Trudeau 'welcomes' ethics probe of alleged PMO interference in SNC-Lavalin case

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1: a formal process in which people (such as the members of a legislature) vote in order to indicate whether or not they support a leader, government, etc.
2: a statement or action that shows continuing support and approval for someone
Many people say the coach should be fired, but he was given a vote of confidence by the team president this week.

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So either the government has the confidence of the House or it does not.

Which is it?
 

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1: a formal process in which people (such as the members of a legislature) vote in order to indicate whether or not they support a leader, government, etc.
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Many people say the coach should be fired, but he was given a vote of confidence by the team president this week.
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So either the government has the confidence of the House or it does not.
Which is it?
 

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Either the government has the confidence of the House or it does not.


You can't have it both ways.
The Liberals have the most seats, but not a majority, & not a monarchy. We're in a pandemic that happened since the last election less than a year ago. They are still answerable, but only Trudeau wants an election to try to be in a situation where he isn't answerable....and that's his threat. They don't want to be answerable to the democratic process, but if they have to be they (THE LIBERALS & NOBODY ELSE) will force an election during a pandemic. If there wasn't a pandemic I'd be all for an election but that's not the case and the Liberals are using COVID 19 as a hammer. That's despicable.
 

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It is laughable that you would point out that we're in a pandemic.

I would suggest you remind the opposition of that fact.

Oh - and saying that they are trying to avoid the democratic process by holding an election?

Truly superb
 

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1: a formal process in which people (such as the members of a legislature) vote in order to indicate whether or not they support a leader, government, etc.
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Many people say the coach should be fired, but he was given a vote of confidence by the team president this week.
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So either the government has the confidence of the House or it does not.
Which is it?
Pandemic: adjective (of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.
Contagious: adjective (of a disease) spread from one person or organism to another by direct or indirect contact.
Asinine:adjective extremely stupid or foolish.
Minority Government: noun a government in which the governing party has most seats but still less than half the total.
Monarchy: noun a form of government with a monarch at the head.
Justin Trudeau: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Justin Trudeau
Extortion: noun the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
Heinous: adjective (of a person or wrongful act, especially a crime) utterly odious or wicked.
Stanky: adjective Having a strong (usually unpleasant) smell; stinking.
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So either the government in a democracy is answerable to the people or it isn't. It's the government's decision to decide if something is a confidence issue or not, and if they do, during a pandemic, then this is on them (the Liberals) regardless of where things land.
 

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Many people say the coach should be fired, but he was given a vote of confidence by the team president this week.
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So either the government has the confidence of the House or it does not.
Which is it?
This is on Trudeau & the Libs....and nobody else. This is about Fear of discovery from the PMO and the consequences are squarely on his head. Nobody else's. Hopefully the rest of the voting public aren't as obtuse as you're playing at being. I would suggest that it's not the decision of the opposition to call a confidence motion during a pandemic over a committee.
 

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Pandemic: adjective (of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.
Contagious: adjective (of a disease) spread from one person or organism to another by direct or indirect contact.
Asinine:adjective extremely stupid or foolish.
Minority Government: noun a government in which the governing party has most seats but still less than half the total.
Monarchy: noun a form of government with a monarch at the head.
Justin Trudeau: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Justin Trudeau
Extortion: noun the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
Heinous: adjective (of a person or wrongful act, especially a crime) utterly odious or wicked.
Stanky: adjective Having a strong (usually unpleasant) smell; stinking.
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So either the government in a democracy is answerable to the people or it isn't. It's the government's decision to decide if something is a confidence issue or not, and if they do, during a pandemic, then this is on them (the Liberals) regardless of where things land.


An election is the ultimate answering to the people in a democracy.

Do you even listen to the rubbish you spew?

You want us to believe that the opposition should be able question every dollar spent by the government AND have confidence in that government?

Your bullshit overfloweth
 

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Well, let’s agree to disagree on your warped perception of this situation. If nothing, today will be very interesting in Parliament. Will the NDP show up (?) & if so, what would their price have been this time? Singh said Tuesday that making the issue a test of confidence is absurd and that his party won't take part in a "farce" that gives Trudeau an excuse to force an election.


Should New Democrats abstain on today's vote, the Liberals and combined Conservative and Bloc MPs would have an equal number of votes, 153 each. That would leave the three Green and two independent MPs to decide the fate of the government. That would be an interesting twist if Elizabeth May held the balance of power today.


The dispute comes after the Liberals filibustered opposition attempts to revive their investigations into the WE affair at the Commons finance and ethics committees, whose probes were shut down when Trudeau prorogued Parliament in August.
 
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Trudeau’s press secretary hit with charge from ethics commissioner

One of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's press secretaries has been charged by the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner.

In a public notice issued on Tuesday, the commissioner's officer said Alex Wellstead had received a penalty of $250 for "failing to disclose a material charge related to assets within 30 days after the charge."

According to the Ethics Commissioner's website, some examples of material changes that must be reported include becoming a trustee or a beneficiary of a trust, acquiring any asset valued at $10,000 or more or opening any type of investment account, including a joint account or receiving assets by way of gift or inheritance.

Under the Conflict of Interest Act, ministers and parliamentary secretaries must also report changes in marital status or common-law relationships.

If a change is not reported within the 30 days allotted, the commissioner may impose a penalty up to $500.

According to the notice, Wellstead's penalty has been paid.

More to come...
 

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Well, let’s agree to disagree on your warped perception of this situation. If nothing, today will be very interesting in Parliament. Will the NDP show up (?) & if so, what would their price have been this time? Singh said Tuesday that making the issue a test of confidence is absurd and that his party won't take part in a "farce" that gives Trudeau an excuse to force an election.
Should New Democrats abstain on today's vote, the Liberals and combined Conservative and Bloc MPs would have an equal number of votes, 153 each. That would leave the three Green and two independent MPs to decide the fate of the government. That would be an interesting twist if Elizabeth May held the balance of power today.
The dispute comes after the Liberals filibustered opposition attempts to revive their investigations into the WE affair at the Commons finance and ethics committees, whose probes were shut down when Trudeau prorogued Parliament in August.

The opposition would be wise to avoid an election right now. As I've been saying, with income tax due on all the free money that's been doled out coming up, a federal budget that doesn't currently exist, infrastructure money that seems to be missing, hundreds of billions of new spending that will need to be accounted for in the near future, business foreclosures and an unprecedented wave of bankruptcies that are looming on the horizon, and an economic recession/depression that is imminent.... Trudeau is going to do everything he possibly can to engineer an election before the end of the year. He pretty much has to!!

Opposition would be smart to wait for the federal budget that's already a year overdue and may or may not be coming in March, and hold a confidence vote on that when Trudeau is scrambling to try and explain a post-pandemic budget created by our new finance guru Christia Freeland. Or if he fails to put forward another budget...explain why he can't come up with the numbers again. An election on these terms would be devastating for the Liberals.
 
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Trudeau mentioning today that if the conservatives want to set up a committee to investigate all government covid-related spending then perhaps they want to call an election.
And that sounds reasonable to me.
How can you claim to have confidence in a government when you want to question every single dollar they spend?
Of course the conservatives want no part of an election. What they lack in courage they make up for in cowardice.

He's bluffing, call his bluff, he isn't ready for an election it would go against the pandemic protocols he helped set up
 

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"You want us to believe that the opposition should be able question every dollar spent by the government AND have confidence in that government?"


Precisely...……………..that is how you hold their feet to the fire & Justin boy needs that more than anyone! Listen to Ron! You might even get sensible. :)
 
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The opposition would be wise to avoid an election right now. As I've been saying, with income tax due on all the free money that's been doled out coming up, a federal budget that doesn't currently exist, infrastructure money that seems to be missing, hundreds of billions of new spending that will need to be accounted for in the near future, business foreclosures and an unprecedented wave of bankruptcies that are looming on the horizon, and an economic recession/depression that is imminent.... Trudeau is going to do everything he possibly can to engineer an election before the end of the year. He pretty much has to!!

Opposition would be smart to wait for the federal budget that's already a year overdue and may or may not be coming in March, and hold a confidence vote on that when Trudeau is scrambling to try and explain a post-pandemic budget created by our new finance guru Christia Freeland. Or if he fails to put forward another budget...explain why he can't come up with the numbers again. An election on these terms would be devastating for the Liberals.
They would be wise to avoid an election that can't possibly win?
 

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They would be wise to avoid an election that can't possibly win?


They tried to give banana stuffer the election he is so desperate for, but unfortunately for him Jagmeet ruined his plans. Too bad...it was likely the best chance Trudeau had to win an election, he sure as hell won't be winning his majority in the Spring.
 

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The Green Party has said they will vote against the conservative motion.

The NDP, of course, have only said they will not vote for an election.

So the conservative motion is defeated and they will have to rephrase their motion in a less offensive way and give her another whirl.

Amd every one of these Opposition members makes minimum $172K a year for their important work. No wonder getting things done is such a non factor.
 

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So the conservative motion is defeated and they will have to rephrase their motion in a less offensive way and give her another whirl.


Only a moron or a Trudeau supporter (or both) would define openness and transparency as offensive. Which one are you?
 

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Only a non english speaker could possibly see this motion as not an expression of non confidence in the government.


It is what it is.
 

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And now for some reason each MP is voting - as if a liberal will vote for or a separatist will vote against.

The votes in questions are the green - who will vote against and the ndp - who will probably abstain.
 

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No election. Huzzah! http://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex...all-election-that-will-show-those-mean-tories

It is great news. For a while Canada was a-tremble that the ice-hearted Conservatives, with their rude slanders on Justin Trudeau’s ethical impeccability, and even more furious attempts to pry into his and his family’s (surely private) business relationships with the Kielburger-WE octopus, would bring an end to the finest, most perfect one-year government performance since the days of Athenian democracy.

The Conservatives have failed. They would have hauled us into a plague election.

But Mr. Trudeau steadfastly — it is his way — stood his ground, and dared them: if you push a motion to investigate WE (and us), the government will regard it as a confidence motion, and should it pass, there WILL be an election. So there we were. The manic Conservatives and their wild leader sought to upend the finest administration this country has ever known and perhaps ever will, on a trivial matter of public accountability over the passing around of a mere billion public dollars. Again, they failed.

Am I allowed to say this in the delicate pages of the National Post? Dark bastards, those Conservatives. Thank whatever heaven there is, Trudeau stood up to them. He was his own man. “You want to see what we did in WE? Force an election then, you Tory bandits.”

What a man, a Parliamentary Sir Galahad. And how happy he is that he has as first squire, and heartiest supporter, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh. J. Singh happily joined with J. Trudeau to defeat the pernicious motion of E. O’Toole. So now let us turn to the prime minister’s miserable opponents, the (ha) opposition!

This Erin O’Toole fellow is a pure menace. Why the Conservatives turned out that other pleasant fellow they had, Scheer I believe was his name, I cannot understand. O’Toole is a political biter. Imagine distressing the prime minister with calls to accounting, and asking what was paid to Trudeau family members by a bunch who were set to get a billion dollars to distribute.

Imagine objecting to shutting down bothersome committees. Earlier this year O’Toole even objected to shutting down Parliament and made mock of the venerable Tent of Commons. Shame is a stranger to him. Worse still. He is coupled with the carnivore of question period, the well-buttoned, sleek-haired shark of Sparks Street, Pierre Poilievre. P.P. daily harasses Mr. Trudeau over contracts and insider deals, broken pledges and parliamentary oversight. He is an outrage to the great Canadian code of civility.

These two, and the fearsome Michelle Rempel Garner, needlessly pester a government that has our backs, hates oil companies, and practices gender analytics. O’Toole, Poilievre, Rempel … the three (dis) amigos. Honestly, some days we must question whether the Conservative Party of Canada should be outlawed everywhere east of Red Deer, and only allowed day passes to British Columbia.

However, let us rejoice. The danger is past. The Vote of Confidence wolves have left the Commons door, gone down the Hill past the (gas-powered) Centennial Flame, and checked into the Radisson Hotel on Queen Street. The Liberal-NDP majority government still stands. The Justin Trudeau-Jagmeet Singh pact has held the fort. What a shield against disorder and chaos this embrace of Parliamentary champions has been.

A thought. In the midst of this storm of iconoclastic tear-downs, (John A. ripped from Queen’s U.) why not a present-day marble figurine of Jagmeet and Justin entwined in a non-partisan embrace? For you classicists, Damon and Pythias visit Parliament Hill.

But back to the jubilee. No fall election folks. A nation, from behind its collective face grill of linen germ-stoppers, exhales a long, deep sigh of relief. Unless, of course, the nation is outdoors partaking in a social justice exhibition. In which case the nation may sigh with wild abandon, absent the mask on its breathing holes, beautifully confident that the laws of droplet dispersion and proximity infection never apply when the cause is righteous.

But Hallelujah! again. There will be no election, and Trudeau’s huge dare over his and his family’s interesting cohabitation with WE and its many arms, has been won. Thanks to Jagmeet Singh, and the Liberals’ own obedient caucus, the Tories’ three amigos are stymied. WE Inc. and the Liberal shenanigans will remain the mystery they should remain. The untroubled tranquility of our once-upon-a-time Dominion, the deep quiet of a neutered Parliament, a blockaded Opposition, and a bland press corps will be, must be, celebrated, coast to coma-calm coast.