doing another. He is pious and sanctimonious in calling out others, especially from other parties, but defends his own team to the hilt.

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“When women speak up, it is our duty to listen to them and believe them,” Trudeau said in 2018, just months before his own alleged groping was revealed.

Now, he and the Liberals prefer to stand by their man and tell the women speaking up that they simply experienced it differently.
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Trudeau has stood by Liberal MP Raj Saini two days running after a report from CBC accused the two-time MP and current Liberal candidate of being “touchy” and “handsy” with women at work and having an abusive atmosphere in his office.


Saini denies the allegations which CBC says are backed up by seven different women. Trudeau, who has said voters deserve to know about allegations and that women should be believed, stood by Saini.

“Mr. Saini has shared details about the multiple processes that have gone through over the past many months and the efforts that have been made to demonstrate we are taking seriously every single concern that is raised,” Trudeau said Wednesday.

Yet the party didn’t reveal the allegations and kept deliberations internal until the story broke in the media. Trudeau’s former justice minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould blasted Trudeau and his handling of the file on Twitter.


On Wednesday, Wilson-Raybould tweeted out CBC’s detailed story on Saini and said she was not shocked by what she read.

“Anyone who has a responsibility to address this and does not is not fit to lead. Anyone who stands by and does nothing is complicit. Anyone who is surprised has not been paying attention,” Wilson-Raybould said.

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The NDP blasted Trudeau and his claims of being a feminist falling flat.

“Justin Trudeau did what he has done so many times before — he stood by his man,” NDP MP Lindsay Mathyssen said.

“There have been multiple allegations against this candidate, and clearly they haven’t been addressed properly.”

Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole, who dropped a candidate earlier this week when serious allegations were made, said Trudeau’s government has a culture of cover-up on this issue.

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“These are very serious allegations and troubling allegations. We need to make sure Parliament Hill is a place where people can come to serve their country, work in politics free from allegations and intimidation and workplace incidents,” O’Toole said.

Trudeau maintains that he has a zero-tolerance approach to issues of sexual misconduct but has himself been accused of groping a woman in the past. Trudeau has maintained he did not act inappropriately.
 
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Star Trudeau candidate calls her leader's lack of action indefensible
Marci Ien made the comments in debate on topic of the ban on sexually active gay men donating blood

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Former TV star turned Liberal MP and now candidate Marci Ien was taking part in a virtual debate on Wednesday in the Toronto Centre riding where she is seeking re-election.


During the debate, NDP candidate Brian Chang raised the fact the Trudeau Liberals have promised time and again to end a ban on sexually active gay men donating blood without ever acting on it. Trudeau made the promise in 2015 and 2019, though it is absent from the current Liberal platform.

Chang said it’s a question of basic human rights being ignored by the Liberals.

“I can’t give blood because I have sex with my boyfriend. I can’t donate organs,” Chang said. “The fact that we can’t get the Liberal government on board for these things to accelerate them and push for them is really problematic.”

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“I’m not even going to begin to defend this because I think you’re right,” Ien said in response.

Conservative candidate Ryan Lester then chimed in to call Trudeau’s inaction “indefensible.”

“Yeah, it is,” Ien said, “and I just got here.”


Ien won a byelection in 2020 to represent Toronto Centre after former MP and finance minister Bill Morneau resigned amid the WE Charity scandal and his own conflict of interest in that affair. The Liberals have held the riding since 1993 and tend to win by wide margins.

The issue of the blood ban is particularly pertinent in the riding, which is home to Toronto’s gay village and the largest LGBTQ community in Canada.

Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole has surprised many with his frequent calls on Trudeau to end the blood ban while Eric Duncan, a gay Conservative MP from Eastern Ontario, has led frequent attacks on Trudeau’s health minister, Patty Hajdu.

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OTTAWA—Weeks after he pulled the plug on his own minority government, Justin Trudeau predicted Thursday that Canadians could be back at the polls within 18 months if they don’t elect a majority.

During Thursday night’s French debate in Montreal, the Liberal leader was the sole man on stage who said a minority government could fall within two years of the federal election on Sept. 20. http://apple.news/AV48ULlxjSXW4LXLA9tq3yg

And for that, he blamed the Conservatives?

“The differences that we have with the Conservatives — on vaccines, on child care, on the environment — I think that we would maybe find ourselves in 18 months in another election if we had a minority government,” Trudeau said.

The Liberal leader, who dissolved Parliament to hold a snap election on Aug. 15, also cast doubt on the prospect of a coalition after the election, stating Canada has no history of such arrangements.

Jagmeet Singh, the NDP leader, also accused Trudeau of calling an election in a bid to win a majority government.

Trudeau fired back that it is “ridiculous” to suggest that, because a minority of people remain unvaccinated, Canadian democracy can’t progress with an election.

“Our democracy is more robust than you think,” Trudeau told O’Toole during a heated exchange in the early minutes of the debate.

Holy Shit Buddy….Pick a Lane already!!
 
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OTTAWA—Weeks after he pulled the plug on his own minority government, Justin Trudeau predicted Thursday that Canadians could be back at the polls within 18 months if they don’t elect a majority.

During Thursday night’s French debate in Montreal, the Liberal leader was the sole man on stage who said a minority government could fall within two years of the federal election on Sept. 20. http://apple.news/AV48ULlxjSXW4LXLA9tq3yg

And for that, he blamed the Conservatives?

“The differences that we have with the Conservatives — on vaccines, on child care, on the environment — I think that we would maybe find ourselves in 18 months in another election if we had a minority government,” Trudeau said.

The Liberal leader, who dissolved Parliament to hold a snap election on Aug. 15, also cast doubt on the prospect of a coalition after the election, stating Canada has no history of such arrangements.

Jagmeet Singh, the NDP leader, also accused Trudeau of calling an election in a bid to win a majority government.

Trudeau fired back that it is “ridiculous” to suggest that, because a minority of people remain unvaccinated, Canadian democracy can’t progress with an election.

“Our democracy is more robust than you think,” Trudeau told O’Toole during a heated exchange in the early minutes of the debate.

Holy Shit Buddy….Pick a Lane already!!
He is grasping at straws . And they appear to be eluding him .
 

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OTTAWA – As the federal election campaign enters week two, the Liberals are once again reminding Canadians that voting for the NDP will only help the scary Conservative Party leader, whoever he may be. http://thebeaverton.com/2021/08/lib...-vote-for-harper-i-mean-scheer-i-mean-otoole/

To my left leaning friends, at the end of the day this election is a choice between two options,” said Trudeau at a rally. “Do you want a government led by me, or one led by Stephen Harper, no Andrew Scheer, no Erin O’Toole.”

We must once again set aside our narrow differences to stop whatever evil man who happens to be leading the Conservative Party this time around.”

Rather than attempt to win over progressive votes through policy or meaningful electoral reform, the Liberals appear to be once again going with the ‘other guy worse’ strategy. Which, in fairness, has worked for Trudeau 100% of the time. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party have unveiled their 2021 election platform, full of commitments and spending promises they could have easily fulfilled at any time during their 6 years in power. http://thebeaverton.com/2021/09/lib...hings-they-could-have-easily-done-before-now/

Our platform will institute 10 dollars a day daycare, clean our waters and raise corporate taxes on wealthy banks,” yelled Trudeau over the screams of anti-vaxxers calling for him to be hanged, drawn and quartered. “All things we didn’t do before for some reason, but will now!”

In fairness we were quite busy planning for an election nobody wanted.”

We are very proud of our platform. And we think there is something in there for every Canadian. Even if you don’t benefit from any of our programs personally, you can make a fun betting game guessing which of these promises we’ll actually do!” added Trudeau.
 

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O'Toole a 'political freight train' as Conservatives take clear lead: Nanos​


TORONTO -- The Conservatives have opened a five-point lead and leader Erin O’Toole has surpassed Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau in popularity among voters, giving the Conservatives clear momentum going into the holiday weekend, according to nightly tracking conducted by Nanos Research for CTV News and the Globe and Mail.

According to the latest nightly tracking ending Thursday and released Friday morning, ballot support for the Conservatives is 35.7 per cent, compared with 30.7 per cent for the Liberals. The poll has a margin of error ± 2.8 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
 

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Canada’s federal election has reached the third week — the midway point. The Conservatives are ahead of the Liberals in every major opinion poll by three to six per cent. While these numbers should always be taken with a healthy grain of salt, it’s clear that Erin O’Toole’s political trajectory is currently soaring above Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau’s.

Many Canadians have already locked in their preferences. Their votes are secure, no matter what happens during the leaders’ debates or on the campaign trail. http://nationalpost.com/news/politi...-a-more-effective-prime-minister-than-trudeau

For undecided voters, this is the stage of an election where they start considering a leader’s political intangibles. What characteristics would make him/her trustworthy and effective? Does he/she have the proper balance of life and work experience? What is his/her knowledge of issues, both domestic and international? Is his/her political vision for the country realistic or unrealistic?

Finding appropriate answers to these questions (and others) may help undecided Canadians park their votes in a particular direction.

How do Trudeau and O’Toole compare?

Trudeau’s backstory is well known. He’s the son of the late former prime minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau (1968-1979, 1980-1984). He has a bachelor’s degree in literature from McGill University, bachelor of education degree from the University of British Columbia, and didn’t complete a master’s degree at McGill in environmental geography. He taught French, math and drama at Vancouver’s West Point Grey Academy (leaving for undisclosed reasons), and occasionally dabbled in politics. Trudeau was first elected to Parliament in 2008 in the Quebec-based riding of Papineau. He became leader of the third-place Liberals in 2013, and helped rebuild a party that some political commentators had left for dead. He defeated Stephen Harper and the Conservatives in 2015, and became the country’s 23rd prime minister.

The Conservative leader’s backstory is less familiar. He’s the son of John O’Toole, who worked in senior management roles at General Motors and later became a municipal councillor and Progressive Conservative MPP for Durham (1995-2014). Erin O’Toole holds an honours bachelor’s degree in political science and history from the Royal Military College in Canada, and a law degree from Dalhousie University. He’s worked in two law firms (Stikeman Elliott, Heenan Blaikie), and served as counsel for Gillette and Procter & Gamble.

O’Toole was first elected to Parliament in 2012 in the Ontario-based riding of Durham. He served as minister of veterans affairs under Harper and was a shadow minister for middle class prosperity and foreign affairs. He won the Conservative leadership on Aug. 24, 2020, on the third ballot over former cabinet minister Peter MacKay.

Trudeau has more political experience, whereas O’Toole’s life and work experience is superior. The difference comes when you take into account the intangibles. The latter seems to be miles ahead of the former.

O’Toole has presented himself as an intelligent, honest and friendly communicator. That’s his real personality, as many will attest. He’s used it to his advantage by refusing to modify his character to check certain boxes and please every Joe or Jane Lunchbucket. What you see is what you get.

His knowledge and experience is wide ranging, including law, business, foreign policy and the military. He balances fiscal and social conservatism, and takes moderate positions on such social issues as abortion. He supports small government and lower taxes, public-private synergies for health care and other social services and a market-based approach to rebuild our tattered economy. He favours a more muscular foreign policy where Canada leads rather than follows, creating a “big tent” policy for conservatives, libertarians and other right-leaning individuals, helping non-traditional Conservatives feel more comfortable with the party, and building alliances with everyone from Bay Street to blue-collar workers. His political vision for Canada seems realistic.

That’s quite the contrast to Trudeau.

The Liberal leader’s communication skills, which used to be one of his strong suits, have dissipated into a complex, multi-faceted web of blackface, fake feminism and carbon tax insanity. His leadership hasn’t been strong and determined, but rather weak and ineffective. His wasteful spending of taxpayer dollars may appeal to far-left types and millennials, but has turned off Conservatives and middle-of-the-road Liberals. His smug, know-it-all attitude — which is rather rich, considering he had little-to-no life experience — turns off Canadians. He doesn’t exude trust or confidence with many individuals, business leaders or even union bosses. His public spats with (mostly) female Liberal MPs and cabinet ministers has destroyed his ability to build solid working relationships. He’s shifted Canada back to the foreign policy kiddie table, and is widely viewed as more of a follower than leader on the international stage. His political vision for Canada has been unrealistic from the very start.

O’Toole therefore fits the role of a strong, effective leader and “man of the people” more on his worst day than Trudeau could ever hope to accomplish on his best day.

Is there enough time for Trudeau to reverse this trend? Yes, but the window is narrowing with each passing day. Leaders’ debates rarely have much of an impact. The old, tired Liberal strategy of selling Conservatives as extreme, out of touch and having a hidden agenda doesn’t have many buyers. If Trudeau can’t figure out how to counter O’Toole’s political acumen, the election dance at the midway point could feel the same after the final bow.