Trudeau: Stronger Environmental policy would have gotten us Keystone XL

taxslave

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Whoever pushed the pipelines through will get the union vote. If Obma doesn't do it now expect to see a republican government come the next election. And a pipeline.
 

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KXL is on hold for a bit anyway: Nebraska Judge Voids Governor's Right to Set Keystone XL Route | Environment News Service
I expect money will win out over ecological concerns.
Farming is depleting the aquifer faster than the aquifer can be replenished (it's already down some 11% since 1950 and usage is accelerating; down about 2% between 2000 and 2007) so I expect NB will be another NV within a few generations. Gotta love population growth.

Anyway, yeah, any time a politician is involved, votes are the main concern and anything else is secondary.

That goes without saying, but it doesn't detract from the actual policy those voters want.

It's just incredible that that petros and cap'n Morgan are making consideration of constituents sound like a negative thing.
 

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That goes without saying, but it doesn't detract from the actual policy those voters want.

It's just incredible that that petros and cap'n Morgan are making consideration of constituents sound like a negative thing.

Which constituents? The idle rich or the regular voters that want the jobs?
 

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Whoever pushed the pipelines through will get the union vote. If Obma doesn't do it now expect to see a republican government come the next election. And a pipeline.
Yep, it's a tug of war between voters who want/need jobs and environmentalists. Even without the profit issue, I think jobs will win out over environmental concerns. Short-term thinking usually is the SOP especially amongst politicians.

Excuse me. If it's about the people he's representing, then it is partly about the environment.
To some of his constituents, yes. To others, it's about jobs and that sorta stuff.
 

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I guess my real point is that the policy decision always leads back to a course of action - like the economy or the environment. But it's a petty red herring (as cap'n and petros regularly employ) when instead of focusing on the actual activity they try to smear Obamers by pointing out he has to pander to constituents.

As if recognizing democracy is some intuitive counterpoint.
 

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I guess my real point is that the policy decision always leads back to a course of action - like the economy or the environment. But it's a petty red herring (as cap'n and petros regularly employ) when instead of focusing on the actual activity they try to smear Obamers by pointing out he has to pander to constituents.

As if recognizing democracy is some intuitive counterpoint.
The constituents Obamer is pandering to are in New England
 

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I guess my real point is that the policy decision always leads back to a course of action - like the economy or the environment. But it's a petty red herring (as cap'n and petros regularly employ) when instead of focusing on the actual activity they try to smear Obamers by pointing out he has to pander to constituents.

As if recognizing democracy is some intuitive counterpoint.

Did you watch any of the link- untouchables????
Here is the original thread
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us-american-politics/113946-untouchables-frontline.html
 

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Justin is a complete idiot.

The only environmental policy that would please anti-Keystone Americans is to leave the oil in the ground.
 

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From Goobers link said:
What happened in the collapse of various banks in 2008 was mind-boggling.
It is mind blowing that Canadian banks scooped them up and moved into the US market. The Canadian taxpayer is bankrolling them to drive our dollar down as they score deals of the century in former US assets.

The housing crash was big news but not a peep a year later when commercial properties tanked.
 

mentalfloss

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Our stricter banking regulations are the reason we rebounded faster from 2008 than most countries.
 

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We should never have joined the US on the war on "terrorism" etc. That was a huge mistake too. .

When American fighter pilots drop a bomb on Canadian troops and chalk it up as no big deal just part of war, political are not motivated to follow them into a war, besides Bush Jr. went to the UN to get them to invade Iraq when he saw that it would be a no vote he ordered his troops to invade. Our Prime Minister made the correct choice.
 

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Our stricter banking regulations are the reason we rebounded faster from 2008 than most countries.
But they were not strict enough and a lax attitude permeated our banks - emulating the U.S. for a while - and we are just lucky the banks got their act together, slightly sooner to stop lending at subprime or overlending.

Now if they can get the credit card companies (affiliated with said banks) to back down and let banks help average citizen recover the craziness of that time we might have a hope.

Emulating the United States is always bad business. Harper wants to schmooze with the US to the point of almost destroying us. So yes, the Canadian Banks had a one up due to their strict past policies, but they were slowly going down the same tube as the US 2003-2008 they got caught in that "rush", of subprime, build more, charge more, hype, hype. Average US and Canadian citizen can now barely hang onto their homes due to rapid escalation of property which soared through the ceiling, and then no cushion for them when it fell.

Some - like the Banks in Canada, were already strong, so they made it through, by a hair and they did catch themselves and start lending conservatively again. But by then they already gave huge loans to Corporations. The little guys gets the flack in all of this, you are so right on that point.

Banks of Canada should not brag too much, they were almost in the toilet, and yes, we all have to pay that price. They get the most rigid with the little guy, one can be sure the Big Corps are still getting better breaks than the plebians.
 

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When American fighter pilots drop a bomb on Canadian troops and chalk it up as no big deal just part of war, political are not motivated to follow them into a war, besides Bush Jr. went to the UN to get them to invade Iraq when he saw that it would be a no vote he ordered his troops to invade. Our Prime Minister made the correct choice.
I disagree vehemently about following them into war. As for the first of your statement? When American fighter pilots drop a bomb on Canadian troops? then we are to follow the US to war? Expand please, that just does not make sense.

As for us following them into war? Bush Jr (adjectives of which I will not post on here) was a mess of a leader overall. IMHO. He was puppet for sure.

We avoided Vietnam, we sure as hell should have avoided this other war.

No one had beefs with us. If the US were being overseas bullies we should STAY out of that.

Further, no one should be complaining about money being spent in our country on anything, nor whining about taxes if they supported the decision to go to war. Majority of the billions of tax dollars have gone to "military" struggles to aid the States in their retaliatory war games. The billions in war costs, casualties of life lost, and so forth, was not worth it.

And what is the end result so far? NOTHING< but more angst, war, terror for the people in Middle East who are affected. It crosses boundaries, Afganistan, Syria, Palestine, Israel, etc. It is THEIR war of ages mucked up with the interests of HIGH PLACES that we do not and never will know about ---- and the US wants to put its nose where it does not belong. We will never know what that war is really about: it is certainly NOT about aiding the people of the Middle East from their plight.

Hmmm, massive weapons of destruction was the beginning..... AND much of this smacks of the underground crap going on about Vietnam that caused a war over there.

The soldiers who come back shattered by war. I don't see one iota of a difference other than more tragedy for war torn countries. Because INNOCENT people are getting killed and retaliation and a whole different mindset happens in war torn countries.

We are supposed to be a peacekeeping nation.

I stand by that. The US freaks out over the attack on them. Yet they have instigated attacks on the Middle Eastern countries with a much greater loss of life over there long before 9/11. Retaliation was the name of that game and none of us will ever really know the truths behind all this war and tragedy.

We should stay the bloody hell out of it and remain as peacekeeping military and not a pro war military. Harper again, schmoozing with the US.

We are NOT the United States. Although I know and like many from that country. My grandchildren are Texans. So I am not against United States the "people".

But I do not like many government and military policies of the United States.
 

mentalfloss

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Nope. Resources and infrastructure.

The root cause of the problem was unwarranted loans.

We did not have that problem because of tight fiscal regulations in the banking sector.

It makes sense - better regulation keeps us safe.
 

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I disagree vehemently about following them into war. As for the first of your statement? When American fighter pilots drop a bomb on Canadian troops? then we are to follow the US to war? Expand please, that just does not make sense.
I does if you think the highest purpose for Canadian troops is to be bomb targets.