Two years into the Trudeau 2.0 Minority Term, which day will Justin call the election that only he wants?

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Yes, ‘cuz that’s so relevant to Canadians needs at this point. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will face mounting pressure from his caucus this week to step down from the leadership of the Liberal party.

A group of backbench MPs, primarily from Atlantic Canada and southwestern Ontario, are in discussions to formally release an ask for the prime minister to consider the future of the Liberal party in making a decision about whether to stay at the helm of it.

Though MPs for months have lamented behind closed doors, and yes even to reporters, that they were resigned in their belief the prime minister was staying on, things changed this week during caucus Wednesday.
The prime minister has been in Laos for most of the week, attending the ASEAN summit. The plane he is travelling in landed in Honolulu Friday evening for a refuelling.

The prime minister and his staff learned of these reports as they landed. About twenty minutes later, Trade Minister Mary Ng spoke to reporters travelling with the prime minister.

“I'm disappointed,” she said. “Because Canadians expect us to be focusing on Canadians and doing this work.”
Ng insisted the prime minister has her support.
“I have full confidence in Justin Trudeau as my leader.”
What is afoot — what the PMO also doesn’t want to leak out — is that there are several discussions within caucus about pressuring Trudeau to step down.
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Could this movement lead to something different? Will Trudeau prorogue Parliament to save his and his government's future? Or will he face the growing calls for him to go from an increasingly dissatisfied caucus? As PMO ponders how to mute the mutiny before it begins, MPs are left to wonder how long the prime minister can really hang on.
 

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Interesting question now. How many of the ones that are abandoning ship are already out, and how many are just nor running again?
The only people in caucus that would tell him to piss off are those already stepping aside . Any that are planning to run again needs the leader’s signature.
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Liberals will be entering a new parliamentary session next week with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau at the helm of the party, still 20 points behind in the polls with no apparent plan to reverse course and with its deal with the NDP ripped to shreds.
Northern Affairs Minister Dan Vandal, Sport Minister Carla Qualtrough and Filomena Tassi, minister for the federal economic development agency for Southern Ontario, all announced in social-media posts on Thursday that they would not put their names on the next ballot.

National Revenue Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau also won’t seek re-election, the senior Liberal source said. Ms. Bibeau’s office declined to comment on the matter, telling The Globe that she was out of the country on a family matter.
Anyhow, Liberals have not shied away from prorogation when faced with difficulties in the past.
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House Speaker Greg Fergus ruled that the government appears to have violated the vast powers of the Commons when it failed to surrender records on the so-called “green slush fund” so they could be turned over to the RCMP, even though the force doesn’t want them???
The Prime Minister has already lost two key members of his cabinet. In July, Mr. Trudeau’s long-time friend, then-labour minister Seamus O’Regan, announced that he wouldn’t seek re-election and resigned immediately from cabinet. He was replaced as minister by Steve MacKinnon.

Then two months later, Mr. Trudeau’s senior Quebec minister, Pablo Rodriguez, quit to run for the provincial Liberal leadership. Mr. Rodriguez was replaced as Transport Minister by Anita Anand, who now holds dual roles in cabinet. She is also Treasury Board President.
 

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Liberal fortunes are improving in the last week.
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The Foreign Election Interference Performance by Trudeau is paying off with his smoke & mirrors dramatic non-statement statement without any details to deflect attention to a “Look over there!” Position for the gullible and ill informed.
Of/Or & And/Or maybe if your Aunt had balls-type announcement. It’s improving the odds of the Liberal Party becoming the Official Opposition after this next election, whenever it takes place on October 20th 2025 And/Or October 27th, 2025.
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On Wednesday, Trudeau told the foreign interference commission, which was established last fall, that he has “the names of a number of parliamentarians, former parliamentarians and/or candidates in the Conservative Party of Canada who are engaged, or at high risk of (?), or for whom there is clear intelligence around, foreign interference.”
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Who these compromised Conservatives are, or how they “might” be compromised, Trudeau won’t say. His vague allegation is based on the work of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians (NSICOP), which reported in June that Chinese officials…
1729439809404.png…interfered twice in Conservative leadership races. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre can’t do anything to dispel it, because he won’t join NSICOP. And for good reason — it’s a trap.
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To receive full, unredacted NSICOP briefings — and with them, the names of anyone suspected of being under foreign influence — one must submit to a vow of silence that, if broken, attracts serious legal consequences. Poilievre can’t accept that gag because it could hinder his ability, as leader of the official Opposition, to hold the government to account. Former NDP leader Tom Mulcair agrees with this assessment.
Trudeau has used this opportunity to insinuate that Poilievre is playing a role in foreign interference by choosing to remain wilfully blind. On Wednesday, the prime minister bemoaned that Poilievre seems to have “absolutely no curiosity or openness in trying to figure out what happened or whether someone was compromised.” Well, that would probably change if Trudeau didn’t insist on finding loopholes to strangle the speech rights of parliamentarians.
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It's good that Pierre won't get the clearance because then he wouldn't be able to speak about it. Trudeau is just being an ass.
It’s good that the Conservatives pushed so damn hard to have a review of this for an interference issue….Or there wouldn’t be one. It would’ve just gotten swept under the rug like so many other things I’m sure we haven’t heard of.
 
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News today that they will exceed the forecasted $40 billion deficit for the year. We pay $75 million interest daily while our civil servants live like kings and queens.

It's not all good imo.
 
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So…”Rogue?” Liberal MPs give Trudeau a deadline of October 28th (?) 2024 which is this coming Monday to…something?
The bloc Québécois gave Trudeau a deadline of October 29th which is this coming Tuesday to capitulate to their demands.
The NDP will align their votes with Trudeau (if not the Liberals) regardless of what’s going on or what Singh says in public, but will the 3 or 60 or whatever Liberal MP’s that want Trudeau out like the rest of the majority of Canadians I’m assuming?

That means, because several in Trudeau‘s cabinet (not the Liberal Cabinet?) have already said that proroguing parliament will not happen….that that will happen today or tomorrow (before the weekend)? Or not?

How soon, if any of the above does or doesn’t happen, until the Conservatives introduce another confidence motion? Maybe Wednesday October 30th, 2024?

Liberals coming out of their caucus meeting where 20-60 (believe whatever number you want) wanted Trudeau gone, but nobody was brave enough to put their name beside it except for three of them…& Out of that came three names of three people that aren’t gonna run the next time around anyway, already have their pensions, so they have nothing to lose….

Did Trudeau threaten to have Freeland freeze their bank accounts or something? Bribe them all with…?….with what? Here’s a talking head speculating on the outcome of the caucus meeting while it was happening…& nobody knows nothing.
At least this, for the Liberals, is distracting from the SDTC Green Slush Fund Scandal & the fact that parliament has been tied up and unable to do anything for the last three weeks…& then the drama of emerging from the Liberal caucus meeting like…whatever that was… Lying about how strong and united the liberal party happens to be???
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Ironically, I could see with all the smoke & mirrors and confusion surrounding this, where some might think Trudeau is actually going to walk away, that support in the polls for the Liberal Party (not the Trudeau Party) might go up temporarily until it becomes clear Trudeau isn’t leaving.
 

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Cross the floor or ride out the remainder as indies.
Or take whatever the bribe was (& no idea but it’s probably based in tax dollars) and float it out for the next however long through the next dozen scandals until the next federal election?

Liberal MP’s (the back benchers that aren’t swimming in as much Trudeau stank as the cabinet) distancing themselves as much as possible from Trudeau might be there only political survival strategy on an individual basis. They are all complicit in the Trudeau stank, but at least as far as optics go…
 

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Or take whatever the bribe was (& no idea but it’s probably based in tax dollars) and float it out for the next however long through the next dozen scandals until the next federal election?

Liberal MP’s (the back benchers that aren’t swimming in as much Trudeau stank as the cabinet) distancing themselves as much as possible from Trudeau might be there only political survival strategy on an individual basis. They are all complicit in the Trudeau stank, but at least as far as optics go…
It could be key cabinet ministers walking out.

MPs who are popular regardless of affiliation do exist and can survive walking away or crossing the floor.

We'll find out soon enough.
 

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At least this, for the Liberals, is distracting from the SDTC Green Slush Fund Scandal & the fact that parliament has been tied up and unable to do anything for the last three weeks…& then the drama of emerging from the Liberal caucus meeting like…whatever that was… Lying about how strong and united the liberal party happens to be???
 

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The next election has to be held by October (but they’re not say’n 20th or 27th now…) 2025 but could happen any time before then…but it won’t. The cabinet will get an update on the status of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's supply and confidence non-coalition coalition that’s definitely Not a coalition-type coalition agreement with NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh.
Apparently, in March of this year, Liberal parliamentarians invited NDP MPs to a closed-door meeting at which they conspired to move next year’s election date back a week.

Why roll it back a week beyond that outside extreme date that the next federal election must be done on you ask? A week’s delay isn’t much. What’s the big deal?

Well, it’s not the principal, it’s the money.
That deal has helped the Liberals survive ALL confidence votes since 2022 with the NDP's help, in exchange for the Liberals implementing NDP priorities including dental care and the start of a national pharmacare program.
The Liberals and New Democrats concocted their plan to move the election from Oct. 20 to Oct. 27, just so 28 of their caucus mates would qualify for MP pensions of about $78,000 a year.

Members of Parliament must serve at least six years in order for their pensions to vest fully. For those MPs first elected in 2019, Oct. 20 would be a day or two too early. Therefore, for them to “earn” their full, tax-supported, lifelong payouts, they would have to be in office another week.
That deal is supposed to last until next spring when Jagmeet’s Pension comes to fruition.
But then Singh, in theory, very loudly & dramatically RIPPED up & TORE up the agreement type non-whatsoever…while campaigning for a riding in Winnipeg, & then voted with the liberals in lockstep on pretty much everything ever cents anyway.
The NDP are under more pressure to walk away from it, but they won’t, particularly following the Liberal's move last week to ask the Canada Industrial Relations Board to begin binding arbitration between the Teamsters union and the country's two big national railway companies, etc…
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Canada's housing crisis — driven by high interest rates and rapid immigration that exceeds housing supply growth — has added to the affordability crisis with average home prices and rents rising sharply in the last five years.
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Sean Fraser made an announcement Sunday in Halifax just ahead of a three-day cabinet retreat intended to prepare for the upcoming fall sitting of Parliament.
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"Making public lands available for home construction is going to reduce the cost of construction and in turn reduce the cost of living," Fraser said.
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Former military bases, Canada Post sites and federal office buildings are among the properties currently included in the public lands bank, many of which were previously set aside for sale as they are no longer in use. Good on them for finally listening!!!
View attachment 24312They haven’t said they’ll also include CBC buildings above, but that might have to wait until after the next election…but by stepping forward & using some of the policy ideas from the Conservative Party of Canada, it’s given the liberals more of a jump in the projection polls that I’ve seen for them in the last year!!
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Then, in order to cover their tracks in this little plot, the two parties came up with the excuse that next year, the festival of Diwali will fall on Oct. 20. The Liberals and New Democrats claimed it wouldn’t be fair to Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists for whom Diwali is a cultural celebration.

There was, though, no discussion of the fact that, if the original voting date was kept, the last week of campaigning would conflict with Thanksgiving 2025, or that Alberta municipal elections were also scheduled to be held Oct. 20. Whoopsies!!

Just Diwali was offered up as the excuse, undoubtedly because, in an ’Aha!’ moment, the Liberals and New Democrats thought they had found the perfect multicultural screen for their little pension subterfuge.

It’s not much of a stretch to imagine one of the secret plotters exclaiming, “Hey, guys, if anyone calls us out on this, we’ll just label them racists. That always works!”😉

BUT….BUT they could achieve the same goal by just having the election one week earlier…& not have to break the rules, and no controversy…BUT…many many Liberals & NDP’er rightly wouldn’t get their pensions because the Liberals & NDP would have actually followed the rules….

I’m guessing Quebec Liberal MP Sherry Romanado thought she’d come up with the perfect ‘Gotcha!’ moment this week when the Liberal-Lefty scheme was raised at the House Affairs Committee of the Commons.

“There are 32 Conservatives who were elected in 2019 who would benefit from this, too,” Romanado is reported as having said by Blacklock’s Reporter???
1730675014840.jpegBUT…BUT that’s an irrelevant smokescreen because…pretty much ALL of those Conservatives MP’s, & many other Conservative MP’s Are Not going to be losing their seats, so that’s just smoke and mirrors.
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Yes, Ma’am, you’re right. There are 32 Conservatives in the Class of ’19. But they are not likely to get punted by voters next election the way most Liberals and many Dippers are. The Conservatives are likely to be around another four years, so the date change is unlikely to affect their pension eligibility, one way or the other.

(Besides, Conservative MPs voted against the bill to change the election date)
If this proposal was designed out of cultural sensitivity and not just money-grubbing, why were only Liberals and New Democrats invited behind the curtain?

Not even Bloc MPs were invited. If the meeting had no nefarious motives, why the cloak-and-dagger routine?

This kind of ‘We’ll scratch your backs if you’ll scratch ours’ mentality is proof the Liberal-NDP non-aggression pact is back on, at least informally.

Frankly, the Liberals and the New Democrats are so alike mentally and ideologically that they don’t need a formal agreement to think and act (to spend and tax) together.

Although NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh made a big deal in early September of tearing up his formal supply-and-confidence agreement keeping the Justin Trudeau government in power, there has not been a moment since when the Liberals were in any danger of falling as a result of the NDP voting against them.

Indeed, this week, after the Bloc failed to extort pension and marketing board concessions from the Liberals, and Bloc Leader Yves-Francois Blanchet threatened to pull the government down, there was trusty old Singh saying Canadians didn’t want him to force an early election.

Pension revelations could cost taxpayers $4.7 million a year. That’s a good example of the high cost of the continuing Trudeau-Singh coalition.

The 45th Canadian federal election will take place on or before October 20, 2025, to elect members of the House of Commons to the 45th Canadian Parliament. The date of the vote is determined by the fixed-date provisions of the Canada Elections Act, which requires federal elections to be held on the third Monday in October in the fourth calendar year after the polling day of the previous election…BUT…a current government bill proposes to postpone the date to October 27, 2025 to avoid conflicting with Diwali???
 

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For the next federal election. Hopefully Much-Much sooner but…
 

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For the next federal election. Hopefully Much-Much sooner but…
Yes we need to pay our politicians well to attract the best and brightest , swindlers .
 

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For months, now, Trudeau has been very, very unpopular. The gap has been as much as 20 points, for more than a year. As such, he has thrown everything at the wall to see what would stick. Abortion, hidden agenda, foreign interference, you name it. But none of it has worked.
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Until now. Until Donald Trump came “roaring back,” as the New York Times put it, with a big, big win in the electoral college. The Republican presidential candidate becomes the first to win the popular vote in 20 years.
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But that’s American politics, which the commentariat will be endlessly debating for the next two years, until the 2026 midterms. Or, at least until JD Vance figures out a way to drive an aging Trump out using the 25th amendment???
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This writer helped win a few major majority governments up here in Canada. Along the way, I learned that Canadian voters have a very different set of priorities. And, today, I guarantee you – absolutely guarantee you — that many, many of them are full-on freaking out.
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Trudeau has been thrown a lifeline by millions of American voters who grabbed the steering wheel and yanked it to the right. At some point, the prime minister will come out looking somber and serious. He will stand before a gaggle of microphones.
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He will say three things. One, he will say that he has reached out to Donald Trump to offer his congratulations (I doubt he got through). Two, he will say that his government will continue to put the priorities of Canadians first, and continue to work closely with our most important ally and trading partner.
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And then, third – in response to a question from somebody at CBC or the Toronto Star – he will say that it is now more important than ever before that Canada has a progressive team to protect Canada’s interests. He will say that part with the appropriate level of drama and passion. He will say “progressive” 100 times, if he can.
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And you know what? Many Canadians – who to this point have deeply disliked Trudeau — will agree with that. And, soon enough, the polls will reflect that.
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Will it be enough to bridge a 20-point gap? Not right away.
But Trump’s MAGA party now controls the Senate and soon will control the House of Representatives. He will have total dominance.

In the coming months, Ukraine will slip under the waves, having been abandoned by the United States? Trump will look the other way as the Chinese Communist Party finally makes its move on Taiwan In the coming months, Europe will turn inward and NATO will be on its way to becoming a Wikipedia entry, and not much else.

It’s at that point that Canadians will really and truly start to freak out. And they will start considering who they should be voting for.

I do not believe, not for a moment, that Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is indifferent to the fate of Ukraine, Taiwan, NATO or global stability. I think he has grown in his job. I think it would be unfair to call him a Trumper.

But politics isn’t fair. And Justin Trudeau is going to be working very hard to give Pierre Poilievre a shiny new MAGA tattoo. It may even work.

Sometime during Tuesday night everything changed. For the United States, for Europe, and even for little old Canada. It’s about to get really bouncy.

And, if you look closely enough, you will see Justin Trudeau suppressing a smile. Oh yeah…&…despite spending several months invoking the name of Donald Trump as a political smear against the Pierre Poilievre Conservatives, Liberal cabinet ministers spent the morning reassuring Canadians that Trump’s return doesn’t represent some sort of a existential catastrophe north of the border.
 

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For months, now, Trudeau has been very, very unpopular. The gap has been as much as 20 points, for more than a year. As such, he has thrown everything at the wall to see what would stick. Abortion, hidden agenda, foreign interference, you name it. But none of it has worked.
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Until now. Until Donald Trump came “roaring back,” as the New York Times put it, with a big, big win in the electoral college. The Republican presidential candidate becomes the first to win the popular vote in 20 years.
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But that’s American politics, which the commentariat will be endlessly debating for the next two years, until the 2026 midterms. Or, at least until JD Vance figures out a way to drive an aging Trump out using the 25th amendment???
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This writer helped win a few major majority governments up here in Canada. Along the way, I learned that Canadian voters have a very different set of priorities. And, today, I guarantee you – absolutely guarantee you — that many, many of them are full-on freaking out.
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Trudeau has been thrown a lifeline by millions of American voters who grabbed the steering wheel and yanked it to the right. At some point, the prime minister will come out looking somber and serious. He will stand before a gaggle of microphones.
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He will say three things. One, he will say that he has reached out to Donald Trump to offer his congratulations (I doubt he got through). Two, he will say that his government will continue to put the priorities of Canadians first, and continue to work closely with our most important ally and trading partner.
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And then, third – in response to a question from somebody at CBC or the Toronto Star – he will say that it is now more important than ever before that Canada has a progressive team to protect Canada’s interests. He will say that part with the appropriate level of drama and passion. He will say “progressive” 100 times, if he can.
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And you know what? Many Canadians – who to this point have deeply disliked Trudeau — will agree with that. And, soon enough, the polls will reflect that.
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Will it be enough to bridge a 20-point gap? Not right away.
But Trump’s MAGA party now controls the Senate and soon will control the House of Representatives. He will have total dominance.

In the coming months, Ukraine will slip under the waves, having been abandoned by the United States? Trump will look the other way as the Chinese Communist Party finally makes its move on Taiwan In the coming months, Europe will turn inward and NATO will be on its way to becoming a Wikipedia entry, and not much else.

It’s at that point that Canadians will really and truly start to freak out. And they will start considering who they should be voting for.

I do not believe, not for a moment, that Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is indifferent to the fate of Ukraine, Taiwan, NATO or global stability. I think he has grown in his job. I think it would be unfair to call him a Trumper.

But politics isn’t fair. And Justin Trudeau is going to be working very hard to give Pierre Poilievre a shiny new MAGA tattoo. It may even work.

Sometime during Tuesday night everything changed. For the United States, for Europe, and even for little old Canada. It’s about to get really bouncy.

And, if you look closely enough, you will see Justin Trudeau suppressing a smile. Oh yeah…&…despite spending several months invoking the name of Donald Trump as a political smear against the Pierre Poilievre Conservatives, Liberal cabinet ministers spent the morning reassuring Canadians that Trump’s return doesn’t represent some sort of a existential catastrophe north of the border.
But Canadians are mostly fiscally conservative which has always been liberal strong point , campaigning from the left and governing from the right or center .If Trump is seen as being successful with his economic agenda that will play into conservatives hands . Time will tell .j