Trudeau 'welcomes' ethics probe of alleged PMO interference in SNC-Lavalin case

Cliffy

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Far out man. That's heavy.
Well, you herd the trumphater.
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Justin Trudeau blames Stephen Harper for SNC-LAVALIN scandal, Andrew Scheer's reply is stunning

"Who asked for the meeting, you (Trudeau) or RWC?"
*Trudeau refuses to answer.*

"This is a very simple question, "You" or "Her"...
*Trudeau then blames HARPER.*
 

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According to one member of this forum It's the JOOS at it again!
Funny, you never have any good answers to any real questions yourself. This thread is about the Trudeau / Lavalin affair, not about (the UN reported) genocide in Israel nor Israel's efforts to corrupt governments world wide, and how that effects our government, and meg's opinions of stuff like that.
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Which you would know if you could read properly.
( I would suggest you start a thread, but like you have before, you would only complain that people showed up and posted facts which totally disagree with you.)

PS: ( because YOU brought it up)
BTW, saying "JOOS" when megs talks about "ZIONISTS" is very racist and disrespectful to ALL the jews who absolutely do not agree with apartheid political Zionism. Actually, it's total BULLSHIT really.

"Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it"

An Israeli cabinet member explains it clearly.

Now, back to the subject of this thread please.
 
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LILLEY: Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes' cryptic message
Brian Lilley
Published:
March 7, 2019
Updated:
March 7, 2019 9:09 PM EST
Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes is pictured during question period in the House of Commons on May 25, 2018. (The Canadian Press)
Looks like Justin Trudeau has more trouble with women.
The PM who has billed himself a feminist leading a feminist government is dealing with fallout from two powerful women resigning from cabinet over claims of inappropriate pressure on former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to stop prosecuting Quebec company SNC-Lavalin on bribery charges.
While speaking at a news conference on Thursday, Trudeau repeatedly said that he didn’t know there was a problem for Wilson-Raybould and said she should have come to him with her concerns.
On Twitter, Toronto-area MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes tweeted out the PM’s comments as a quote and then added her own comment.
“I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions?” Caesar-Chavannes said.
Story continues below
The MP recently announced that she would not seek re-election.
At first she denied that the decision had anything to do with the current controversy surrounding the government but on Monday, after Jane Philpott also resigned from cabinet, Caesar-Chavannes seemed to indicate differently.
She retweeted Philpott’s statement on the resignation and added her own comments.
“When you add women, please do not expect the status quo. Expect us to make correct decisions, stand for what is right and exit when values are compromised,” she tweeted.
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Trudeau has built a good part of his brand on dealing with women’s issues and his feminist ideals.
His reaction to losing two strong female cabinet ministers, and a backbench MP, has been damaging to his image.
A recent Ipsos poll showed women leaving Trudeau’s Liberals for the Conservatives and the NDP.
Caesar-Chavannes could not be reached for comment.
Was that a shot at Justin?
A little known, and little followed, Government of Canada Twitter account created waves on Thursday with what looked like a shot across the bow of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
The Public Prosecution Service (PPS), the independent prosecutors at the core of the SNC-Lavalin controversy, only joined Twitter in January. Until Wednesday, they had never tweeted.
Then not long after Justin Trudeau gave his “sorry, not sorry” media appearance, the PPS issued a tweet many are taking as directed at him.
“Prosecutorial independence is key to our mandate. Our prosecutors must be objective, independent and dispassionate, as well as free from improper influence — including political influence,” the tweet said, accompanied by a link to the organization’s website.
The PPS is central to the SNC-Lavalin story because it was a decision of the head of the organization that Trudeau wanted overturned.
The director of the PPS reports to the attorney general.
While not involved in the day-to-day decision making of the PPS, the attorney general can overturn certain decisions related to criminal prosecutions.
Trudeau wanted Wilson-Raybould to overturn the director’s decision with SNC. Wilson-Raybould has maintained that she was subjected to inappropriate pressure to bend to Trudeau’s will.
The PPS was created by the former Harper government in 2006. The Conservatives had promised the office in the wake of a Liberal sponsorship scandal, saying that prosecutors needed to be freed from political interference.
http://torontosun.com/news/national/lilley-liberal-mp-celina-caesar-chavannes-cryptic-message
 

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So no apology from the little potato. Must say I was surprised by that as I had thought we would see another of his infamous breast-beating mea culpas. But no, arrogance rules the day.




NAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Our idiot Boy only offers apologies for small crap from long ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Offering an apology for an ONGOING CRIMINAL SCANDAL IS NOT HIS STYLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!








Here is an article telling the truth about Lavalin and the LIE-beral lust for power regardless of morality! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Liberal love for Lavalin is all about Quebec votes

By Lorne Gunter.

Published: February 26, 2019, Updated: February 26, 2019 7:23 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

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LILLEY: SNC affair is sinking the Good Ship Trudeau

The federal Liberal government appears obsessed with helping the giant Quebec engineering and construction firm, SNC-Lavalin, avoid prosecution.

(Yes- LIE-berals definitely DO NOT want the Quebec provincial Charbonneau Inquiry re-opened to deal with unresolved corruption issues! The KEY issue was the testimony by a witness that MULTIPLE engineering firms were involved in bribery and election funding fraud! Thus far ONLY Lavalin has been investigated or even charged! If the FULL Lavalin story comes out then there VERY LIKELY WILL be others investigated and probably convicted as well!)

Even though the prime minister’s office’s attempt to win seemingly preferential treatment for SNC-Lavalin in court has cost the government weeks of awful press — not to mention the resignations of an Attorney General and the prime minister’s right-hand aide – the Trudeau government is still trying to save SNC-Lavalin from a criminal prosecution for bribing Libyan officials to win huge contracts in that country.

(Yes- LIE-berals are focused on the TRIVIAL- that Lavalin offered bribes in a part of the world were such action is routine- yet LIE-berals do not wish to talk about bribery IN CANADA! THAT MUST STAY HIDDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Over the weekend, the Financial Post reported that the Liberals are also considering a legal trick that would make it possible for SNC-Lavalin and other companies in the same boat to continue to bid on government work, even if found guilty.

(Ah....OTHER COMPANIES IN THE SAME BOAT? And HOW MANY ARE THERE IN THAT CORRUPT BOAT? LIE-berals will not say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

If things don’t work out for SNC-Lavalin scoring a “remediation agreement” (essentially a plea bargain), then this latest effort will come in handy: The government is considering changing the federal “Integrity Regime” to allow convicted companies to continue to do government work.

(In summer 2017, LIE-berals released SEVEN ACCUSED KILLERS for the simple reason that LIE-beral courts were so over loaded they could not offer up fair trials in a reasonable time frame! LIE-beral hug a thug judges routinely offer up plea bargains to all manner of thugs so greedy LIE-berals must be wondering why all the fuss over Lavalin! Of course public rage is cumulative and we are getting sick of the flow of SLIME from LIE-beral offices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

At present, any corporation found guilty of bribery, either here or abroad, is barred from bidding on federal government contracts for 10 years. But the 10-year ban is not part of the Criminal Code. So what the Liberals are proposing is a change to integrity rules that would allow bureaucrats at Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) to determine how long the bans against doing business with Ottawa should be: Ten years? Or perhaps in some cases just five years. Or three. Or even no time at all.

(And given all the previous ugly news about bid rigging and bribery on contracts within Canada- and nasty news stories telling us Quebec is the most corrupt Cdn province - with organized crime gangs there demanding that contracts carry a “finders fee” for mobsters- perhaps it is not surprising that Cdns are so agitated about Lavalin!!!!!!!!!)

If the Trudeau government can’t find “cooperative” officials in the Justice Department, maybe they will have better luck finding people who will play ball over at PSPC.

(Such flexible morals would certainly open the door to even more bribery on govt contracts - if the previous sins are ignored and swept under the rug! How else to clean things up than with strong action - that LIE-berals are trying hard to avoid taking for fear of losing votes???????)

This is banana republic stuff. “Laws!? We don’t need no stinkin’ laws! The law is what the boss says it is!”

Maybe our laws against Canadian companies using bribes to win foreign contracts are too tough. But the main point to remember is that even after the Liberals snuck the remediation agreements into Canadian law last fall, SNC-Lavalin still did not qualify for relief. It hadn’t self-reported its criminal behaviour. It hadn’t made restitution. And it showed insufficient contrition to satisfy the public prosecution service or then-Attorney General Jody Wilson-Raybould.

It seems now the SNC-Lavalin-obsessed Liberals are looking for yet another way to let the firm off the hook.

Why?

I think the answer is SNC-Lavalin is very popular with Quebecers, and Quebec voters are becoming increasingly critical to the Liberals’ re-election hopes this fall.

Of course, SNC-Lavalin has a history of corruption in Canada, too. The Liberals were forced to pay back $110,000 (and the Tories $8,000) in unlawful political contributions the company gave to the parties by making it appear the money was coming from individual employees. And the company’s former CEO began serving nearly two years of house arrest on Feb. 1 for his role in channelling bribes to officials in order to win a contract to build a new hospital at Montreal’s McGill University.

(Isnt that nice - Lavalin gives a TOKEN PAYMENT to Conservatives just to muddy and confuse the waters and saves the BIG MONEY for LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!)
Conservatives get token grants that look like normal contributions and LIE-berals get the SLEAZY REAL MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(As previously mentioned- Lavalin is accused of performing the same sort of third world bribery inside Canada that got them in trouble in Libya and India!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Perhaps it’s naïve to think kickbacks are not behind the current Liberal campaign to help SNC-Lavalin, too. But instead, I really do believe the Libs are expending so much political capital on SNC-Lavalin because they are putting more and more of their re-election eggs in the Quebec basket.

(Ontari-owe has 40 percent of the Cdn population and is currently considered HOSTILE to LIE-berals! Alberta would rather separate than vote for LIE-berals! In fact most provinces are angry about either the despised LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax scam or the grossly biased ratio of federal transfer payments that so heavily favours Quebec! Or the provinces are angry at BOTH LIE-beral botch ups! Withe the added bonus of substantial provincial rage over the DELUGE of illegals flooding into the country -that LIE-berals want here but refuse to pay for! Where can LIE-berals buy votes at this time if not Quebec- there are FEW other options for LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!)

I’m okay with the Liberals not stepping in with taxpayers’ dollars to save General Motors in Oshawa. But other than re-election calculus, how do you explain the government’s indifference to Ontario jobs contrasted with their mania for helping preserve SNC’s Quebec jobs?

(The elephant in the room is LIE-beral indifference to massive job losses in Alberta - courtesy of LIE-beral policy that is so bad it rivals Pierre Trudeau and his despised National Energy Policy! We are not quite back to the old days of “let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark” since Ontari-owe and Saskatchewan have spoken strongly in support of Alberta in its time of need! But western rage at LIE-berals is nearing record territory!!!!!!!)

The collapse of NDP and Bloc support in Quebec means there are as many as 25 extra seats for the Liberals to pick up – if they can look like nationalist heroes. That’s likely why they are prepared to go to the wall for SNC-Lavalin.

(There is also reason to assume that LIE-berals are hoping that those Quebec seats will keep the party from falling into political Oblivion next October!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 

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Lest we forget...

Ten Years of Harper Scandals


Newly released documents show taxpayers spent more than $2.3 million on an investigation and five-year legal battle with the Conservative Party over the "in-and-out" affair. Elections Canada accused the party of conducting a series of wire transfers involving $1.3 million in campaign advertising costs in order to dodge legal limits on ad spending.


Much More: https://moiz.ca/harper/?fbclid=IwAR0L2t_zdD-G1Ug_KYJVGha4sDyXn_o2XO2
 

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"When you add women, please do not expect the status quo. Expect us to make correct decisions, stand for what is right and exit when values are compromised,” Celina Caesar-Chavannes tweeted.

Let me correct that...

When you add women, please do not expect loyalty. Expect us to make flighty decisions, stand for what is self-serving and don't exit until our full pensions are collected.
 

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Lest we forget...
Ten Years of Harper Scandals
Newly released documents show taxpayers spent more than $2.3 million on an investigation and five-year legal battle with the Conservative Party over the "in-and-out" affair. Elections Canada accused the party of conducting a series of wire transfers involving $1.3 million in campaign advertising costs in order to dodge legal limits on ad spending.
Much More: https://moiz.ca/harper/?fbclid=IwAR0L2t_zdD-G1Ug_KYJVGha4sDyXn_o2XO2

In reality they spent $2.3 Million on an investigation for a $ 52,000.00 fine as in your article, money well spent I guess /sarcasm
 

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While I am composing some sort OP fot a thread about this vid I would like to point out one thing. The 'Speech' was about issues that need dealing with in the North. The questions from the press went back to SNC so the Press finds that 'dead issue' more important than communities that face more bad water days than not for decades on end.
HIGHLIGHTS: Justin Trudeau faces the media during trip to Canada's north


This is going to be so much fun as most of the real criminals come from both parties as the issue was known but never addressed. A call in the middle of the night from Interpol Crimes against humanity are the kind that interfere with getting back to sleep for a month or so.
You fuking retards here better be able to name the issues in every point he made, what the causes were and what the long term solution is.

If the World Bank can kill a 'Canadian Company' at will imagine the impact when it is the World Bank and favored companies that were in charge of the abuse and inhumane treatment during the experimentation made on the Canadians in the Far North rather than offering a few people a short cut to being rich. I wonder how many Canadians were bribed by the World Bank to allow the 'experiments to continue for decades' using agents that have a ban of 1 year when 'volunteers are subjected to those same toxins because it is considered to be torture.

Watch a 'bang' turn into a, . . . wait, . . . wait . . . . 'boom'. Hahaha

 

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Well, you herd the trumphater.
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Justin Trudeau blames Stephen Harper for SNC-LAVALIN scandal, Andrew Scheer's reply is stunning

"Who asked for the meeting, you (Trudeau) or RWC?"
*Trudeau refuses to answer.*

"This is a very simple question, "You" or "Her"...
*Trudeau then blames HARPER.*


Wow, Trudeau is some sort of special greasy...in light of his response after Butt's testimony in regards to JW/R's testimony....
 

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Here's an "outside of Quebec,Ottawa, & the GTA perspective:

From the CBC:
Two Western premiers say the SNC-Lavalin affair is distracting Prime Minister Justin Trudeau at a time when he should be focused on jobs in their region.

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe took aim Thursday at the prime minister's comments about 9,000 jobs tied to the Quebec company.
By comparison, Moe said there have been thousands of job lost in energy sector, all while Trudeau is championing controversial energy policies like the carbon tax and Bill C-69, which Moe wants scrapped.

"I remind the prime minister again, he's not the prime minister of Quebec," Moe said. "He's the prime minister for all Canadians."

Moe also criticized Trudeau for involving Canada's ambassador to the United States, David MacNaughton, in the issue, when there are tariffs in place on Canadian steel and aluminum.

Alberta Premier Rachel Notley told reporters Thursday that Alberta's struggle to get its oil to market has a far greater impact on jobs than SNC-Lavalin.
She also suggested jobs at the Quebec company would be more affected by Alberta's economy than the outcome of any criminal prosecution the company is facing.

"We need our federal government to focus on the big picture and, by doing that, they will realize that Albertans need their attention."
Notley said earlier this week that Trudeau needs to get back to work defending jobs and farmers, especially since China has started blocking import shipments of Canadian canola.

"We are calling on Ottawa to stop its navel-gazing about its internal controversies and fight back," she said.


From: http://www.cjme.com/2019/03/07/trudeau-not-the-prime-minister-of-quebec-saskatchewan-premier/

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe took aim Thursday at the prime minister’s comments about 9,000 jobs tied to the Quebec company.

By comparison, Moe said there have been thousands of job lost in energy sector, all while Trudeau is championing controversial energy policies like the carbon tax and Bill C-69, which he wants scrapped.

“I remind the prime minister again, he’s not the prime minister of Quebec,” Moe said. “He’s the prime minister for all Canadians.”


More detail from Brad Wall in the National Post: http://nationalpost.com/opinion/bra...p-treatment-is-a-slap-in-the-face-to-the-west

The prime minister is confident defending his alleged efforts, and those of his officials, to politically interfere with a criminal case against an admittedly large employer in Quebec in the name of saving 9,000 jobs (3,400 in Quebec).

The loss of 110,000 energy-sector jobs in the West was obviously not so compelling to him and his team. Quebec jobs were apparently worth the brazenness the former attorney general so deliberately and unflappably testified to before the Commons justice committee.

But never mind this modest ask. More concerning is the fact that those Western energy jobs were apparently not even worth something so basic as the federal government doing no further harm.

At a time of historic job losses and dimming prospects, the federal government has actually sought to make things worse. Juxtaposed against the existential risk the federal government took to save far fewer jobs at SNC-Lavalin is its apparent determination to pass Bill C-69, which industry has said will make it harder if not impossible to secure approvals for future pipeline proposals. It sure seems that no PMO effort was made to Environment Minister Catherine McKenna or Natural Resources Minister Amarjeet Sohi to “influence” and assure the scrapping of C-69 for example.




 

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Wilson-Raybould

I have to admit that the PMOs Office has a case with Wilson-Raybould. The Cabinet is an organic, corporate body in the Parliamentary System. It is intended to be an integral corpus that governs by consensus and by solidarity. Any Minister can be lobbied or engaged on matters related to political decisions. A Minister derives his/her privilege by way of consensus and with the CONSENT of the Cabinet and the PM.

Wilson-Raybould seems to think she had autonomy by way of her office and was above the advice and consent of Cabinet colleagues. That is not the way the system works and she should have been well aware of it. There is a case for making an Attorney General independent of the Cabinet by separating it from the Minister of Justice, in which case the the AG would NOT be a Cabinet post, and might not even be an MP. But as long as it is, the Ministers responsibility takes precedence.
Wilson-Raybould seemed to think she could set up a personal fiefdom beyond any opposition of Cabinet and that is just not the way the system works. Her only power is derived through the Cabinet and not in spite of it.

Quite frankly there is a valid case for allowing SNC Lavalin to bid on federal contracts despite outstanding criminal proceedings on the basis the economic welfare of its employees and country.
Trudeau's major flaw is that he cannot judge the character of competence of his appointees. He sees only their membership in some electoral demographic.. gender, ethnic, racial, religious. He has no core, no moral absolutes and, certainly no vision to rely on.

That said..
Trudeau is off to make another apology for some long past (so called) injustice against a designated victims' group. Another act of a PM without any sense of patriotic idealism and motivated by a crippling sense of guilt for being white, male, (ex)Christian, and European.

I was looking at his news conference this morning a thought of an old business adage. People don't 'grow' into office, they don't change after they are 21 and, they are exactly what they appear to be. His appearance is that of an effeminate weakling, lacking vision and confidence, and being led by events onto the rocks.

Never complain, never explain, never apologize.. just don't do it again. Trudeau is toast.

Actually, Wilson-raybould made it clear that the PM had every right to share his ideas with her. She just said taht once she made a final decision in her capacity as Attorney General, the buck stopped there. So she clearly understood the distinctions between the two roles.

Did she make the right decision in the SNC affair? That's neither here nor there. The point is that she felt pressured to change her mind in her capacity as AG after a decision was made. Is it possible that the PM didn't understand that she felt pressured? Maybe, but since she'd made it quite clear, he'd have had to be quite clueless. Again, I'll give the PM the benefit of the boudt that he might just have miscommunicated his intentions, but that's one big miscommunication.
 

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Wow, Trudeau is some sort of special greasy...in light of his response after Butt's testimony in regards to JW/R's testimony....

To be fair, Harper often gave non-answers in Question Period too, as did Chretien and others. It's been going on for decades now and it needs to stop. There is no shame when a Minister is asked a question to say he doesn't know the answer and will get back with an answer within the next three weeks for example. But as Question Period is now, if I were an MP, I'd honestly just skip Question Period altogether until that culture changes and I'd give my reason for it.
 

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Also, even when a Member gives a non-answer, I don't see how howling in teh background solves anything. More rational MPs should boycott Question Period until that improves, and rightfully so.
 

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Also, if a Member doesn't want to answer a question, just say so and then shut up and sit down. Stop wasting our time and making an embarrassment of this country with constant non-answers. Again, Harper did it too, so this is not a partisan comment. But Trudeau Jr has really mastered that art it seems, but again, harper was already irritating enough.