Trudeau Derangement Syndrome Thread

Dixie Cup

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Canadian Values as you describe are what elected the Liberals.
I am not a Liberal but the people did not like the new values being
imposed. Division, Autocracy and one man rule by control freak
status.
The real unfortunate thing is this, the values presented by Harper
were not in many cases supported by main street conservatives
in society and they in turn voted Liberal to get rid of this government.
In turn many NDP voted Liberal because the NDP forgot who their
base was and abandoned them in the end in a bid for power much
like Harper did to gain power. Young people determined what the new
and base values are.
More environmental issues more social sharing and more open
governance more freedom for scientists and more infrastructure.
When a government receives the mandate like the Liberals did it comes
because the government in power was not living by the values Canadians
expected of them and that is exactly what happened. There are far more
urban areas than rural ones and if you look at the map the Conservative
values pertain to a rural Canada while the youth and urban Canadians
want values different from what we were getting. the map shows what might
well happen south of us in the American Election Large urban centers
Democrat rural America with less population Republican, and that is what
happened To make it short in summery Conservative values were NOT
Canadian values and Harper lost.
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Unfortunately Grumps, I don't think Canadian values entered this election at all. It was style over substance and that because clear before the election was even called. Having said that, I hope that Trudeau shows substance but already it's looking bleak.


He's sending 2+billion to the UN. Where is the money coming from (the infrastructure pot?) and who is actually going to receive this money. I bet you dollars to donuts that the countries that this so called UN fund is suppose to assist, the people won't see a penny of it but their dictators sure will! Mark my words - I said it here first!


JMHO
 

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Confidence in the country has shot up almost 20 points to 61 per cent

National Mood Soars as Direction of Federal Government Hits Highest Levels since 2001


TRUDEAUMANIA 2.0?

[Ottawa – December 11, 2015] A year end check up on the national reception to the new Liberal government is producing nothing short of a dramatic reversal of years of torpor and division about the federal government. Confidence in the country has shot up almost 20 points to 61 per cent positive since the last read when the Harper government was sitting. More significantly, confidence in the direction of the federal government is almost as high as national direction at 58 per cent and this is the highest score for federal direction since 2001. For a neophyte Prime Minister who was depicted as ‘not ready’ and languished in third place entering the recent campaign, this is a strong public endorsement.

The good news for Justin Trudeau carries over to his approval rating which is also soaring at 64 per cent. There are some quibbles and quarrels over the directional measures; Alberta and Saskatchewan are much less ebullient, while Conservatives are underwhelmed. Overall, however, these are giddy numbers for the new government and can be seen as broad relief at the new style and focus of this incipient government.

While most an anecdotal curiosity, vote intention shows the Liberals close to what would be a majority even in a pure proportional voting system. Their 46 points is over twice the support they had in the spring. For the NDP, the news is as bad as it is good for the Liberals. Their support has plummeted to the mid-teens and they appear to be going backward in a hurry. After a brief but real flirtation with forming government, the NDP has retreated to pre-2011 levels and they are in danger of being squeezed out of the new political order. Their leader still scores respectably on approval, although he is down slightly from the heady days when he seemed destined for highest office.

The response to the broad framing of the new government’s agenda is quite instructive and puts to rest the idea that fiscal rectitude was a more pressing priority than a more active government. This, of course, was the critical misjudgement of the NDP in the last election and if the new government is looking for vindication of its return to boldness and activism it need look no further than to public response to the Speech from the Throne.

Noting that the throne speech signalled what might well have been the boldest and most ambitious federal agenda ever, the response has been very clear. Not only did the levels of attention to the throne speech eclipse all previous records, it also achieved very strong endorsement from the public. It might be interesting to compare the public response of the new throne speech to the last one delivered by a Liberal government in Ottawa. Paul Martin’s throne speech of 2004 received much less attention and much more tepid approval. The clear majority approved of this throne speech in what may have been another record positive for such a speech.

It is notable that the modal response was moderate – not strong – approval and the public have yet to see the bill for this boldness but it has the earmarks of causing possible sticker shock at some future date. This will become doubly true if the economy continues to sputter and the public outlook on the economy is decisively gloomy. We may be seeing a democratic boom but most see the economy in a state of bust.

more....

National Mood Soars as Direction of Federal Government Hits Highest Levels since 2001 « EKOS Politics
 

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Justin's First Christmas









Merry Christmas, baby: Margaret recalls Justin Trudeau's 1st Noel - Politics - CBC News




 

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Unfortunately Grumps, I don't think Canadian values entered this election at all. It was style over substance and that because clear before the election was even called. Having said that, I hope that Trudeau shows substance but already it's looking bleak.


He's sending 2+billion to the UN. Where is the money coming from (the infrastructure pot?) and who is actually going to receive this money. I bet you dollars to donuts that the countries that this so called UN fund is suppose to assist, the people won't see a penny of it but their dictators sure will! Mark my words - I said it here first!


JMHO

Not likely. 60% will be used up by the UN in administration.

Confidence in the country has shot up almost 20 points to 61 per cent

National Mood Soars as Direction of Federal Government Hits Highest Levels since 2001


TRUDEAUMANIA 2.0?

[Ottawa – December 11, 2015] A year end check up on the national reception to the new Liberal government is producing nothing short of a dramatic reversal of years of torpor and division about the federal government. Confidence in the country has shot up almost 20 points to 61 per cent positive since the last read when the Harper government was sitting. More significantly, confidence in the direction of the federal government is almost as high as national direction at 58 per cent and this is the highest score for federal direction since 2001. For a neophyte Prime Minister who was depicted as ‘not ready’ and languished in third place entering the recent campaign, this is a strong public endorsement.

The good news for Justin Trudeau carries over to his approval rating which is also soaring at 64 per cent. There are some quibbles and quarrels over the directional measures; Alberta and Saskatchewan are much less ebullient, while Conservatives are underwhelmed. Overall, however, these are giddy numbers for the new government and can be seen as broad relief at the new style and focus of this incipient government.

While most an anecdotal curiosity, vote intention shows the Liberals close to what would be a majority even in a pure proportional voting system. Their 46 points is over twice the support they had in the spring. For the NDP, the news is as bad as it is good for the Liberals. Their support has plummeted to the mid-teens and they appear to be going backward in a hurry. After a brief but real flirtation with forming government, the NDP has retreated to pre-2011 levels and they are in danger of being squeezed out of the new political order. Their leader still scores respectably on approval, although he is down slightly from the heady days when he seemed destined for highest office.

The response to the broad framing of the new government’s agenda is quite instructive and puts to rest the idea that fiscal rectitude was a more pressing priority than a more active government. This, of course, was the critical misjudgement of the NDP in the last election and if the new government is looking for vindication of its return to boldness and activism it need look no further than to public response to the Speech from the Throne.

Noting that the throne speech signalled what might well have been the boldest and most ambitious federal agenda ever, the response has been very clear. Not only did the levels of attention to the throne speech eclipse all previous records, it also achieved very strong endorsement from the public. It might be interesting to compare the public response of the new throne speech to the last one delivered by a Liberal government in Ottawa. Paul Martin’s throne speech of 2004 received much less attention and much more tepid approval. The clear majority approved of this throne speech in what may have been another record positive for such a speech.

It is notable that the modal response was moderate – not strong – approval and the public have yet to see the bill for this boldness but it has the earmarks of causing possible sticker shock at some future date. This will become doubly true if the economy continues to sputter and the public outlook on the economy is decisively gloomy. We may be seeing a democratic boom but most see the economy in a state of bust.

more....

National Mood Soars as Direction of Federal Government Hits Highest Levels since 2001 « EKOS Politics
On the bright side the numbers now have no where to go but down.
 

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Tory presents Trudeau with a Leafs jersey, as Trudeau shows off his Habs socks






 

Curious Cdn

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It's just CRAZY all of the things that Justin has done !!! The low dollar! The price of oil! ISIS! Benghaz ... er, not that one ... yet.

Tory presents Trudeau with a Leafs jersey, as Trudeau shows off his Habs socks







Did he show him his Bruins jock strap, as well?
 

davesmom

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Every night media hosts interview Liberal Cabinet Ministers and get the same non-answers.
When asked direct questions they answer with the same phrases over and over and over, ad nauseum!
'We have a plan......", "We are looking into......."," We want to get it right", "We will be airing our plan soon.....", "We are working on that......".
I wonder how long it will take them to actually DO something?
 

damngrumpy

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The Liberals did not get my vote either however I don't mind what they are doing
as long as they dismantle much of Harper's platform. The Conservatives were
not my choice either in this election. In fact i stayed true to what I said I supported
Mulcair even after he said he would balance the budget. People of any party that
has had their way too long think the country should operate by their rules even
after they are thrown out of office.
People were no longer in a conservative mood and the program of meager small
government with few services for people and the middle class. I am a senior and
I know many others that couldn't wait to go to the polls and take their revenge on
Harper. I know a lot of people and everywhere I went it was the same lets get him
out That is why some MP's long standing in safe riding's lost their seat
Seventy percent of the people voted against Harper so its clear they didn't trust him
anymore
 

JLM

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Every night media hosts interview Liberal Cabinet Ministers and get the same non-answers.
When asked direct questions they answer with the same phrases over and over and over, ad nauseum!
'We have a plan......", "We are looking into......."," We want to get it right", "We will be airing our plan soon.....", "We are working on that......".
I wonder how long it will take them to actually DO something?

I think we are about to embark on a long drawn out situation that will be far worse than anything we suffered under Harper. Young Justin is very soon going to come to the realization that he is unable to supply many services. Paying the basic bills and hopefully covering healthcare is going to be about the limit of what he can provide. People should be starting to pay heed and study up on 15 ways of preparing bean soup. With the upcoming predicament I'd take my chances with Harper any day.
 

davesmom

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I think we are about to embark on a long drawn out situation that will be far worse than anything we suffered under Harper. Young Justin is very soon going to come to the realization that he is unable to supply many services. Paying the basic bills and hopefully covering healthcare is going to be about the limit of what he can provide. People should be starting to pay heed and study up on 15 ways of preparing bean soup. With the upcoming predicament I'd take my chances with Harper any day.

Trudeau won't come to any such realization! If things don't work out his way he will find someone, something else to blame.
He is of the popular Liberal idea that if it doesn't work they will MAKE it work.
Liberals are still playing down the dire state of the economy; maybe they're not aware of the $7 cauliflowers, $45 beef roasts, $4 heads of lettuce and cucumbers.!! They don't have to worry about the $2-3 per month hydro bills, the futility of having no savings left, mountains of debt and no job prospects.
They think it's perfectly sane to keep bringing refugees in and paying their keep while our own citizens are struggling to feed themselves.
Liberals think abandoning our allies in the fight against ISIS is the way to go. It's happened, the coalition partners have already written Canada off.
They brag about their tax cuts to 'the middle class' which won't take effect until income tax time if at all, but NOW is when people need help. Not next April!
As seniors on a fixed income I and my husband are cutting corners to the point where there are no more corners to cut. We're hanging onto our home (which is paid for) by the skin of our teeth.
The sad thing is, people are supporting the government in the idea that we can keep living beyond our means and still look forward to a balanced budget.

The Liberals did not get my vote either however I don't mind what they are doing
as long as they dismantle much of Harper's platform. The Conservatives were
not my choice either in this election. In fact i stayed true to what I said I supported
Mulcair even after he said he would balance the budget. People of any party that
has had their way too long think the country should operate by their rules even
after they are thrown out of office.
People were no longer in a conservative mood and the program of meager small
government with few services for people and the middle class. I am a senior and
I know many others that couldn't wait to go to the polls and take their revenge on
Harper. I know a lot of people and everywhere I went it was the same lets get him
out That is why some MP's long standing in safe riding's lost their seat
Seventy percent of the people voted against Harper so its clear they didn't trust him
anymore

What the Liberals are doing is NOTHING! So how could you 'mind' it?
Well I mind it! And so do the millions of people who were promised spending to create jobs. They are figuratively 'fiddling while Rome burns'!
They want to boost the economy by investing in infrastructure, then why are they dragging their fee? Why aren't they doing it?
People need jobs NOW, not in some vague distant future!
Trudeau is heading off to the 'playground of the rich and famous' on the pretext of soliciting investment in Canada. All he'll end up with is another photo op; if the rich thought there was any benefit to investing in Canada they would be doing it without Trudeau's coaxing.
All the Liberals have done so far is increase the population by several thousand dependants at a time when the average Canadian
can't even afford to support himself. And I and all the unemployed Canadians certainly mind that!
 

petros

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There is no way in hell the BoC can raise interest rates to rebound the dollar and encourage investment without consumers taking it even harder on the chin.

Expect to see 4 years of inflation leading to strikes, lay offs and foreclosures.
 

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There is no way in hell the BoC can raise interest rates to rebound the dollar and encourage investment without consumers taking it even harder on the chin.

Expect to see 4 years of inflation leading to strikes, lay offs and foreclosures.

Who would be interested in investing in Canada with interest rates close to zero?
 

davesmom

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Who would be interested in investing in Canada with interest rates close to zero?

Silly you! Trudeau will smile at his fellow rich dikks, shake their hands, pat them on the back and they will be eager to do his bidding.
Don't you think those 'rich and powerful' people he plans to woo might be the ones who are running world affairs behind the scenes? Isn't it just possible that they will agree to invest in Canada if Trudeau promises to do as they tell him to do?
Considering the policies that the world leaders execute it is reasonable to believe they are getting orders behind the scenes for future consideration.
Why else would a leader like Angela Merkel who previously demonstrated common sense agree to admit that number of refugees into Germany?
Why would countries have agreed to form the EU when some of them were economically sound and the majority of countries were not?
There had to be some clandestine inducement!
Successful rich people do not usually take on the problems and debts of others out of the goodness of their hearts.
 

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I think we are about to embark on a long drawn out situation that will be far worse than anything we suffered under Harper. Young Justin is very soon going to come to the realization that he is unable to supply many services. Paying the basic bills and hopefully covering healthcare is going to be about the limit of what he can provide. People should be starting to pay heed and study up on 15 ways of preparing bean soup. With the upcoming predicament I'd take my chances with Harper any day.

You would wouldn't you? Harpers how we got to the edge of this cliff. He danced to the Atlantist tunes like the fool he is and took thier little trinkets and now many of us will starve for that traitorous dog.


There is no way in hell the BoC can raise interest rates to rebound the dollar and encourage investment without consumers taking it even harder on the chin.

Expect to see 4 years of inflation leading to strikes, lay offs and foreclosures.


There is no way in hell the BoC can raise interest rates to rebound the dollar and encourage investment without consumers taking it even harder on the chin.

Expect to see 4 years of inflation leading to strikes, lay offs and foreclosures.

If only we could be so lucky, deflation will be the unwinding of the Canadian economy.
Over supply has already wrecked the oil biz
 

Walter

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If only we could be so lucky, deflation will be the unwinding of the Canadian economy.
Over supply has already wrecked the oil biz
O, ye of little faith. Tech advances have already lowered profitability to less than $20/b at a lot of wellheads.