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Which puts you in an excellent position to attempt to ignore the fact that the UK is officially a Christian country.


Agreed.


No, it isn't. There is no necessary correlation between religion and oppression.
this isn't about the meat, it's about fear...I don't think people are so tolerant... I am tolerant only up until my level of tolerance allows you to take away my freedom. Right now under the Christian regime, I feel pretty free.

Just putting that out there.[/QUOTE]
At the moment, I do too. Not so much 40 years ago in the Indian school.[/QUOTE]
That Indian school started you on the road to your law degree .
 

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Inside Britain’s big, dumb halal pizza scandal

Hmmm. . . if Westerners are as tolerant as some folk hereabouts like to claim, why are they organising boycotts of chains that use halal meat? A body might think "tolerant" would be "I won't eat there, but they can do as they please."

"That turns out not to be the case."
--Captain Lord Roderick Blaine, The Mote in God's Eye

Is Halal just another choice on the menu, then what is that problem.

http://www.halalrc.org/images/Research Material/Literature/halal Guidelines.pdf

http://www.ifanca.org/halalfoodserv/Halal Kitchen In-Service Guide for Foodservice Operators.pdf
 

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I do not eat deli meat because it is not the best choice to make from a health perspective (for me). I get to make the choice.


Yep, deli meat is mostly crap, two exceptions being head cheese and roast beef.
 

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Inside Britain’s big, dumb halal pizza scandal

Hmmm. . . if Westerners are as tolerant as some folk hereabouts like to claim, why are they organising boycotts of chains that use halal meat?

Why should we be "tolerant" about things which shouldn't be tolerated? Why should we be "tolerant" about halal meat? Why should non-Christians be unknowingly fed Halal meat, even if they don't want to eat it, just to cater for the tiny proportion of the British population - less than 3% - that is Muslim? Why should the 97% eat Islamic food just because 3% are Muslim?

Like I always say - It's another situation of the vast non-Muslim population having to cater for the tiny Muslim population. It's another case of British culture being Islamicised just to cater for a tiny proportion of people who are Muslim. It's wrong.

It's about time Halal was banned in Britain. Countries such as Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland and several other European countries have banned this barbaric practise. It's time Britain followed suit. The EU is wanting to ban Halal it in all its member states.

I'm getting fed up of Britain bending over backwards to "tolerate" foreign cultures. Foreigners moving to Britain should adopt British laws and customs, not vice versa.


We Muslims should be appalled by the sale of halal meat by stealth

9 May 2014
Daily Mail

(By Dr Taj Hargey, Director of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford and Imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation)

When I walk into a restaurant, I’m usually a hungry customer. It shouldn’t be important to the waiter what my religion is.

I could be a Muslim, a Christian or a Jedi warrior. Whatever my beliefs, I have a right to enjoy my meal without any hidden agendas.

Pizza Express, one of Britain’s favourite food institutions, admitted this week that all the chicken it serves has been killed according to traditional halal methods. The blood was drained from the bird and prayers were recited during the slaughter.


Production line: Chickens after ritual slaughter in a halal abattoir in Burgundy, France

Now it turns out that the meat in many supermarkets is also halal — though there is no recognisable label to indicate this fact to consumers.

This is covert religious extremism and creeping Islamic fundamentalism making its way into Britain by the back door. It is completely wrong that the food sensitivities of Britain’s Muslims — who amount to just 4.8 per cent of the population — should take precedence over the other 95 per cent.

Halal meat should never be forced on customers without their knowing, surreptitiously and using clandestine methods. It’s unfair to everyone, non-Muslims and Muslims alike. It’s deception on a grand scale for the former, while it could fuel bitter resentment against the latter.

Of course I understand that many of my fellow Muslims, who are moderates not militants, will feel strongly that they wish to eat meat that has been killed by customary halal methods — and they have a perfect right to do so.


With halal meat blood is drained from the animals and prayers are recited during the slaughter

But many misconceptions need to be clarified, because I am certain that most people don’t understand where these rules about food came from, and who benefits from them.

First of all, if you’ve just tucked into a chicken pizza without knowing it was halal meat, it hasn’t done you any physical harm. But it hasn’t done you any spiritual good, either. Muslims don’t believe that religious observance can be used as a holy shortcut or a ticket to paradise.

Furthermore, the idea that Muslims cannot eat non-halal food — food that is suitable for Christians — is completely wrong, and it has no theological basis in the Koran, the supreme text of Islam.

I’m a dedicated Muslim, a devout religionist, an imam and intellectual scholar of Islam, but I eat whatever food is placed before me, with the obvious exception of pork. If you’re kind enough to invite me to your home, I would eat whatever meat you chose to serve: turkey, lamb, chicken, beef … anything except pork.

This is perfectly permissible in Islam, and the crucial thing is that it doesn’t have to be halal meat. No one wants an imam to be quoting chapter and verse of the Koran over the turkey sandwiches, but it is important that everyone understands how clearcut the teaching is.


Chapter five, verse five of the Koran states: ‘This day all good things are made lawful for you. The food of the People of the Book [meaning the Jews and the Christians] is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them …’

There are no ifs and buts about that. The Koran does expect us to be thankful for our food, however.

I teach in Oxford, and when I go to dining halls in the university, I eat what is available. I must say, I’m partial to a slice of steak.

At the point of consumption, before I put the food in my mouth, I give thanks, with a brief prayer that Muslims have been saying for more than 1,400 years.

I say: ‘In the name of God, the most Merciful, the most Gracious.’ Christian readers will recognise what I’m doing — it’s very similar to the concept of saying grace.

The Koran says we cannot eat slaughtered meat unless the name of God exclusively has been pronounced over it, not any other deity or idol.

So, it does not really matter if, when that cow or lamb was slaughtered, the abattoir workers were saying prayers or playing heavy rock music at full blast on their radios. The individual prayer just prior to actual consumption makes the meat fit — halal — to eat.



 
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Easy solution: have some priest or whoever bless the meat as well, or say a _________ (fill in the religion of choice) prayer over your meal before you eat, to wipe out that Islamic contimination**. It's covered, all good, enjoy a pizza.

Mountain's out of mole hills. Yeesh.

As it is, I don't get it and maybe that's cause I don't really care. Chicken is chicken, I'm not Muslim so doesn't matter to me if it's blessed or not. All I do care about is if the animal suffers more than it should. Until now no one cared, right? So why suddenly is it a big deal?

(** sarcasm is your friend)
 

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Easy solution:

The easiest solution would be for Britain to outlaw halal meat just as many other European countries have.

We should also ban the burka as well, again just like several other European countries have. Halal and the burka should have no place in modern Britain.
 

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Easy solution: have some priest or whoever bless the meat as well, or say a _________ (fill in the religion of choice) prayer over your meal before you eat, to wipe out that Islamic contimination**. It's covered, all good, enjoy a pizza.

Mountain's out of mole hills. Yeesh.

As it is, I don't get it and maybe that's cause I don't really care. Chicken is chicken, I'm not Muslim so doesn't matter to me if it's blessed or not. All I do care about is if the animal suffers more than it should. Until now no one cared, right? So why suddenly is it a big deal?

(** sarcasm is your friend)

You are right, Sister. Of course, if the consumer senses his food has been bewitched by alien prayer and no priest or pastor is at the ready, he can simply purchase a vial of holy water (Available on line from Spade's stream of consciousness) to sprinkle on the meat and potatoes to remove the spell and to impart a more familiar religion's taste.

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If not into holy water, I have vials of sacred air collected from the very centre of the Ring of Brodgar that produces the same salutory effects. These vials are more expensive and are for one use only. However, in the case of one's palate, price should not be a consideration.
 

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What a pile of crap. Where the food is processed, the processors go to the most prescriptive methods. That way they can sell into all kinds of markets without the added expense of having separate processing procedures. Lots of industries operate in this way. Meet the most stringent guidelines and then you have nothing to worry about.

The rationale for outlawing Halal in other countries is related to animal welfare.
 

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The easiest solution would be for Britain to outlaw halal meat just as many other European countries have.

We should also ban the burka as well, again just like several other European countries have. Halal and the burka should have no place in modern Britain.

Gonna ban kosher too? Just askin'.

Never thought I'd say this but I do kind of agree on the burka thing. Kind of. It's part of their interpertation of religion and they have as much right to wear it as say some fundy Christians have to force their women into dresses, head scarves, not cutting their hair, etc. That said, a burka is an extreme - to me - type of emotional and mental abuse and control on women. If they want their women to wear such things, stay in countries where it's acceptable. Women in the "west" have a right to step out of these things if they so wish and it shouldn't be forced upon them nor should they face consequences should they refuse to wear a burka.

You are right, Sister. Of course, if the consumer senses his food has been bewitched by alien prayer and no priest or pastor is at the ready, he can simply purchase a vial of holy water (Available on line from Spade's stream of consciousness) to sprinkle on the meat and potatoes to remove the spell and to impart a more familiar religion's taste.

PS
If not into holy water, I have vials of sacred air collected from the very centre of the Ring of Brodgar that produces the same salutory effects. These vials are more expensive and are for one use only. However, in the case of one's palate, price should not be a consideration.

Perhaps a purifying fire of contained Balrog flame could also help cleanse such meals of any alien influences. Of course you'd have to be careful that it doesn't pass beyond the plated meal set before you.
 

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It's easy to understand how it got this way. A small minority wants their meat a certain way while the rest of the population doesn't care. If it's cost effective companies will just cater all meat to the minority.

Now because some people are idiot xenophobes, and others secretly want an excuse to be, they start pretending they care about animal cruelty. Do you seriously think animals slaughtered using non-halal methods are treated humanely?
 

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Now because some people are idiot xenophobes, and others secretly want an excuse to be, they start pretending they care about animal cruelty. Do you seriously think animals slaughtered using non-halal methods are treated humanely?

I prefer the term "abbatoir" to "slaughterhouse" as the latter gives me a twinge of conscience. And, I never watch as a lobster, live and kicking like a trapped spider, is plunged into boiling water.
 

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I prefer the term "abbatoir" to "slaughterhouse" as the latter gives me a twinge of conscience. And, I never watch as a lobster, live and kicking like a trapped spider, is plunged into boiling water.

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For those interested, decapods are being added to the list for animal welfare more and more. In my company we are now including them when we audit third party laboratories.