Trudeau: Stronger Environmental policy would have gotten us Keystone XL

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It's not a double cross for anyone if he follows the proper environmental checks.

Which he is doing.
 

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It's not a double cross for anyone if he follows the proper environmental checks.

Which he is doing.

Justin would have got the XL deal quicker


Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper had his chance at the kick of the can and with his tough talking and iron fisted approach in the political arena and the world stage, is coming back and giving him bittch slaps. The world leaders are looking at Harper as a spoiled little brat who is using oil as his big stick so they just humour him.

Stephen’s problem was that he formed government when Republican Bush Jr. ran America so he enjoyed his visits to the ranch in Texas. Harper forgot an important principal that is America is not his nation Canada is.

When Obama was running for president he told the Canadian embassy to work closely with the Republicans. It’s not a good idea for a government to interfere in a foreign country’s free elections

If the Canadian federal Conservatives want to be taken seriously they got to get a new leader because Harper is way past his expiration date.

Justin Trudeau is offering the same thing as his father of yesteryear, which is hope.

In Time Justin will mature and be one of the great Prime Ministers.

With all the Conservative attack ads aimed at Justin by 2015 he will be ready.
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wulfie68

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Trudeau is blowing smoke up the collective arses of anyone who will listen to this BS. Keystone XL's delay is more about TransCanada's failure to maintain some of its aging infrastructure than Canadian government environmental policy... and that is far behind the internal politics in the various states involved.
 

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Of course it's dependent on American politics.

They are the ones that have to take on the most risk from this deal.
Yeah, the risk of an improving economy. Can't have that because citizens won't be as reliant on the gubmint for handouts.
 

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He is absolute wrong- This is a political decision by Obama.

Absolutely!.. Only the most naive would believe it has to do with eco-reasons.... Hell, Nebraska has 10s of thousands of pipeline throughout their State already, and they apparently don't want a new one that is constructed of the latest materials and newest tech... The environmental concern is a massive, steaming pile of BS

It's not a double cross for anyone if he follows the proper environmental checks.

Which he is doing.


See above, especially the element of naivety
 

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Justine Trudeau will be a mamby pamby even more PC than any other leader. Example was his statement that we might offend Muslims if Canadians say honour killings are barbaric.
Many times he has no idea how to speak publicly and one never really gets the gist of where he stands on issues. He ends up defending the perpetrators (Boston Bombers for example) and has said on more than one occasion his leanings are toward Quebec separatism.

Sun News has more of his flubby, confusing comments.
Sun News : Top ten dumb Justin Trudeau statements

Beware, be very aware!,
of those with wavy hair and a flashy smile,
sometimes it is a wolf in sheeps clothing!

I would be extremely afraid of him getting in higher office. It is bad enough he got where he is now.
 

petros

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They are not even vaguely close to being oil independent.
Over 40% of USA's oil is imported and the majority of that is Canadian.
Stranding Canadian oil helps keep the price down and supplies up and thus explains why the Americans are funding
anti-development agencies in Canada.

Close to 50% of America's power generation is still provided by coal which is generally regarded as the dirtiest and most inefficient source of energy
on the planet.
U.S. oil imports fell sharply again in 2013 while petroleum exports rose, leading some analysts to proclaim that a new era of energy independence is just a few years away.

Experts largely credit new drilling techniques that have unearthed vast troves of previously inaccessible oil embedded in shale deposits in states such as North Dakota and Texas.

"We're at the beginning of a long upswing," says Citigroup analyst Eric Lee.

Crude oil imports declined 9% last year to 2.8 billion barrels, lowest since 1995, and are down 17% since 2010, according to the Census Bureau.

Meanwhile, exports, mostly of refined gasoline and diesel, rose about 11%, narrowing the country's petroleum deficit by about $59 billion, or 20%, to $233 billion. Lee attributes the exports' increase to the abundance of U.S. oil and reduced U.S. consumption as fuel-efficient vehicles proliferate.

They are the ones that have to take on the most risk from this deal.
What risk?

Absolutely!.. Only the most naive would believe it has to do with eco-reasons.... Hell, Nebraska has 10s of thousands of pipeline throughout their State already, and they apparently don't want a new one that is constructed of the latest materials and newest tech... The environmental concern is a massive, steaming pile of BS
Keystone 1 runs though the hockaloogie aquifer already as well as about 10 others not to mention domestic gas.

Beware, be very aware!,
of those with wavy hair and a flashy smile,
sometimes it is a wolf in sheeps clothing!
 

barra

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Justin would have got the XL deal quicker


Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper had his chance at the kick of the can and with his tough talking and iron fisted approach in the political arena and the world stage, is coming back and giving him bittch slaps. The world leaders are looking at Harper as a spoiled little brat who is using oil as his big stick so they just humour him.

Stephen’s problem was that he formed government when Republican Bush Jr. ran America so he enjoyed his visits to the ranch in Texas. Harper forgot an important principal that is America is not his nation Canada is.

When Obama was running for president he told the Canadian embassy to work closely with the Republicans. It’s not a good idea for a government to interfere in a foreign country’s free elections

If the Canadian federal Conservatives want to be taken seriously they got to get a new leader because Harper is way past his expiration date.

Justin Trudeau is offering the same thing as his father of yesteryear, which is hope.

In Time Justin will mature and be one of the great Prime Ministers.

With all the Conservative attack ads aimed at Justin by 2015 he will be ready.
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Pierre Trudeau - Just Watch me - YouTube
As I mentioned, I would not be too hasty to assess the son like the father - Trudeau junior is a wolf in sheeps clothing, or maybe not .....just a wavy haired guy who likes the limelight. Either way, he is a dangerous person in politics because he has no clue what he is doing. He will PC us into the ground and flub around until we don't know what hit us.

History shows very well that sons are never leaders like their fathers, and it skips a generation. Where is Justins hard work? or proof of anything other than spouting some very confusing lines to the press most times. Just because he opposes Harper, does not make him intelligent or a good leader.

Harper is not much better, and we we know Harper was schmoozing to be noticed by world leaders and sold Canada out from under us, and not very smooth at that.

We should never have joined the US on the war on "terrorism" etc. That was a huge mistake too. Good politicians would roll over in their graves at the state of Canada right now.

I cannot see anyone who can effectively lead Canada back to what Canada is all about. Mulclair has been living too long in Quebec so he worries me too. We have to start saying lots of prayers.
 

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Absolutely!.. Only the most naive would believe it has to do with eco-reasons.... Hell, Nebraska has 10s of thousands of pipeline throughout their State already, and they apparently don't want a new one that is constructed of the latest materials and newest tech... The environmental concern is a massive, steaming pile of BS




See above, especially the element of naivety

It's not Nebraska, it's that one aquifer in Nebraska.

So, no naivety here sir. Just your uninformed opinion and red herrings again.
 

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Ogala (or as Petros has described it more accurately: Hockaloogie) has thousands of miles of 50 year old leaky pipe through it along with the tons and tons of fertilizer and animal waste that seeps into the aquifer.

Nope, naivety is the nice way to put it
 

petros

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Ogala (or as Petros has described it more accurately: Hockaloogie) has thousands of miles of 50 year old leaky pipe through it along with the tons and tons of fertilizer and animal waste that seeps into the aquifer.

Nope, naivety is the nice way to put it
You can't drink well water in NE
 

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Ogala (or as Petros has described it more accurately: Hockaloogie) has thousands of miles of 50 year old leaky pipe through it along with the tons and tons of fertilizer and animal waste that seeps into the aquifer.

Nope, naivety is the nice way to put it

It's the part of the aquifer in Nebraska.

Obviously.
 

mentalfloss

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XL will be cutting across the North Eastern edge so they wouldn't be putting up the fight if there wasn't some environmental concern to them.

For all intents and purposes, this isn't about some grand orchestration, it's just as predictable as the news has been reporting.
 

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KXL is on hold for a bit anyway: Nebraska Judge Voids Governor's Right to Set Keystone XL Route | Environment News Service
I expect money will win out over ecological concerns.
Farming is depleting the aquifer faster than the aquifer can be replenished (it's already down some 11% since 1950 and usage is accelerating; down about 2% between 2000 and 2007) so I expect NB will be another NV within a few generations. Gotta love population growth.

Anyway, yeah, any time a politician is involved, votes are the main concern and anything else is secondary.