Turkey in warning to Israel: You have one day to apologize for Gaza flotilla raid

[Colpy]

Read the report. The people on the Mavi Maramara weren't the only ones the IDF attacked on the high seas that day. The IDF used force against people who were acting passively and non-violently on all ships. On the Mavi Marmara, the people on board were attacked in international waters outside of the blockade area just like the people on the other ships. The people on the other ships suffered serious injuries and were maltreated, even though they acted passively and non-violently. The IDF launched an unprovoked attack against the people on the Mavi Marmara. Because these people didn't act passively, some of them faced lethal consequences, even though they weren't using lethal force and in some cases may have already been subdued.

Also, the General Assembly established the UNHRC by adopting a resolution (A/RES/60/251) on 15 March 2006, in order to replace the previous UNCHR and adopted a number of changes to address concerns by the US, Israel and Canada that it was unfairly biased against Israel. It also made a good human rights record a requirement for membership. Canada was a member of the new committee until 2009. I consider them far more reliable than Jihadwatch, GreenFootballs, and other Islamaphobic sites which form the foundation of your irrational hate and fear of Muslims. At least the UNHRC has wide repreeentation and a diversity of viewpoints. Your hatesites all scream the same propaganda in unison.

THERE IS NO "BLOCKADE AREA".

Turkey expels Israeli ambassador over flotilla raid - The Globe and Mail

You've never even been in a fist fight, have you?? Much less been attacked with knives, and iron bars. OF COURSE an attack with clubs and knives allows lethal force to be used.........

On Friday, Turkey went a step further by putting military pacts with its erstwhile ally on ice.
“All military agreements have been suspended,” Mr. Davutoglu added.
Mr. Davutoglu said some of the report’s findings were questionable and that Turkey did not recognise the legitimacy of the blockade of Gaza.
“Turkey will take all measures which it sees as necessary for freedom of navigation in the eastern Mediterranean,” Mr. Davutoglu said.
“Turkey does not recognise Israel’s blockade of Gaza. It will secure the study of this blockade at the International Court of Justice. We are beginning initiatives to get the UN General Assembly moving (on this),” he added.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/02/turkey-expels-israeli-diplomats-after-un-report/

My emphasis.........

The Turks are looking for trouble.

The Blockade has already been found to be perfectly legal.

 

[AbtFet]

Let us know when Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and various other states apologize for supporting international terrorism perpetrated in the name of Allan.

Right after USA apologizes for their reckless foreign policy that creates these types of terrorists in the first place.

The Blockade has already been found to be perfectly legal.

By who?

 

[Colpy]

Right after USA apologizes for their reckless foreign policy that creates these types of terrorists in the first place.



By who?

They all ready apologized to Osama bin Laden.......a 63 grain apology delivered at 3100 feet per second....lol

It's a start.

You really can't read, can you???

Or you choose not to.......which is worse.

Israel’s Gaza Blockade Found Legal by UN; Force on Flotilla Was Excessive – Bloomberg | Current News World Web Source for News and Information

 

[petros]

Sorry, I grow tired of you, and EAO, and all the rest of the Jew-haters.

But here........a picture of your hero for you...........

http://www.holocaust-history.org/short-essays/himmler-480.jpg

Colpy is a Shahid too. He babbles on about "witnessing".

Shahid (Arabic: شَهيد ‎ šahīd, plural: شُهَداء šuhadāʾ, also anglicized as shaheed) is an Arabic word meaning "witness". It is a religious term in Islam, meaning both "witness" and "martyr." While a martyr may die as a consequence of fighting, a shahid is a "witness" because he gives his life out of passion for truth. The shahid exchanges himself for the divine and thereby becomes divine.[1] It is used as an honorific for Muslims who have laid down their life fulfilling a religious commandment, or have died fighting defending their country or protecting their family.

The same can be said for a Hasidim when they find "the light."

Which of the two definitions are being used in the videos?

 

[AbtFet]

They all ready apologized to Osama bin Laden.......a 63 grain apology delivered at 3100 feet per second....lol

It's a start.

You really can't read, can you???

Or you choose not to.......which is worse.

Israel’s Gaza Blockade Found Legal by UN; Force on Flotilla Was Excessive – Bloomberg | Current News World Web Source for News and Information

By the U.N ? I thought they were a joke? A bunch of Jew-haters? Hahaha

 

[TenPenny]

Right after USA apologizes for their reckless foreign policy that creates these types of terrorists in the first place.

So, by your own standards, Israel doesn't have to apologize yet. Perfect.

 

[Colpy]

By the U.N ? I thought they were a joke? A bunch of Jew-haters? Hahaha

IDIOT!

This was NOT the UNHRC.....which, if you could read, I accused of being about as impartial to Jews as was your hero, Mr. Himmler.

The larger United Nations is NOT sympathetic to Jews, but even they can not fly in the face of what is blatantly obvious.....Hamas in Gaza is engaged in hostilities with Israel, and that makes the blockade legal......

Now all they can do is complain that the Jews actually shoot people instead of allowing themselves to be stabbed and beaten to death........

Ah, for the good old days with Dr. Mengele at the yards in Auschwitz, eh????

 

[AbtFet]

Yah, when they agree with your stance they're ok . But if they disagree they're a bunch of Jew-haters. Gotchya.

 

[petros]

Well? Which definition of Sahid do you think is being used in the English translations?

 

[earth_as_one]

Are you fu cking nuts????

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers (With Sound) - YouTube

This is NO RESISTANCE??????

Show me ANY evidence people were shot in the back of the head while lying ion the ground....most of the killing was done by one Israeli sgt, who shot people while they were beating his downed comrades....yes, in the back of the head. Good for him.

You are getting more and more carried away in your Jew hatred.....that is the only plausible explanation for such a ridiculous assertion.

A lot more video images were taken during this event, than the little bit which was released by the IDF. It took 45 minutes from the time the IDF commandos first landed on the deck of the Mavi Marmara until it was completely subdued. Where is the rest of the video?

The fact is, most of the IDF video is missing. What they released has been edited and probably tampered with. The little bit they did release is out of context and may even be deliberately falsified. At a minimum, the above video is selective information propaganda that would not be allowed in a court of law as evidence. Raw, unedited video would be evidence. Israel has(had) this evidence, but they won't release it. If Israel has nothing to hide, then they should release all the raw video not just selected/edited/tampered parts which support their version of events. What happened before and after the above edited footage is just as important as what appears to have happened in the above video.

The committee investigating this incident for the UNHRC reported that they saw a video of the IDF shooting a person. He was armed with a fire hose when he was shot. A fire hose is not a lethal weapon. They also reported that some victims may have been shot after they had been subdued. In one case, the forensic evidence suggests the victim was laying face down at the time they were shot at close range to the back of the head. I've never seen a person laying face down attack someone. I suppose its possible, but the Israeli representative was not able to provide a logical explanation as to how someone laying face down can attack someone. The only reasonable explanation which matches the forensic evidence was that he was executed after he was subdued.

The IDF probably has videos of these events which could provide answers, because they videoed everything apparently, yet they have with held this evidence from the investigating committee? While that's not a clear admission of guilt, it does indicate they have something to hide.

 

[mentalfloss]

Just to clarify.. Is the IDF part of the Israeli military/government or online Israeli fanboys?

 

[EagleSmack]

Right after USA apologizes for their reckless foreign policy that creates these types of terrorists in the first place.

Obama spent his first year in office groveling to the world.

It looks like he's smartened up a tad bit now... in that category anyways.

 

[Colpy]

A lot more video images were taken during this event, than the little bit which was released by the IDF. It took 45 minutes from the time the IDF commandos first landed on the deck of the Mavi Marmara until it was completely subdued. Where is the rest of the video?

The fact is, most of the IDF video is missing. What they released has been edited and probably tampered with. The little bit they did release is out of context and may even be deliberately falsified. At a minimum, the above video is selective information propaganda that would not be allowed in a court of law as evidence. Raw, unedited video would be evidence. Israel has(had) this evidence, but they won't release it. If Israel has nothing to hide, then they should release all the raw video not just selected/edited/tampered parts which support their version of events. What happened before and after the above edited footage is just as important as what appears to have happened in the above video.

The committee investigating this incident for the UNHRC reported that they saw a video of the IDF shooting a person. He was armed with a fire hose when he was shot. A fire hose is not a lethal weapon. They also reported that some victims may have been shot after they had been subdued. In one case, the forensic evidence suggests the victim was laying face down at the time they were shot at close range to the back of the head. I've never seen a person laying face down attack someone. I suppose its possible, but the Israeli representative was not able to provide a logical explanation as to how someone laying face down can attack someone. The only reasonable explanation which matches the forensic evidence was that he was executed after he was subdued.

The IDF probably has videos of these events which could provide answers, because they videoed everything apparently, yet they have with held this evidence from the investigating committee? While that's not a clear admission of guilt, it does indicate they have something to hide.

EAO, first of all, the only thing an investigator could establish is the path of the bullet inside the head........the position of the body at that time is pure conjecture.........shot in the back of the head from above and behind is absolutely in line with a shot fired at an enemy leaned over a downed IDF soldier to stab or beat him......which is exactly the scenario described.

If you are being attacked on the deck of a ship and are in danger of being swept overboard in a blast of high pressure water, or in a struggle in which losing your footing puts you at the mercy of knife and club wielding Islama-loonies..., then YES a fire hose is a lethal weapon.

 

[DaSleeper]

Obama spent his first year in office groveling to the world.

It looks like he's smartened up a tad bit now... in that category anyways.

Yep....He foud out that there is no way to placate them muslim extremists.. It took an underwear bomber, a New York attempt and Fort Hood and a few more to smarten him up......

Israel won't take any of that shyte anymore, and I don't blame them.

 

[AbtFet]

Obama spent his first year in office groveling to the world.

It looks like he's smartened up a tad bit now... in that category anyways.

Sending more troops into Afghanistan
Approving the bombing of Libya
Approving of an illegal raid on a compound in Pakistan without the Pakistani's consent
ETC ETC.........


No, it doesn't matter who is president, foreign policy never changes.

 

[DaSleeper]

You like Palestine so much......?
Move there..

 

[earth_as_one]

IDIOT!

This was NOT the UNHRC.....which, if you could read, I accused of being about as impartial to Jews as was your hero, Mr. Himmler.

The larger United Nations is NOT sympathetic to Jews, but even they can not fly in the face of what is blatantly obvious.....Hamas in Gaza is engaged in hostilities with Israel, and that makes the blockade legal......

Now all they can do is complain that the Jews actually shoot people instead of allowing themselves to be stabbed and beaten to death........

Ah, for the good old days with Dr. Mengele at the yards in Auschwitz, eh????

Your information is dated.

The United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) is an inter-governmental body withi the United Nations System. The UNHRC is the successor to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR, herein CHR), and is a subsidiary body of the United Nations General Assembly. The council works closely with the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) and engages the United Nations' Special Procedures.

The General Assembly established the UNHRC by adopting a resolution (A/RES/60/251) on 15 March 2006, in order to replace the previous CHR, which had been heavily criticised for allowing countries with poor human rights records to be members.[1][2]

The members of the new version of this committee include the US, the UK, Switzerland and other well known Jew hating countries... Canada was a member of the new Council until last year when our term expired.
United Nations Human Rights Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EAO, first of all, the only thing an investigator could establish is the path of the bullet inside the head........the position of the body at that time is pure conjecture.........shot in the back of the head from above and behind is absolutely in line with a shot fired at an enemy leaned over a downed IDF soldier to stab or beat him......which is exactly the scenario described.

If you are being attacked on the deck of a ship and are in danger of being swept overboard in a blast of high pressure water, or in a struggle in which losing your footing puts you at the mercy of knife and club wielding Islama-loonies..., then YES a fire hose is a lethal weapon.

That would mean the IDF has nothing to loose by releasing the complete unedited versions of their videos and the confiscated videos. But they won't release the raw videos, which is a big clue about their contents...

Here is a quote from the report:

At least one of those killed, Furkan Doğan, was shot at extremely close range.427 Mr. Doğan sustained wounds to the face, back of the skull, back and left leg. That suggests he may already have been lying wounded when the fatal shot was delivered, as suggested by witness accounts to that effect.

Witness testimony backed up by forensic evidence is enough to convict someone in most courts.

Also:

No evidence has been provided to establish that any of the deceased were armed with lethal weapons.429 Video footage shows one passenger430 holding only an open fire hose being killed by a single shot to the head or throat fired from a speedboat.431

Regarding bias of this committee, I doubt the former New Zealand PM who chaired this committeed and put his name on this report is biased Israel.

 

[Colpy]

Your information is dated.

The United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) is an inter-governmental body withi the United Nations System. The UNHRC is the successor to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR, herein CHR), and is a subsidiary body of the United Nations General Assembly. The council works closely with the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) and engages the United Nations' Special Procedures.

The General Assembly established the UNHRC by adopting a resolution (A/RES/60/251) on 15 March 2006, in order to replace the previous CHR, which had been heavily criticised for allowing countries with poor human rights records to be members.[1][2]

The members of the new version of this committee include the US, the UK, Switzerland and other well known Jew hating countries... Canada was a member of the new Council until last year when our term expired.
United Nations Human Rights Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Regarding bias of this committee, I doubt the former New Zealand PM who chaired this committeed and put his name on this report is biased Israel.

No, my friend, YOU are out of date......

UNHRC abuses human rights - JPost - Opinion - Op-Eds

Ban Ki-moon criticizes UN Human Rights Council for singling Israel out - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

But since 2006, the review of human rights abuses by Israel was made a permanent feature of every council session. No other country is subject to a permanent review. In 2010, Canadian politician Irwin Cotler wrote:

...in an appalling breach of its own principles and procedures, the UN Human Rights Council has institutionalised a permanent agenda item indicting one member state -- agenda item No 7, which speaks of "Israeli human rights violations in the occupied Palestinian territories" -- while agenda item No 8 speaks of "human rights violations in the rest of the world". Here is an Alice in Wonderland situation where the conviction is secured before the hearing begins.[107]
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Israel, Palestine, and the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AbtFet]

You like Palestine so much......?
Move there..

I think Palestine could be a great place to live, Israel doesn't make it very easy though..

 

[petros]

18 days....