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petros

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Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Who built the line the Alberta company bought a couple years ago? You have to cross a creek? Can't the creek cross the pipeline? What are pipelines made of ? Paper mache?
 

mentalfloss

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Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

That's it!

We must tax Sydney and put a halt to any/all activities in that province until we can develop a sustainable plan.

People!.. Won't someone please think of the children!

If you think you can continue to set up these kinds of strawmen and that people believe you, you're sadly mistaken. And it just worsens your already battered credibility.

 

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Re: Thomas Mulcair disease: Canada’s would-be PM slips on the oilsands

This is kind of a good thing that he shows the white stripe down his back and yellow one next to it as he carries the Fleur de Lis. The dunce cap looks good also, give him a free ticket to Greece.
 

captain morgan

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Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

But isn't that what we do when there is any issue that relates to hydrocarbons Flossy?.. We shut it down in the name of the environment AND dutch disease?

BTW, those fish & chips look great. Thank God that Friday is F&C day at a lot of the pubs, I will definitely be heading out for that tomorrow.
 

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Re: Thomas Mulcair disease: Canada’s would-be PM slips on the oilsands

To start with who would suggest that any politician is perfect or right about everything?
Who would suggest that all of our leaders have to be right about all things 100% of the
time?
I do not expect to agree with every politicians personal views, or in fact the particular
parties views on all issues. I do expect the various politicians and parties to continue to
assess their positions over time and be prepared to admit when the may be wrong or in
fact misinformed about particular issues. Mulcair for example is going to go to Alberta
and once he sees the operation perhaps he will gain some different insight.
This might surprise some but I am a little impressed with the Alberta Premier she seems
to be reaching out actually speaking about some kind of energy policy, and this could lead
to a national energy policy which I think we need, we just need one with some balance.
At the present time I still like Mulcair, but I have some reservations as anyone would with a
new leader. The real proof of the pudding will be when the rhetoric ends and the substance
begins.
Canada is lucky in one sense of the word, agree with the various leaders or not, we now at
least appear to have some defined or formulating opinions from all three leaders and from
this we might even end up with some vision for leadership. Our neighbours to the south don't
appear to have any at all. To say Mulcair has slipped in the oil sand debate may or may not
be true. He is building a base to work from. he is not going to get conservatives to come on
board, and Harper is leading in a manner that tend to polarize people, so I believe Mulcair is
doing some polarizing of his own. That means going after environmental vote, youth, and a
number of others including those who don't vote. It is pretty clear most provinces have a
balance of views in their legislatures, Alberta does not, therefore go after the non conservative
vote in the other nine provinces seems to be the order of the day. Is it a slip or a calculated
move? There in lies the question.
 

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Thomas Mulcair supporter, SFU prof Doug McArthur, also linked tar sands to economic woes

More than a month before NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair sparked a national debate over the impact of the “Dutch disease” on the Canadian economy, one of his influential Vancouver supporters gave a public lecture on the same subject.

At a March 21 roundtable discussion on the economy, SFU public-policy professor Doug McArthur explained how tar-sands developments are driving up the value of the dollar and harming the manufacturing sector.

“This is distorting our economy,” he said at the time. “As long as this situation remains, we’ll face the Dutch-disease problem, which was that their manufacturing sector was essentially destroyed by high gas prices in the 1980s. By the time…the richness of these resources began to decline, they had no sector left to make the kind of investments that are needed. And they ended up being a deindustrialized economy.”

McArthur, a former deputy minister to B.C. NDP premiers, spoke at SFU Woodward’s in the Goldcorp Centre for the Arts. He publicly backed Mulcair's successful bid to win the NDP leadership race.

On May 7, Mulcair made similar comments on CBC Radio’s The House, telling host Evan Solomon that Dutch disease has caused widespread job losses in the Canadian manufacturing sector.

“The Canadian dollar is being held artificially high, which is fine if you’re going to Walt Disney World, not so good if you want to sell your manufactured product, because the American client, most of the time, can no longer afford to buy it,” Mulcair said. “We’ve hollowed out the manufacturing sector. In six years since the Conservatives have arrived, we’ve lost 500,000 good-paying manufacturing jobs.”

McArthur doesn't comment on private discussions he might have with people, so there's no way of confirming whether or not he influenced Mulcair to take a public position on this issue. In March, Mulcair wrote an article in Policy Options about the economic impact of tar-sands projects.

Mulcair’s recent remarks have since been condemned by Finance Minister Jim Flaherty and three western premiers, including Christy Clark.

And on May 16, three researchers affiliated with the Montreal-based Institute for Research on Public Policy released a study concluding that only 25 of 80 manufacturing industries experienced a “significantly negative relationship between the US-Canada exchange rate and output”. According to the paper, labour-intensive industries, such as textiles and apparel, suffered the greatest impact, whereas other groups—including food products, metals, and machinery—weren’t harmed nearly as much.

“On balance, the evidence indicates that Canada suffers from a mild case of the Dutch disease, which warrants a commensurate public policy response,” the researchers wrote.

McArthur, on the other hand, suggested in March that Canada should “slow down the pace of development in the tar sands”, calling it one of the “major large-scale challenges facing the Canadian economy”.

“The problem is none of our governments are responding in any active or even direct way to try to change this pattern,” he said.

A decade ago, the Canadian dollar was worth 64 cents in the United States. Now, the Canadian dollar trades around par with the U.S. greenback.

During his lecture, McArthur examined Canadian industrial-product and commodity prices over the past decade. He pointed out that lumber and wood products were down 11 percent, textiles were up by four percent, and machinery and equipment increased by five percent. Motor vehicles, transport equipment, and electrical and communications products were all down.

In contrast to an overall decline in prices of tradeable manufactured goods, McArthur noted, copper materials were up by 333 percent, metallic ores increased by 239 percent, and nonferrous metals rose by 251.6 percent.

Employment is up nearly 30 percent in the resource sectors, he stated, whereas it had fallen by 25 percent in manufacturing over the decade.

“The response of industries there is to reduce labour costs, reduce profit margins, or increase productivity,” McArthur explained. “That’s the only way they can continue to function and stay viable in the face of this.”

The public-policy professor pointed out that downward pressure on wages in manufacturing counters the goal of creating a high-skilled, high-wage economy.

In addition, he stated that the higher dollar is widening the productivity gap between Canada and the U.S.—meaning that there is less production per unit of labour employed in this country. McArthur noted that manufacturers cannot easily address this by increasing investment when they’re less competitive internationally.

“We need to take steps to manage the exchange rate to see that it doesn’t keep going up and up, which it will if we keep pushing the tar sands as fast as we are,” he said.

Thomas Mulcair supporter, SFU prof Doug McArthur, also linked tar sands to economic woes | Vancouver, Canada | Straight.com
 

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Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy




Thomas Mulcair supporter, SFU prof Doug McArthur, also linked tar sands to economic woes

More than a month before NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair sparked a national debate over the impact of the “Dutch disease” on the Canadian economy, one of his influential Vancouver supporters gave a public lecture on the same subject.

At a March 21 roundtable discussion on the economy, SFU public-policy professor Doug McArthur explained how tar-sands developments are driving up the value of the dollar and harming the manufacturing sector.

“This is distorting our economy,” he said at the time. “As long as this situation remains, we’ll face the Dutch-disease problem, which was that their manufacturing sector was essentially destroyed by high gas prices in the 1980s. By the time…the richness of these resources began to decline, they had no sector left to make the kind of investments that are needed. And they ended up being a deindustrialized economy.”

McArthur, a former deputy minister to B.C. NDP premiers, spoke at SFU Woodward’s in the Goldcorp Centre for the Arts. He publicly backed Mulcair's successful bid to win the NDP leadership race.

On May 7, Mulcair made similar comments on CBC Radio’s The House, telling host Evan Solomon that Dutch disease has caused widespread job losses in the Canadian manufacturing sector.

“The Canadian dollar is being held artificially high, which is fine if you’re going to Walt Disney World, not so good if you want to sell your manufactured product, because the American client, most of the time, can no longer afford to buy it,” Mulcair said. “We’ve hollowed out the manufacturing sector. In six years since the Conservatives have arrived, we’ve lost 500,000 good-paying manufacturing jobs.”

McArthur doesn't comment on private discussions he might have with people, so there's no way of confirming whether or not he influenced Mulcair to take a public position on this issue. In March, Mulcair wrote an article in Policy Options about the economic impact of tar-sands projects.

Mulcair’s recent remarks have since been condemned by Finance Minister Jim Flaherty and three western premiers, including Christy Clark.

And on May 16, three researchers affiliated with the Montreal-based Institute for Research on Public Policy released a study concluding that only 25 of 80 manufacturing industries experienced a “significantly negative relationship between the US-Canada exchange rate and output”. According to the paper, labour-intensive industries, such as textiles and apparel, suffered the greatest impact, whereas other groups—including food products, metals, and machinery—weren’t harmed nearly as much.

“On balance, the evidence indicates that Canada suffers from a mild case of the Dutch disease, which warrants a commensurate public policy response,” the researchers wrote.

McArthur, on the other hand, suggested in March that Canada should “slow down the pace of development in the tar sands”, calling it one of the “major large-scale challenges facing the Canadian economy”.

“The problem is none of our governments are responding in any active or even direct way to try to change this pattern,” he said.

A decade ago, the Canadian dollar was worth 64 cents in the United States. Now, the Canadian dollar trades around par with the U.S. greenback.

During his lecture, McArthur examined Canadian industrial-product and commodity prices over the past decade. He pointed out that lumber and wood products were down 11 percent, textiles were up by four percent, and machinery and equipment increased by five percent. Motor vehicles, transport equipment, and electrical and communications products were all down.

In contrast to an overall decline in prices of tradeable manufactured goods, McArthur noted, copper materials were up by 333 percent, metallic ores increased by 239 percent, and nonferrous metals rose by 251.6 percent.

Employment is up nearly 30 percent in the resource sectors, he stated, whereas it had fallen by 25 percent in manufacturing over the decade.

“The response of industries there is to reduce labour costs, reduce profit margins, or increase productivity,” McArthur explained. “That’s the only way they can continue to function and stay viable in the face of this.”

The public-policy professor pointed out that downward pressure on wages in manufacturing counters the goal of creating a high-skilled, high-wage economy.

In addition, he stated that the higher dollar is widening the productivity gap between Canada and the U.S.—meaning that there is less production per unit of labour employed in this country. McArthur noted that manufacturers cannot easily address this by increasing investment when they’re less competitive internationally.

“We need to take steps to manage the exchange rate to see that it doesn’t keep going up and up, which it will if we keep pushing the tar sands as fast as we are,” he said.

Thomas Mulcair supporter, SFU prof Doug McArthur, also linked tar sands to economic woes | Vancouver, Canada | Straight.com

1 question - the pipeline that is already shipping oil east to west - Mulcair wants another environmental review- As it is already shipping oil why would another review be required. Does direction affect the environment?
 

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1 question - the pipeline that is already shipping oil east to west - Mulcair wants another environmental review- As it is already shipping oil why would another review be required. Does direction affect the environment?

No idea.
 

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Re: Thomas Mulcair disease: Canada’s would-be PM slips on the oilsands

It's a no-brainer that if your currency is trading at or above that of your largest trading partener then export is going to suffer, the only question is by how much.

When the Canadian dollar was at 80 cents or lower US then a lot of stuff that wouldn't have been competitive with US produced ggods suddenly had an advantage. When the Canadian dollar goes to par or above that disappears. And sure Canadian manufacturers can compensate, that doesn't mean they can regain the trade advantage that a weaker loonie gives.

As for appreciating the importance of the oil sands to the Canadian economy as our Premier says, we also need to appreciate the significant downsides to oil sands development, something that Conservatives both federal and Alberta provincial refuse to do in any meaningful way. I'd rather have Mulcair be honest now and all Canadians take the short term hit for facing reality than to see a potential ecological disaster in one of the most beautiful places on the planet.

In the long term Mulcair could be speaking for Alberta far better than the current Conservative governments federally and provincially. Alberta is about a hell of a lot more than just oil.
 

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Re: Thomas Mulcair disease: Canada’s would-be PM slips on the oilsands

I have personally had a problem with a low dollar for years. When that happens you have a short lived boom where businesses and manufacturers do well. Then the wage demands begin. When the dollar comes back where it should be given that we have far more resources than most countries, suddenly the fat cats (overpaid sectors) have to hunt again and the yowling starts.

The only protection we have from globalization, cheap labor in emerging markets and cheap offshore goods harming us is our resources so a balance needs to be achieved. I am not seeing that balance from any of the political parties, just an ideological fight with Canadians as cannon fodder.
 

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Re: Thomas Mulcair disease: Canada’s would-be PM slips on the oilsands

To start with who would suggest that any politician is perfect or right about everything?
Who would suggest that all of our leaders have to be right about all things 100% of the
time?
Why do these questions get asked, when the politician in question isn't Harper? LOL.
 

BruSan

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Re: Thomas Mulcair disease: Canada’s would-be PM slips on the oilsands

I love this chit! One segment of the Canadian economy does well and the resultant effects on the strength of the dollar is seen as a negative effect on another segment. Which province shall we blame next? How about NL/Labrador when they start selling hydro to the U.S. What about Sask and it's potash to China?

Why would this dunce Muck-a-hair even bring this up? Would there be a solution to his strawman problem? Shut down the Oil-Sands?

Virtually tell the western provinces to sacrifice their day in the sun 'cause there's a lathe and milling machine idle in Ontario? Where do these idiots come from.

A resource rich country like Canada is going to experience booms across it's breadth from time to time. Are we to trot out the stupid blame game every time an individual province surges?

NDP just shot itself in the hiney on this one. Even Ontarians aren't gonna buy into the "it's all their fault over there" game when they know it's McSquinty and his failure to launch on manufacturing inducements like apprenticeship support and corporate tax rates. These idiots will resort to anything to court votes from the denser populated areas.
 

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Re: Thomas Mulcair disease: Canada’s would-be PM slips on the oilsands

NDP just shot itself in the hiney on this one. Even Ontarians aren't gonna buy into the "it's all their fault over there" game when they know it's McSquinty and his failure to launch on manufacturing inducements like apprenticeship support and corporate tax rates. These idiots will resort to anything to court votes from the denser populated areas.

The only folks buying into this nonsense are the usual suspects... They have their anti-energy, ant-progress and anti-Harper agenda and anything that happens to fit into that mold becomes the new cause du jour.

If it weren't so pathetic, it would actually be pretty funny
 

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Could it be purely politics- slow growth in the oil sands. I cannot think of a valid reason to perform a full environmental review as Mulcair stated on an existing and operational pipeline.
 

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Please spare us from the multitude of mulcair threads

Can these be rolled into one big ball on Mulcair please-
 

captain morgan

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Re: Please spare us from the multitude of mulcair threads

Hey Goobs, I don't mind telling you that I'm more than just a little disappointed that there isn't a poll option that is more forceful in my agreement.

... But kudos all the same.

Maybe we can also get some kind of restriction in place on OPs that rely on the word 'Study' and/or 'Report' as if it were a compelling addition.