To what extent should we grant the right to bear arms?

To what extent ought we to have the right to bear arms?

  • Not at all. All weapons should be banned, no matter what.

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • To the extent necessary.

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • Totally. If I want to own an automatic rifle, or even a nuclear bomb, that's my business.

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Total voters
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Tyr

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OH ****!!!

Gotta go... Colpy see's this thread and he'll LOSE IT!!!

 

DaSleeper

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Crime in Canada

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Only one third of Canadian murders involve firearms. Most Canadian weapons are rifles or shotguns owned by rural property owners, hunters and target shooters, and are less likely to be used in crimes. Many types of weapons are banned or restricted in Canada. The two biggest provinces, Ontario and Quebec have had a long history of strict gun controls. Most of the users of these illegal firearms are youth in their teens and early 20s.
It is effectively illegal to carry concealed handguns in Canada. There is a permit that allows people to carry if they can prove they need to protect their lives but the permit is very rarely issued. Only about 50 permits had been issued in all of Canada as of 2000. In the same year there were approximately 1 million hand guns in Canada, compared to 77 million in the United States.[10] Defensive use of firearms is uncommon in Canada.[11]
Canada has more guns and fewer controls on them than most nations in Western Europe (exceptions being Finland, Norway and Switzerland which have comparatively fewer restrictions) or Japan. Gun ownership rate is about 27% of households with great regional variations, rural much higher urban, west higher than east. Guns are also illegally brought into Canada.[

First of all in Canada...at least in Ontario....it is called "Protected Carry" and in my little town of about 9,000 ....the year I took the wilderness handgun safety course....there were ten people who took and passed the course which included prospectors, trappers, and one helicopter pilot and one bush pilot and in Timmins there were about 15 who took and passed the course that same year....which makes me wonder about the accuracy of the # 50 for all of Canada:smile:
 

taxslave

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I chose total but that is not quite what I had in mind. Any citizen with no criminal record should be allowed to own any firearms he/she wants. Nukes are not really necessary bur a grenade launcher might come in handy for eliminating bad drivers. As for those with criminal convictions I think it would depend on the crime and the circumstances as to wether they should be allowed to own a weapon. Getting charged with growing pot should not count against you because pot should be legal anyway. IN any event criminals won't register guns regardless of the law so restricting ownership does no good. At best it denies law abiding taxpayers the right to own property. At worst our laws make criminals out of otherwise law full people because they choose to own something that a few petty bureaucrats and some vote desperate politicians decided they cannot have. To a criminal it does not matter what the laws say.
 

Spade

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No private citizen should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon of any sort smaller than a trebuchet.

If you look at the genetic-engineering-gone-bad at American gun shows, I think you'd agree!
 

Tyr

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No private citizen should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon of any sort smaller than a trebuchet.

If you look at the genetic-engineering-gone-bad at American gun shows, I think you'd agree!

STRICTLY for personal use. For protectin' the wumun folks and such from, from....

what is it we're protecting ourselves from these days????:roll:
 

Tyr

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I chose total but that is not quite what I had in mind. Any citizen with no criminal record should be allowed to own any firearms he/she wants. Nukes are not really necessary bur a grenade launcher might come in handy for eliminating bad drivers. As for those with criminal convictions I think it would depend on the crime and the circumstances as to wether they should be allowed to own a weapon. Getting charged with growing pot should not count against you because pot should be legal anyway. IN any event criminals won't register guns regardless of the law so restricting ownership does no good. At best it denies law abiding taxpayers the right to own property. At worst our laws make criminals out of otherwise law full people because they choose to own something that a few petty bureaucrats and some vote desperate politicians decided they cannot have. To a criminal it does not matter what the laws say.

Any citizen with no criminal record should be allowed to own any firearms he/she wants.

Ummmm. No

That just means he/she hasn't had a chance to get a Colt Python before that lost it at he next driver and blew large holes in the car and driver

My "ex brother-in-law" (thank god) was a prision guard in a max security in Utica, NY.

The local gun club (29 hanguns, an AK-47 and a composite sniper rifle were "de-rigeur") had an ad for an RPG for $999. Buy two and the second one was $1.

"Smart" gun buyers were splitting the difference. The ammo was a little hard to come by, but could be had in a very dark alley behind the "You stab 'em, we slab 'em" discount funeral parlour.

Think about it.... Moose vs. RPG. hmmm. I guess you wouldn't have to grind it for moose chilli
 

Machjo

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"Scripture teaches that one should destroy one's enemies, and take an eye for an eye: "Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies, that I might destroy them. (Samuel 22:40-42)...Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." (Deuteronomy 19:20-22 )"

Violent Book Huh? :lol:

So I take it you're Jewish then?
 

Colpy

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Any citizen with no criminal record should be allowed to own any firearms he/she wants.

Ummmm. No

That just means he/she hasn't had a chance to get a Colt Python before that lost it at he next driver and blew large holes in the car and driver

My "ex brother-in-law" (thank god) was a prision guard in a max security in Utica, NY.

The local gun club (29 hanguns, an AK-47 and a composite sniper rifle were "de-rigeur") had an ad for an RPG for $999. Buy two and the second one was $1.

"Smart" gun buyers were splitting the difference. The ammo was a little hard to come by, but could be had in a very dark alley behind the "You stab 'em, we slab 'em" discount funeral parlour.

Think about it.... Moose vs. RPG. hmmm. I guess you wouldn't have to grind it for moose chilli

First of all. an RPG is NOT a firearm. Try to stick to the subject. Secondly, did you ever see live ammo for it? Sold in dark alleys?

No. You didn't.

try to stick to reality.
 

Machjo

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I don't own a weapon yet, bu now that I think about it, I think I do need one.

As I was walking to work today, some woman walking on the other side of the street looked at me. I bet she was assesing whether I was armed or not so she could mug me.
Then just yesterday a couple walked by and their pooch suddenly jumped on me. Seriously, what if it had rabies.
Then just two days ago some college kid was knocking on my door. I looked out the window but didn't know him. Probably a crook tring to figure out if anyone was home. I called out from behind the door telling him that I was gonna call the cops if he didn't scram pronto. He tried to convince me that he'd just got the wrong address. Yeah right.
I definitely need a gun under my bed, just for protection.
 

Colpy

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You know me....I don't like gun control laws....I think they are usually repressive in concept, expensive to enact and enforce, and have no advantageous result.

But hey! I can compromise......I think licensing of owners is acceptable.....a graduated license to buy and possess, depending on the level of training of the recipient, and dependant on their passing a criminal records check........and I think those licenses should be graduated to cover the use of simple longguns in the hunting fields to concealed carry of handguns for personal protection.
 

ironsides

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I chose total but that is not quite what I had in mind. Any citizen with no criminal record should be allowed to own any firearms he/she wants. Nukes are not really necessary bur a grenade launcher might come in handy for eliminating bad drivers. As for those with criminal convictions I think it would depend on the crime and the circumstances as to wether they should be allowed to own a weapon. Getting charged with growing pot should not count against you because pot should be legal anyway. IN any event criminals won't register guns regardless of the law so restricting ownership does no good. At best it denies law abiding taxpayers the right to own property. At worst our laws make criminals out of otherwise law full people because they choose to own something that a few petty bureaucrats and some vote desperate politicians decided they cannot have. To a criminal it does not matter what the laws say.


Exactly, as it is now any law biding citizen owning a weapon as many do will probably become a criminals after the law is passed. We do not like giving up our last vestige of freedom. We give up all firearms and freedom becomes a gift ladled out at the whim of others. Convicted felons are not allowed by law to own a firearm of any sort. (the pot thing has to be sorted out, for now it is a felon also.) In case no one has noticed, the "others" I mentioned lately have not been doing a good job.
 

Cannuck

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It's supposed to be pretty nice today. I think I'll go with bare arms for the first time since November.
 

Cliffy

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I would like to see someone come up with a weapon that wild animals could use to protect themselves. Kind of motion detector technology that would only fire when detecting a biped, for example.
 

EagleSmack

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No private citizen should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon of any sort smaller than a trebuchet.

If you look at the genetic-engineering-gone-bad at American gun shows, I think you'd agree!

Now now... we should not gloat over that. It was a dumb thing for the boy's father to do and the Dad in question happens to be an MD.

Outside of that this was a funny post... a concealed trebuchet. I loved Medieval Total War.
 

EagleSmack

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First of all. an RPG is NOT a firearm. Try to stick to the subject. Secondly, did you ever see live ammo for it? Sold in dark alleys?

No. You didn't.

try to stick to reality.

Second... RPG's are illegal.
 

petros

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Remember the hand gun crime wave in Toronto a few years back with police, govt and media blaming guns coming from the US and asking for tighter controls?

They failed to mention those guns were stolen from a Canadian manufacturer (700+ hand guns). The govt knew this all along and was using fear as a means to take away more rights and freedoms.

If a news story induces fear it is more than likely propaganda drafted by our loving govt.
 

Colpy

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Remember the hand gun crime wave in Toronto a few years back with police, govt and media blaming guns coming from the US and asking for tighter controls?

They failed to mention those guns were stolen from a Canadian manufacturer (700+ hand guns). The govt knew this all along and was using fear as a means to take away more rights and freedoms.

If a news story induces fear it is more than likely propaganda drafted by our loving govt.

Really?

Got a link....I never heard about that one.

the only Canadian manufacturer of handguns I know of is Para Ordnance.....who make some of the best quality combat pistols in the world.

If this is so, the boys n the hood were packing some VERY fancy weaponry.