Thomas Mulcair, being "Thomas Mulcair"....

[captain morgan]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Wrong again.

I've stated time and time again, that the oilsands can be developed in a manner that maintains prosperity in that sector without hampering the manufacturing sector. The reason why this external force isn't as pervasive right now is because we've just begun.

Too bad that you can't articulate this manner of development - I believe the generalized term you use is 'sustainable'.

Get back to me when you can point to something concrete as opposed to these watery, feel-good cliches that are entirely devoid of substance.

 

[Goober]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Wrong again.

I've stated time and time again, that the oilsands can be developed in a manner that maintains prosperity in that sector without hampering the manufacturing sector. The reason why this external force isn't as pervasive right now is because we've just begun.

Now what is Mulcairs plan for this? If he has time to recommend a candidate in NFLD for mayor perhaps he should be spending time on a plan for implementing this.

Of course if it is of value the ruling party always steals the best parts. But all I have seen is rhetoric. No Bun, No Beef, No Plan.

 

[mentalfloss]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Get back to me when you can point to something concrete as opposed to these watery, feel-good cliches that are entirely devoid of substance.

You mean, like not paying billions in waste cleanup which is artificially raising oil profit and affecting the dollar?

 

[petros]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Where is this waste not being cleaned up?

 

[Goober]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

You mean, like not paying billions in waste cleanup which is artificially raising oil profit and affecting the dollar?

That is a good point. But they have just started to implement faster clean up of the tailings ponds from what i recall.

 

[mentalfloss]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Where is this waste not being cleaned up?

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/106161-contaminated-sites-cost-us-7-a.html

 

[petros]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Where are the sites? What types of contamination? How old are they?

 

[Goober]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/106161-contaminated-sites-cost-us-7-a.html

And how many are from oil sands?

 

[captain morgan]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

You mean, like not paying billions in waste cleanup which is artificially raising oil profit and affecting the dollar?

What do you care how much is being spent on it, it doesn't come out of the taxpayer pocket and employs thousands in those efforts.

You're really stretching on this to the point of me feeling sympathy for you

 

[petros]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

And how many are from oil sands?

He has no idea.

 

[captain morgan]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/106161-contaminated-sites-cost-us-7-a.html

The federal government is facing $7.7 billion in environmental liabilities for approximately 22,000 federal contaminated sites across the country

Fail again

 

[petros]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Wrong again.

I've stated time and time again, that the oilsands can be developed in a manner that maintains prosperity in that sector without hampering the manufacturing sector. The reason why this external force isn't as pervasive right now is because we've just begun.

How many jobless would that make for? Who is going to set up these manufacturing companies? Where will they be set up? What are they supposed to produce?

 

[B00Mer]

Re: Thomas Mulcair disease: Canada’s would-be PM slips on the oilsands

T Boone Pickens

 

[mentalfloss]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Guys, don't get a hernia while you raise the pitchforks for this witch hunt.

A good example is the Sydney Tar Ponds.

 

[Locutus]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Mulcair’s oil-sands musing risks halting NDP momentum

BRUCE ANDERSON

Globe and Mail Update

Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:00AM EDT






NDP Leader Tom Mulcair’s thoughts about whether Alberta’s oil sands are causing a “Dutch disease” for the Canadian economy have touched off a lively debate about his political strategy.
Some sense his approach is clever, if diabolical: that he wants to deliberately split the country, rallying Ontarians and Quebeckers to put the NDP over the top by blaming the West’s success for Central Canada’s misfortunes.


I very much doubt this is Mr. Mulcair’s strategy. But if it were his strategy, it would fail badly.
The idea that most Ontarians would rather reverse the economic growth that is happening in the West is ludicrous. True, they might love to return to a day when their province was the most powerful economic engine in the country – but by winning a race to the top, not by failing less badly than others.


more


Mulcair’s oil-sands musing risks halting NDP momentum - The Globe and Mail

 

[Goober]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/106161-contaminated-sites-cost-us-7-a.html

They are getting the mesaage - clean up - bad press is a motivator is it not.

A tale of cleaner tailings | Energy | News | Financial Post

http://www.rce2010.ca/post/story/innovation-and-technology-the-oil-sands-tailings-consortium/

 

[mentalfloss]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

And good on them for that.

But I was just responding to captain morgan's claim that there is no way to quantify the dutch disease.

Even though we have a study confirming 25 out of 80 manufacturing sites are affected and that profit and the dollar becomes inflated when we don't pay for our messes.

And by the way, Loc, there's no actual empirical data in that article - it's just an opinion.

 

[petros]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Guys, don't get a hernia while you raise the pitchforks for this witch hunt.

A good example is the Sydney Tar Ponds.

How does a 19th century coker compare to todays projects and tight regulations?

 

[mentalfloss]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

How does a 19th century coker compare to todays projects and tight regulations?

The Alberta-based company is spending $700 million to clean up an oil spill from its pipeline on the Kalamazoo River in Michigan in July 2010. An estimated 3.5 million litres of 3.8 million spilled have been recovered to date.

“The last thing you want is to address a major incident,” said Ray Doering, Enbridge’s manager of engineering for Northern Gateway.

“That’s in nobody’s best interests. You want to get it right.”

The Kalamazoo is one river.

However, Enbridge has identified 773 streams — 669 of them bearing fish — that must be crossed if its 1,172-kilometre dual-pipeline project gets the go-ahead between Alberta and Kitimat on B.C.’s north coast.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Pa...e+technology/5952685/story.html#ixzz1v8uk5kAG

Scroll down.

It gets better.
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[captain morgan]

Re: Stéphane Dion criticizes Thomas Mulcair for East-West strategy

Guys, don't get a hernia while you raise the pitchforks for this witch hunt.

A good example is the Sydney Tar Ponds.

That's it!

We must tax Sydney and put a halt to any/all activities in that province until we can develop a sustainable plan.

People!.. Won't someone please think of the children!