Trudeau 'welcomes' ethics probe of alleged PMO interference in SNC-Lavalin case

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When she was made AG why did she not resign as Minister of Justice as that is not independent from 'the Government'??
 

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For those who may have missed it - a summary of Geppetto's testimony.


Gerald Butts testifies at Commons justice committee: Key updates

Butts says the January cabinet shuffle had nothing to do with the SNC-Lavalin affair at all, but rather was prompted by an unexpected, and swift, departure of former Nova Scotia minister Scott Brison. Butts says the prime minister had already made his pre-election shuffle and was happy with the existing lineup.

At first, Trudeau wanted to move Wilson-Raybould to the Indigenous Services portfolio, but she did something Butts says he has never seen before in government: she refused the position outright, saying she spent her whole career fighting the Indian Act.

Butts says he is not here to "quarrel with the former attorney general or say a single negative word about her personally," but adds that at all times, the Prime Minister's Office believed the decision to direct the director of public prosecutions to sign a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) with SNC-Lavalin would be hers to make.

Butts says because so many jobs are at stake — more than 9,000 direct jobs, but also the many in the company's supply chain — people in government suggested Wilson-Raybould should solicit outside legal counsel on whether it was appropriate for her to pursue a DPA.

Butts says Wilson-Raybould should have raised any and all concerns about what she has described as inappropriate pressure with the prime minister directly.

Butts said there was no co-ordinated effort inside the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) to pressure Wilson-Raybould to overrule the director of public prosecutions and negotiate a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) with SNC-Lavalin so it could avoid a trial over allegations it used bribery to secure government contracts in Libya.

"Absolutely not," he said when asked if he or anyone else exerted such influence on the former minister. "I really don't have an opinion on what decision the current or former attorney general should make. I'm glad I'm not in their shoes."

Butts also categorically denied that Wilson-Raybould was removed from cabinet because of her refusal to pursue a DPA — as she herself said under questioning last week — and said rather the shuffle was prompted solely by former Treasury Board president Scott Brison's unexpected December resignation.

Butts said he was not aware of her apparent discomfort about lobbying efforts on the SNC-Lavalin file until she was removed from the Justice portfolio in January 2019 as part of that shuffle.

Under questioning from NDP MP Charlie Angus, Butts said he has a "very different version of events" than does the former attorney general and would not "cast aspersions" on a former colleague for what he called her subjective take on the matter.

"What I am here to do is to give evidence that what happened last fall is in fact very different from the version of events you heard last week," he said.

Reading from text messages he exchanged with Wilson-Raybould, Butts told the committee that the only meeting he had with her on the issue was held at her request. Wilson-Raybould had testified that they both had sought out the Dec. 5 meeting at Ottawa's Chateau Laurier.

"Hey there GB — do you want to chat? I have a number of things to bring up … maybe you do as well? Tomorrow after Cabinet perhaps? Thx Jod," the text message from Wilson-Raybould said.

Butts suggested that if Wilson-Raybould requested the sit-down — which was to include discussion of files other than SNC-Lavalin — it would be unfair to say he personally had pressured her to take a particular course of action on the prosecution.

Butts said the government encouraged Wilson-Raybould to hire outside legal counsel — like former Supreme Court chief justice Beverley McLachlin — to solicit advice on whether she should sign a DPA.

"This was a novel law. It was the first time it had ever been used," Butts said.

Butts said the Prime Minister's Office wanted Wilson-Raybould to consider all options, given the potential for grave economic consequences for the company if it were convicted of the criminal offences.

"In a case like this when so many people's livelihoods are stake ... we took a really hard look at it because you want to be able, when you go knock on your doors on the weekend, you wanted to be able to look employees and pensioners in the eye and say, 'We gave this a good hard look.' That's all that was motivating us," he said.

Butts said the former attorney-general never made it clear to him that she had come to a final conclusion on the matter, adding he first learned she was not open to further intervention on this file from her appearance before the committee last week.

If Wilson-Raybould felt if the lobbying efforts to get her to consider hiring legal counsel for a second opinion on a DPA crossed the line, he said, "she had an obligation to at least inform the prime minister in writing."

Butts said he doesn't understand why Wilson-Raybould continued to accept meetings on the matter months after she is said to have made a final decision not to pursue a DPA.

"Why would there be a next step at all? Why would the Attorney-General take and solicit meetings on a closed matter?" Butts said.

Asked whether it was appropriate to mention an upcoming provincial election in Quebec in discussions about signing a DPA — something Wilson-Raybould said happened — Butts said public policy decisions are not made on the basis of electoral fortunes alone, and noted that the government concluded its NAFTA negotiations by agreeing to controversial dairy provisions that don't sit well with farmers in Quebec.

Under questioning from Conservative MP Lisa Raitt, Butts said the PMO was principally concerned about the fact that Wilson-Raybould only considered whether to pursue a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) for 12 days.

According to Wilson-Raybould's version of events last week, the director of public prosecutions decided on Sept. 4 not to pursue a DPA with SNC-Lavalin and Wilson-Raybould came to a similar conclusion on Sept. 16.

Speaking of his childhood in Cape Breton, where coal mining was once the dominant industrial employment, Butts said he hoped Ottawa considered the matter of closing the then Crown-owned coal operations for more than 12 days. When Cape Breton Development Corporation (DEVCO), the federal Crown corporation that ran the island's mines, wound down its operations, thousands of people lost their jobs.

Butts said Wilson-Raybould never told him she had made a final decision on this file by that date, which explains why lobbying efforts continued.

"My understanding is that nobody in the PMO or PCO [Privy Council Office] knew that at the time either. In fact, it is not to my knowledge how the law works. My understanding, which was informed by the public service and lawyers in the PMO, is that the attorney general's power to direct the DPP extends until the time a verdict is rendered," Butts said.

"My further understanding is that the attorney general is free to take advice on the decision until that point, and is obligated to bring fresh eyes to new evidence," he said.

Butts said the government suggested outside legal advice because the legislation allowing for a DPA was so new; it had only just been passed as part of omnibus budget legislation less than six months earlier, in spring 2018.

Butts said he believes Wilson-Raybould was "obliged" to consider new evidence in the case. The director of public prosecution herself reconsidered a DPA — when new evidence was presented by the company — on Oct. 9, he said.

Butts said the January cabinet shuffle had nothing to do with the SNC-Lavalin affair at all but rather was prompted by the unexpected, and swift, departure of former Nova Scotia minister Scott Brison. "We had no idea he was even thinking about retirement," he said.

"Let me say at the outset, categorically, the January cabinet shuffle had absolutely nothing to do with the SNC-Lavalin. In fact, I spent at least as much time working with colleagues to prevent the shuffle from happening as I did in preparing my advice for it," Butts said.

Butts said the prime minister already had made his pre-election shuffle and was happy with the existing lineup.

At first, Trudeau wanted to move Wilson-Raybould to the Indigenous Services portfolio, but she did something Butts said he has never seen before in government: she refused the position outright, saying she'd spent her whole career fighting the Indian Act.

Butts said Former Treasury Board president Jane Philpott flagged to the prime minister during an in-person meeting on Jan. 6, 2019 — before the actual shuffle — that Wilson-Raybould might perceive a move to Indigenous Services as a demotion from a portfolio she loved: justice.

Butts said Philpott then told the prime minister that she worried Wilson-Raybould might wonder if her move was connected to the "DPA issue." Trudeau assured her that move was not at all related to the DPA or SNC-Lavalin, but rather to Brison's departure and the need for an experienced minister to take over his Treasury Board portfolio.

Butts said that was the "first time I ever heard anyone suggest that this cabinet shuffle was in any way related to the SNC-Lavalin file."

Butts said he believes he and Wilson-Raybould had worked well together. "I felt like we could generally work things out," Butts said. He says trust between the two broke down in the context of the cabinet shuffle when Wilson-Raybould voiced displeasure with any sort of move.

More and Geppetto's opening statement:


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gerry-butts-testifies-commons-committee-updates-1.5044709


Here's an analysis of the conflicting testimonies (re: the concept of open & transparent governance):

 

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Regina Ron; Thanks for the link to that interview with Andrew Coyne:
His analysis summarises my own thoughts on this matter far better than I could do it myself. I especially support his comments, which I've not seen elsewhere, to the effect that if the government wants to support workers whose jobs are threatened, it can and should do it directly without interfering in a prosecutorial process.
 

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I can see you bring the same scrupulous attention facts to being a crown attorney that you bring to being a google climatologist.
Its just politics.

The real question is why SNC couldn't get a dpa - when everyone else gets one
I'm not a lawyer or an internet lawyer, & I'm assuming that you're not either, but this person is law professor:
One aspect of this scandal that no one has addressed, which was brought up by Canadian lawyer Manny Montenengrino during an interview last week.... if SNC Lavalin was in the middle of an active appeal of the decision by the Federal Prosecutors not to proceed with a DPA (which is their legal right to do), what were they doing lobbying Government to intervene while their case was active before the court? This is a clear violation of Canadian legal standard and in itself is an illegal act, as is the action of the Liberal Government to even entertain such lobbying, never mind attempt to interject on SNC Lavalin's behalf.
The law professor above has the same questions as you, and about SNC Lavolin's access to the PMO & the Privy Council.
 

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Lest we forget...

Ten Years of Harper Scandals


Newly released documents show taxpayers spent more than $2.3 million on an investigation and five-year legal battle with the Conservative Party over the "in-and-out" affair. Elections Canada accused the party of conducting a series of wire transfers involving $1.3 million in campaign advertising costs in order to dodge legal limits on ad spending.


Much More: https://moiz.ca/harper/?fbclid=IwAR0L2t_zdD-G1Ug_KYJVGha4sDyXn_o2XO2




Congratulations Cliffy for proving YET AGAIN that Harper is the most LIED about politician in Cdn history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And you have also proved the old addege that the quickest way to anger a Conservative is to lie about him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


While the quickest way to anger a LIE-beral is to tell the truth about him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Cliffy - your concepts of democracy and freedom would fit right in with the Nazi party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A while back some idiot LIE-beral - angry that HARPER HAD FROZEN HIS WAGES- suggested we should “storm the castle” so to speak and DEMAND our rights! By which the civil service union Hog meant force govt to hand out MORE GRAVY!!!!!!!!!

I responded with this: Sorry guy-you FAIL- Cdns are much too clever to think a general strike will solve anything.....after all- WHO would we be striking against? The ONLY MONEY govt has is OUR MONEY!!!! And the only HONEST ANSWER is we would be striking against ourselves!!!!!!!

The Hog wants us to get all militant and `storm the castle`? Why do that? We OWN the castle so no need to storm it. Both Harper and Our idiot Boy got elected prime minister with each getting roughly 36-38 percent of the total votes! That is enough to make a majority prime minister BUT IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to a majority of Cdns! After all, over 55 percent of Cdns are so disgusted by all politicians or so apathetic about achieving any positive result that they REFUSE to vote!!!!!!!!!!!

Many years ago some smart guy put out his own election sign which read: “don’t vote, it just encourages them”!!!! Which is pretty funny at first glance.........but if you think about it- it becomes obviously REALLY STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Telling a politician “that I don’t care what you do and I wont vote” signals to them they can do as they please with NO REPERCUSSIONS! Which is the WHOLE POINT of the LIE-beral Lavalin mess!! LIE-berals doing what they want and to hell wih the laws!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals want to do as suits THEM and let Lavalin off the hook for election financing fraud- just excuse them with a wave of a legal wand- quick and cheap and easy -with NO consequences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Frankly- if we could mobilize that 55 percent of population that does not vote then it’s simply a matter of deciding who we feel like letting in!! And last summer WE decided those McWynnty Lie-berals had stayed there WAY too long! And it looks very much like a large number of Cdns have grown disgusted with the Sunny Ways of Our idiot Boy as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But the Sunny Ways are on the national stage! SELFISH LUNATICS like Cliffy wants to advocate civil disobedience on a LOCAL scale in defiance of the opinions and welfare of the majority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact is that virtually ALL Cdns use fossil fuel! It is an inescapable fact of modern life! There is natural gas to heat your home and business! Diesel fuel for the trucks that stock your local market with strawberries from Guatemala and farmed Salmon from Chile and Lettuce from California!!!!

And then there are the ships that bring you shoes from China and shirts from Bangladesh and cars from Korea and Japan!

And INSANE LIE-berals want to make us fossil fuel free.........and somehow AVOID DESTROYING our economy in the process! And oddly- some of the MOST STAUNCH defenders of LIE-beral policy are the civil service union Hogs who use so much more fuel than the average Cdn!!!!!

Yes- consider who is riding around on the skidoos and atv`s? And who owns a good many of the cottages and recreational homes? And who is most likely to fly off to a sunny beach in Jnauary? And these civil service union Hogs are staunch supporters of LIE-beral carbon crap and tax trade SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why??????????????

For the GRAVY! Hogs expect to be paid so well they will be IMMUNE to the economic ravages of ripping fossil fuel out of our lives! LIE-berals and Hogs are engaged in a GROSS conflict of interest with Hogs selling their votes to LIE-berals in exchange for that gravy that will IMMUNIZE HOGS from the consequences of their biased voting habits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AS for native rabble rousers like Cliffy- he does not give a sh+t what suffering white tax payers endure! He is not interested in justice- Cliffy is all about greed!!!

Cliffy INSISTS that a MINORITY of natives should be allowed to BULLY the rest of the country! Cliffy wants civil disobedience because HE IS A SORE LOSER! Cliffy has the small child`s understanding of democracy- he thinks freedom means he gets his own way and can do as he pleases!!!!!

Cdns are not blind! They know oil is dirty stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!

But freezing in the hungry darkness aint much fun either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of these days people like Cliffy are either going to have to see the light......OR GO TO JAIL in order to learn respect for the majority! For Cliffy to compare himself to Ghandi as a HUGE INSULT.......TO GHANDI!!!!!!!!!!!

Ghandi had a legitimate gripe about being treated as second class in his own country! Cliffy just wants to screw up the society that feeds and clothes and houses so many of his people because Cliffy thinks the charity being offered by whites to his people is INADEQUATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cliffy is arrogant enough to think he is ENTITLED to demand a life that is paid for by ordinary people so he can live BETTER than the average!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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When she was made AG why did she not resign as Minister of Justice as that is not independent from 'the Government'??


Idiot....................your post is mangled more than usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Congratulations Cliffy for proving YET AGAIN that Harper is the most LIED about politician in Cdn history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And you have also proved the old addege that the quickest way to anger a Conservative is to lie about him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


While the quickest way to anger a LIE-beral is to tell the truth about him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Cliffy - your concepts of democracy and freedom would fit right in with the Nazi party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A while back some idiot LIE-beral - angry that HARPER HAD FROZEN HIS WAGES- suggested we should “storm the castle” so to speak and DEMAND our rights! By which the civil service union Hog meant force govt to hand out MORE GRAVY!!!!!!!!!

I responded with this: Sorry guy-you FAIL- Cdns are much too clever to think a general strike will solve anything.....after all- WHO would we be striking against? The ONLY MONEY govt has is OUR MONEY!!!! And the only HONEST ANSWER is we would be striking against ourselves!!!!!!!

The Hog wants us to get all militant and `storm the castle`? Why do that? We OWN the castle so no need to storm it. Both Harper and Our idiot Boy got elected prime minister with each getting roughly 36-38 percent of the total votes! That is enough to make a majority prime minister BUT IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to a majority of Cdns! After all, over 55 percent of Cdns are so disgusted by all politicians or so apathetic about achieving any positive result that they REFUSE to vote!!!!!!!!!!!

Many years ago some smart guy put out his own election sign which read: “don’t vote, it just encourages them”!!!! Which is pretty funny at first glance.........but if you think about it- it becomes obviously REALLY STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Telling a politician “that I don’t care what you do and I wont vote” signals to them they can do as they please with NO REPERCUSSIONS! Which is the WHOLE POINT of the LIE-beral Lavalin mess!! LIE-berals doing what they want and to hell wih the laws!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals want to do as suits THEM and let Lavalin off the hook for election financing fraud- just excuse them with a wave of a legal wand- quick and cheap and easy -with NO consequences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Frankly- if we could mobilize that 55 percent of population that does not vote then it’s simply a matter of deciding who we feel like letting in!! And last summer WE decided those McWynnty Lie-berals had stayed there WAY too long! And it looks very much like a large number of Cdns have grown disgusted with the Sunny Ways of Our idiot Boy as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But the Sunny Ways are on the national stage! SELFISH LUNATICS like Cliffy wants to advocate civil disobedience on a LOCAL scale in defiance of the opinions and welfare of the majority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact is that virtually ALL Cdns use fossil fuel! It is an inescapable fact of modern life! There is natural gas to heat your home and business! Diesel fuel for the trucks that stock your local market with strawberries from Guatemala and farmed Salmon from Chile and Lettuce from California!!!!

And then there are the ships that bring you shoes from China and shirts from Bangladesh and cars from Korea and Japan!

And INSANE LIE-berals want to make us fossil fuel free.........and somehow AVOID DESTROYING our economy in the process! And oddly- some of the MOST STAUNCH defenders of LIE-beral policy are the civil service union Hogs who use so much more fuel than the average Cdn!!!!!

Yes- consider who is riding around on the skidoos and atv`s? And who owns a good many of the cottages and recreational homes? And who is most likely to fly off to a sunny beach in Jnauary? And these civil service union Hogs are staunch supporters of LIE-beral carbon crap and tax trade SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why??????????????

For the GRAVY! Hogs expect to be paid so well they will be IMMUNE to the economic ravages of ripping fossil fuel out of our lives! LIE-berals and Hogs are engaged in a GROSS conflict of interest with Hogs selling their votes to LIE-berals in exchange for that gravy that will IMMUNIZE HOGS from the consequences of their biased voting habits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AS for native rabble rousers like Cliffy- he does not give a sh+t what suffering white tax payers endure! He is not interested in justice- Cliffy is all about greed!!!

Cliffy INSISTS that a MINORITY of natives should be allowed to BULLY the rest of the country! Cliffy wants civil disobedience because HE IS A SORE LOSER! Cliffy has the small child`s understanding of democracy- he thinks freedom means he gets his own way and can do as he pleases!!!!!

Cdns are not blind! They know oil is dirty stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!

But freezing in the hungry darkness aint much fun either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of these days people like Cliffy are either going to have to see the light......OR GO TO JAIL in order to learn respect for the majority! For Cliffy to compare himself to Ghandi as a HUGE INSULT.......TO GHANDI!!!!!!!!!!!

Ghandi had a legitimate gripe about being treated as second class in his own country! Cliffy just wants to screw up the society that feeds and clothes and houses so many of his people because Cliffy thinks the charity being offered by whites to his people is INADEQUATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cliffy is arrogant enough to think he is ENTITLED to demand a life that is paid for by ordinary people so he can live BETTER than the average!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Cliffy holds values and views so selfish and so poisoned that he thinks it is dishonest for people like Harper to make ANY EFFORT to defend themselves from an IMMENSE AVALANCHE of LIE-beral SLEAZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If the likes of Cliffy ever got control of govt there would be VIOLENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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PMO denies Trudeau yelled at Whitby Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes over choice not to run again
Canadian Press
Published:
March 9, 2019
Updated:
March 9, 2019 3:32 PM EDT
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is welcomed by Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of International Development Celina Caesar-Chavannes during a Black History Month reception at the Museum of History in Gatineau, Que., on Monday, Feb. 12, 2018.Justin Tang / THE CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA — A spokesman for the prime minister’s office says Justin Trudeau had “emotional” conversations with Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes, but denies her claims the encounters were “hostile” or that Trudeau yelled at her.
Caesar-Chavannes told the Globe and Mail in an interview Trudeau was angry when she told him on Feb. 12 of her plans to announce she was not reoffering in the October federal election.
She alleges he yelled at her in that conversation and that she responded by shouting back at him, and says the prime minister later apologized.
LILLEY: Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes’ cryptic message
Caesar-Chavannes also detailed another encounter with Trudeau in the House of Commons a week later in which she describes him as acting hostile toward her.
Caesar-Chavannes first raised questions about her interactions with the prime minister in a tweet she published earlier this week following Trudeau’s press conference on the ongoing SNC-Lavalin controversy.
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Trudeau told reporters he felt there had been an erosion of trust between himself and former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould, which was something he regretted because a central tenet of his leadership is fostering an environment in which MPs and staff feel comfortable coming to him when they have concerns.
“I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions?” Caesar-Chavannes wrote in her tweet.
Caesar-Chavannes told the Globe and Mail he yelled at her in the Feb. 12 telephone conversation, telling her she didn’t appreciate him for all he had given her. The Whitby MP served as Trudeau’s parliamentary secretary from December 2015 to January 2017, when she stepped down from the post voluntarily.
The second encounter happened a week later after a caucus meeting. She approached Trudeau and says she tried to broach the topic of their previous testy conversation, but was met with a hostile “stare down.” He came to apologize to her quietly on the floor of the House of Commons later, and she left visibly upset — an episode witnessed by several MPs in the chamber that day.
An official with the PMO speaking on background told The Canadian Press Saturday that Trudeau makes a regular effort to meet with his MPs as often as possible, and that often these discussions are candid. The official conceded that Caesar-Chavannes’ perception of the encounters may have been different, but added they have never heard Trudeau yell or raise his voice to anyone.
In a statement sent to multiple media outlets, Matt Pascuzzo, a spokesman for the prime minister’s office, denied Trudeau was hostile toward Caesar-Chavannes, adding that he has “deep respect” for her.
“There’s no question the conversations in February were emotional, but there was absolutely no hostility,” Pascuzzo said.
“As the prime minister said (Thursday), he is committed to fostering an environment where ministers, caucus and staff feel comfortable approaching him when they have concerns or disagreements. That happened here.”
Speaking at a teachers’ conference in Ottawa on Saturday, Trudeau was asked to respond to concerns about whether “recent events” involving several women in his caucus call into question his dedication to promoting women’s rights.
Trudeau said he has faced a tough number of weeks involving members of his team who have experienced “some real differences of perspective and opinion.”
“I regret that it has happened this way and it’s certainly something that we’re learning a lot about,” he said.
“I’m rethinking some of the processes of how we support cabinet and caucus members, how we function as an office. I’m getting outside advice that because internal disagreements like this need to be dealt with in a better way.”
He also said he hopes these events will not distract or detract from the work his government has been doing.
When asked whether he is concerned the SNC-Lavalin controversy could hurt his re-election chances, Trudeau pointed to concerns about the rise of divisive politics in other countries: the “toxic populism” in the United States, the yellow-vest protesters in France and the “total mess” of Brexit in the U.K., which he said was caused by an “impulse of populism and a knee-jerk reaction against institutions and in favour of cynicism and negativity.”
He warned against Canadians embracing the politics of wedge issues, characterizing his government as a “thoughtful, progressive, positive government that believes in the rule of law.”
The Trudeau government has spent weeks defending against allegations his office leaned on former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to help SNC-Lavalin avoid prosecution on charges of offering bribes to do business with Libya.
Wilson-Raybould resigned from cabinet last month, saying she experienced inappropriate political pressure and veiled threats. Jane Philpott also resigned as Treasury Board president, citing a loss in confidence in the government’s handling of the SNC-Lavalin file.
http://theglobeandmail.com/canada/a...sar-chavannes-says-she-was-met-with-hostility
http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...caesar-chavannes-over-choice-not-to-run-again
 

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PMO denies Trudeau yelled at Whitby Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes over choice not to run again
Canadian Press
Published:
March 9, 2019
Updated:
March 9, 2019 3:32 PM EDT
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is welcomed by Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of International Development Celina Caesar-Chavannes during a Black History Month reception at the Museum of History in Gatineau, Que., on Monday, Feb. 12, 2018.Justin Tang / THE CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA — A spokesman for the prime minister’s office says Justin Trudeau had “emotional” conversations with Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes, but denies her claims the encounters were “hostile” or that Trudeau yelled at her.
Caesar-Chavannes told the Globe and Mail in an interview Trudeau was angry when she told him on Feb. 12 of her plans to announce she was not reoffering in the October federal election.
She alleges he yelled at her in that conversation and that she responded by shouting back at him, and says the prime minister later apologized.
LILLEY: Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes’ cryptic message
Caesar-Chavannes also detailed another encounter with Trudeau in the House of Commons a week later in which she describes him as acting hostile toward her.
Caesar-Chavannes first raised questions about her interactions with the prime minister in a tweet she published earlier this week following Trudeau’s press conference on the ongoing SNC-Lavalin controversy.
Story continues below
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but your article continues below.
Trudeau told reporters he felt there had been an erosion of trust between himself and former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould, which was something he regretted because a central tenet of his leadership is fostering an environment in which MPs and staff feel comfortable coming to him when they have concerns.
“I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions?” Caesar-Chavannes wrote in her tweet.
Caesar-Chavannes told the Globe and Mail he yelled at her in the Feb. 12 telephone conversation, telling her she didn’t appreciate him for all he had given her. The Whitby MP served as Trudeau’s parliamentary secretary from December 2015 to January 2017, when she stepped down from the post voluntarily.
The second encounter happened a week later after a caucus meeting. She approached Trudeau and says she tried to broach the topic of their previous testy conversation, but was met with a hostile “stare down.” He came to apologize to her quietly on the floor of the House of Commons later, and she left visibly upset — an episode witnessed by several MPs in the chamber that day.
An official with the PMO speaking on background told The Canadian Press Saturday that Trudeau makes a regular effort to meet with his MPs as often as possible, and that often these discussions are candid. The official conceded that Caesar-Chavannes’ perception of the encounters may have been different, but added they have never heard Trudeau yell or raise his voice to anyone.
In a statement sent to multiple media outlets, Matt Pascuzzo, a spokesman for the prime minister’s office, denied Trudeau was hostile toward Caesar-Chavannes, adding that he has “deep respect” for her.
“There’s no question the conversations in February were emotional, but there was absolutely no hostility,” Pascuzzo said.
“As the prime minister said (Thursday), he is committed to fostering an environment where ministers, caucus and staff feel comfortable approaching him when they have concerns or disagreements. That happened here.”
Speaking at a teachers’ conference in Ottawa on Saturday, Trudeau was asked to respond to concerns about whether “recent events” involving several women in his caucus call into question his dedication to promoting women’s rights.
Trudeau said he has faced a tough number of weeks involving members of his team who have experienced “some real differences of perspective and opinion.”
“I regret that it has happened this way and it’s certainly something that we’re learning a lot about,” he said.
“I’m rethinking some of the processes of how we support cabinet and caucus members, how we function as an office. I’m getting outside advice that because internal disagreements like this need to be dealt with in a better way.”
He also said he hopes these events will not distract or detract from the work his government has been doing.
When asked whether he is concerned the SNC-Lavalin controversy could hurt his re-election chances, Trudeau pointed to concerns about the rise of divisive politics in other countries: the “toxic populism” in the United States, the yellow-vest protesters in France and the “total mess” of Brexit in the U.K., which he said was caused by an “impulse of populism and a knee-jerk reaction against institutions and in favour of cynicism and negativity.”
He warned against Canadians embracing the politics of wedge issues, characterizing his government as a “thoughtful, progressive, positive government that believes in the rule of law.”
The Trudeau government has spent weeks defending against allegations his office leaned on former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to help SNC-Lavalin avoid prosecution on charges of offering bribes to do business with Libya.
Wilson-Raybould resigned from cabinet last month, saying she experienced inappropriate political pressure and veiled threats. Jane Philpott also resigned as Treasury Board president, citing a loss in confidence in the government’s handling of the SNC-Lavalin file.
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PMO denies Trudeau yelled at Whitby Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes over choice not to run again
Canadian Press
Published:
March 9, 2019
Updated:
March 9, 2019 3:32 PM EDT
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is welcomed by Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of International Development Celina Caesar-Chavannes during a Black History Month reception at the Museum of History in Gatineau, Que., on Monday, Feb. 12, 2018.Justin Tang / THE CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA — A spokesman for the prime minister’s office says Justin Trudeau had “emotional” conversations with Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes, but denies her claims the encounters were “hostile” or that Trudeau yelled at her.
Caesar-Chavannes told the Globe and Mail in an interview Trudeau was angry when she told him on Feb. 12 of her plans to announce she was not reoffering in the October federal election.
She alleges he yelled at her in that conversation and that she responded by shouting back at him, and says the prime minister later apologized.
LILLEY: Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes’ cryptic message
Caesar-Chavannes also detailed another encounter with Trudeau in the House of Commons a week later in which she describes him as acting hostile toward her.
Caesar-Chavannes first raised questions about her interactions with the prime minister in a tweet she published earlier this week following Trudeau’s press conference on the ongoing SNC-Lavalin controversy.
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Trudeau told reporters he felt there had been an erosion of trust between himself and former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould, which was something he regretted because a central tenet of his leadership is fostering an environment in which MPs and staff feel comfortable coming to him when they have concerns.
“I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions?” Caesar-Chavannes wrote in her tweet.
Caesar-Chavannes told the Globe and Mail he yelled at her in the Feb. 12 telephone conversation, telling her she didn’t appreciate him for all he had given her. The Whitby MP served as Trudeau’s parliamentary secretary from December 2015 to January 2017, when she stepped down from the post voluntarily.
The second encounter happened a week later after a caucus meeting. She approached Trudeau and says she tried to broach the topic of their previous testy conversation, but was met with a hostile “stare down.” He came to apologize to her quietly on the floor of the House of Commons later, and she left visibly upset — an episode witnessed by several MPs in the chamber that day.
An official with the PMO speaking on background told The Canadian Press Saturday that Trudeau makes a regular effort to meet with his MPs as often as possible, and that often these discussions are candid. The official conceded that Caesar-Chavannes’ perception of the encounters may have been different, but added they have never heard Trudeau yell or raise his voice to anyone.
In a statement sent to multiple media outlets, Matt Pascuzzo, a spokesman for the prime minister’s office, denied Trudeau was hostile toward Caesar-Chavannes, adding that he has “deep respect” for her.
“There’s no question the conversations in February were emotional, but there was absolutely no hostility,” Pascuzzo said.
“As the prime minister said (Thursday), he is committed to fostering an environment where ministers, caucus and staff feel comfortable approaching him when they have concerns or disagreements. That happened here.”
Speaking at a teachers’ conference in Ottawa on Saturday, Trudeau was asked to respond to concerns about whether “recent events” involving several women in his caucus call into question his dedication to promoting women’s rights.
Trudeau said he has faced a tough number of weeks involving members of his team who have experienced “some real differences of perspective and opinion.”
“I regret that it has happened this way and it’s certainly something that we’re learning a lot about,” he said.
“I’m rethinking some of the processes of how we support cabinet and caucus members, how we function as an office. I’m getting outside advice that because internal disagreements like this need to be dealt with in a better way.”
He also said he hopes these events will not distract or detract from the work his government has been doing.
When asked whether he is concerned the SNC-Lavalin controversy could hurt his re-election chances, Trudeau pointed to concerns about the rise of divisive politics in other countries: the “toxic populism” in the United States, the yellow-vest protesters in France and the “total mess” of Brexit in the U.K., which he said was caused by an “impulse of populism and a knee-jerk reaction against institutions and in favour of cynicism and negativity.”
He warned against Canadians embracing the politics of wedge issues, characterizing his government as a “thoughtful, progressive, positive government that believes in the rule of law.”
The Trudeau government has spent weeks defending against allegations his office leaned on former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to help SNC-Lavalin avoid prosecution on charges of offering bribes to do business with Libya.
Wilson-Raybould resigned from cabinet last month, saying she experienced inappropriate political pressure and veiled threats. Jane Philpott also resigned as Treasury Board president, citing a loss in confidence in the government’s handling of the SNC-Lavalin file.
http://theglobeandmail.com/canada/a...sar-chavannes-says-she-was-met-with-hostility
http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...caesar-chavannes-over-choice-not-to-run-again
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