"The Western BlocK Party!!!"

[Ron in Regina]

I have no problem with that. Just remember that its much easier for the Bloc to operate in ONE province then it was for the Reform to make FOUR provinces happy.. The constant push and pull between BC,AB,SK and MB can be testing at most provincial premier conference.

Also if we had learned from our mistakes we would not be doing this all again..

Just a thought..

Nobody said anything about this being easy, or a quick fix. I'm just chuck'n out ideas. That's
why I'm looking for some bright Guy (or Gal!) to step forward and run with this thing. I'm
just happy walk'n my dogs. I'm a little to simple for this endeavor. Any volunteers??? 8O

 

[In Between Man]

I love your idea Ron. And BTW, adding the "K" on the end of "Bloc"...pure genius, my friend!

So....which one of you smart folks (in BC,AB,SK,MB) would like to Lead this BlocK?

I would. In the hopes it would eventually unify our nation forever. How?
I think it can work with a sworn mandate of non-separation, just like you said, Ron. The Bloc would obviously have to get on board in hopes that true representation of its territory is achieved, as it is for all regions.

From there, long story short, the provinces debate, make concessions, everyone gets a piece of the pie, or what they really, really wanted for christmas, more citizens happy, -- country unified once and for all. Easy peasy. ;-)

Yet, all this makes me ask one question:

Why doesn't current representation province by province to the federal government appease our wants and needs from Ottawa? We all have Premiers', and evidently Ottawa neither listens to them, or our Premiers' fail us, or as pathetic as it sounds, perhaps the avenue for discussions doesn't work.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Ron, your suggestion for a Western Block Party smacks of treason. You might want to paint it as a unity platform but any fool can see the underlying intent of such a party, and that is separation. Such formations only serve to undermine the country, not build it up as you should be doing. The west is always griping about eastern Canada wanting to 'steal' their wealth away from them. For the longest time central Canada carried the weight of the country on it's shoulders. And they didn't complain. At least not too loudly. Now it's your turn. Do the right thing and stand up for your country. Western greed will eventually come back to haunt you. Just like Harper's greed for power is now biting him in the rear. Must be something in the water out here...

 

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Has anybody here even read the BNA act? The powers granted to each political power cannot be changed or given away. All that has to be done is to enforce existing powers.
Ever hear of Elmer Knutson?
Here is a 'primer' on how things stand even today.
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[SIZE=+2]A Factual Examination Of
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Walter F. Kuhl
Member Of Parliament
Jasper-Edson 1935-1949 [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+2]"It is therefore easy to see why Canada is
not a confederation............."
[Dr. Maurice Ollivier, K.C., Joint Law Clerk,
House of Commons, before the Special Committee
on the British North America Act, 1935 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]"I have always contended, for reasons too long to enumerate here,
that it [Canada] has not become either a confederation
or a federal union."
[Dr. Ollivier, in a personal letter to Mr. Kuhl, May 30th, 1936][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]There is probably no political issue in Canada on which there is more lack of information and more misinformation than on the constitutional question. The stalemate and the impasse which the governing authorities in Canada have reached on this question seem to indicate that there is and has been something very fundamentally awry in Canada's constitutional history. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]For almost half a century this controversy has been raging without a satisfactory solution having been arrived at. Many Canadians, myself included, have had enough of this bickering between politicians and are determined to do something to bring this internecine strife to an end. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The purpose of this booklet is to indicate in some measure what I as a member of the House of Commons and as a private citizen have attempted to do to bring order out of the constitutional chaos in which Canada finds herself. Democracy is successful only in proportion to the knowledge which people have with respect to their rights and privileges. It is my hope that the information contained in this brochure will assist Canadians to that end. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Immediately following the recent Quebec election, I sent to Mr. Rene levesque a personal letter in which I indicated my conception of the constitutional rights which the provinces of Canada enjoy at the moment. At the conclusion of this booklet will he found a reproduction of this letter. Included with this letter was the additional material found in this booklet. A copy of my letter to Mr. Levesque, along with copies of the additional material, was subsequently mailed to each of the premiers of the provinces of Canada. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]I desire to express my gratitude to Mr. R. Rogers Smith, who as my private tutor for almost the entire fourteen years during which I served as a member of the house of Commons, brought to my attention facts from the statutes at large, from the Archives and from original historical sources, the material upon which this brochure is based. [/SIZE]
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that private members bill that was passed by the British Parliament

On the left is the preliminary draft by the Colonial Office. This means the Domination of the Colony, or the uniting of the Colonies into one Dominion. This is the basis of the British North American Act. Notice how they stroked out "for the purposes of Government and Legislation", and left the emphasis on "colonies"
On the right is the desire of the Provinces to unite into a Federal Union; which means freedom. Drafted by John A. MacDonald before he received his title. One draft is diametrically opposed to the other. The hand written text:
"Whereas the Provinces of Canada (Upper and Lower - Ontario and Quebec), Nova Scotia amd New Brunswick have expressed their desire to form a Federal Union for the purposes of government and legislation based on the principles of the British Constitution, and..."
This is a copy of a page from "Inside Canada", a publication by R. Roger Smith.
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Text: "Dear Mr. Kuhl, I see you are still forming a good policy. The idea is progressing. The only thing wrong with it is that it has not been proposed by a Cabinet minister." Dr. A. Beauchesne Dated: June 28, 1940. and sent in response to a speech made by Mr. Kuhl on Canadian constitutional problems on June 25th, 1940.​

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Author of: Confederation or Western Independemce

In my search for truth, I found several handwritten articles, written in very large script by Lord Monck on sheets of paper 11 x 14. As that is much larger than the pages of this book I have reduced them in size, which makes them unreadable without a magnifying glass. So I have typed the contents of each page for your convenience. Lord Monck was the Governor of Quebec, and he also became the first Governor General of Canada. He sat in on all the discussions during the Quebec Conference of 1 864, he knew what the drafters of the Quebec resolutions intended and wanted, and as such was intimately acquainted with the thoughts and wishes of the delegation which went to London in December 1 866. He reported in the first six pages of his dispatch his personal observations of the "scheme" to his superior the Right Honorable Edward Cardwell M.P. in charge of the Colonial department, the eventual author of the B.N.A. Act.
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Confidential
25NOV64 Government House
Quebec
Nov. 7,1864
The Right Honourable Edward Cardwell M.P.
Sir,
In another dispatch of this date I have had the honour of transmitting to you the resolutions adopted by the representatives of the different colonies of British North America at their late meeting at Quebec in reference to the proposed Union of the Provinces.
I propose in this dispatch to lay before you some observations of my own on the proposed scheme which I think it would be judicious for the present at least, to treat as confidential.
I must in the first place express my regret that the term "Confederation" was ever used in connection with the proposed Union of the British North American Provinces both because I think it an entire misapplication of the term and still more because I think the word is calculated to give a false notion of the sort of union which is desired. I might almost say which is possible, between the provinces.
A Confederation or Federal Union as I understand it, means a union of Independent Communities bound together for certain defined purposes by a treaty or agreement entered into in their quality of sovereign states, by which they give up to the central or federal authority for those purposes a certain portion of their sovereign rights retaining all other powers not expressly delegated in as ample a manner as if the Federation had never been formed.
If this be a fair definition of the term Federation and I think it is applicable to all those Federal Unions of which history gives us examples, it is plain that a Union of this sort could not take place between the provinces of British North America, because they do not possess the qualities which are essential to the basis of such a union.
They are in no sense sovereign or independent communities.
They possess no constitutional rights except those which are expressly conferred upon them by an Imperial Act of Parliament and the power of making treaties of any sort between themselves is not one of those rights.
The only manner in which a Union between them could be effected would be by means of an act of the Imperial Parliament which would accurately define the nature of the connection, and the extent of the respective powers of the central and local authorities, should any sort of union short of an absolute Legislative Consolidation be decided on. (Elmer's note: the BNA Act was just that)
The Sovereignty would still reside in the British Crown and Imperial Legislature, and in the event of any collision of authority between central and local bodies there would be the power of appeal to the supreme tribunal from which all the colonial franchises were originally derived and which would possess the right to receive the appeal, the authority to decide, and the power to enforce the decision. (End of Lord Monck's letter)
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Delivered in the House of Commons
on Thursday, November 8, 1945
A Distinctive National Flag
And
Constitutional Problems In Canada
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Mr. W. F. KUHL (Jasper-Edson): This resolution urges the expediency of Canada's possessing a distinctive national flag. I agree that an anomaly exists with respect to the matter of a Canadian flag, and I, and my associates in parliament are in favour of removing this condition. But personally I consider that under the constitutional conditions prevailing in this country at the moment such action is premature. There are other and more important actions to be taken before it is appropriate to adopt a new flag. The flag question is just one of the many anomalies which exist in Canada's constitutional position. Some of these have' been referred to this afternoon. One of them, the matter of Canadian citizenship, is intended to be dealt with at this session. There are others, such as amendments to the constitution, appeals to the privy council, the power of disallowance, the matter of a federal district proper - and doubtless there are others. All these anomalies ought to be dealt with, and I am personally in favour of dealing with them at the earliest possible opportunity. But I consider that the present piecemeal method is improper as well as undemocratic. I contend that the people of Canada are not being consulted in the manner in which I believe they ought to be concerning their rights in these questions.
To Account For Anomalies
I wish to indicate, Mr. Speaker, my reasons for contending that the method that is proposed to attempt to remove these anomalies is improper and undemocratic. Then I wish to indicate what I consider to be the proper method to use. To do this I first wish to endeavour to, account for the constitutional circumstances in which we find ourselves at the moment.
The question which must occur to every hon. member of this house and to every other citizen in this country is, why do such anomalies exist in our constitutional position? How did they come about? There must be something in Canada's constitutional history that accounts for the circumstances in which we find ourselves. No other part of the British Empire finds itself in the same circumstances. Why are these conditions peculiar to the people of Canada? In endeavouring to answer these questions, and in suggesting what I consider to be the proper remedy for them, I am not posing as a constitutional expert, although I may say it is now ten years since I began my studies on this subject, and I trust, I shall not be considered presumptuous in claiming to have added a little to my knowledge in that time.
The matters which I wish to discuss are those with which every public school child in the seventh and eighth grades, every high school student, and certainly every voter, should be thoroughly familiar. Every citizen in the land should know by what authority we do things in this country. On several occasions during the past two parliaments I have argued the case I am about to introduce, but very little attention was paid to my statements either in the house or out of it. On this occasion I intend to be heard, and if not, I demand to know the reason why. I consider that the situation which I shall discuss is of such importance that a reply or a comment should certainly be forthcoming from the Acting Prime Minister (Mr. Ilsley) the Minister of Justice (Mr. St. Lauremt), and for that matter, from all hon. members of the house. I and the people who have sent me here have a right to know whether there is, or is not, a basis in fact for my contentions, and if there is, they have the right to know what is going to be done about it.
Submit Reasoned Argument
I propose to make a reasoned argument supported by the best evidence I have been able to secure. If my argument is to be controverted, I demand that it be met with a reasoned argument and not with personal abuse and statements which are wholly irrelevant. I expect a more intelligent criticism of my argument than was exhibited by a certain hon. member when I discussed this subject in a previous parliament. In Hansard of April 8, 1938, at page 2183, this little exchange took place between myself and the hon. member for Selkirk, Mr. Thorson:
Mr. Thorson: Would the hon member indicate where he gets these queer idleas?
Mr. MacNicol: He has queer ideas of his own.
Mr. Kuhl: I continue:
Mr. Kuhl: I placed on Hansard on February 10 a clear outline of the reasons for my statement. If the hon. member wishes to refute any of the facts or arguments which I placed before the house, I shall be pleased to hear the refutation.
Mr. Thorson: Why battle against windmills".
I submit that the subject matter and the arguments which I presented on that occasion were worthy of more intelligent criticism than was exhibited by that hon. gentleman. I have long ago learned that when an individual has a weak argument, or no argument at a1l, he usually resorts to personal abuse of his opponent. If hon. members have not a better argument to make than Mr. Thorson made on that occasion, I suggest that they hold their peace.
In submitting my argument, Mr. Speaker, I wish to assure you that I am actuated by the highest possible motives. We proudly proclaim our faith in democracy; we proclaim it from the housetops. I wish to urge that we practice what we preach. Let us demonstrate democracy instead of merely paying lip service to it.
It is my desire to see the people of Canada consulted where their fundamental rights are concerned. I wish to see government of the people by the people. These are the motives which actuate me in what I have to say on this resolution.
In presenting the special case I am about to discuss I am not necessarily speaking as a member of the Social Credit group; I am speaking as a native of Canada. The matters on which I am to speak are of fundamental concern to every citizen of Canada regardless of his or her political persuasion. They are among the most serious matters upon which a citizen can be called to think; they are the bed-rock considerations of human government.
Basic Premises
In order to endeavour to account for the contradictions in Canada's constitutional position and to suggest a remedy therefor, I wish to lay down some fundamental premises on which I shall base my entire argument. Locke is credited with saying:
“Men being by nature all free, equal, and independent, no one can be put out of this estate and subjected to the power of another without his consent. The only way whereby anyone divests himself of his natural liberty and puts on the bonds of civil society is by agreeing with other men to join and unite into a community.”
Jefferson, in the declaration of independence states:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men arc created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights: that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
Federal Union Defined
In addition to that promise, I wish to indicate the definition of a federal union. What is a federal union? Bouvier in his law dictionary defines "federal government" as:
“a union or confederation of sovereign states, created either by treaty, or by the mutual adoption of a federal constitution.”
Doctor Ollivier, joint law clerk of the House of Commons, on page 85 of the report of the special committee on the British North America Act, said:
“A confederation is a union of independent and sovereign states bound together by a pact or a treaty for the observance of certain conditions dependent upon the unanimous consent of the contracting parties, who are free to withdraw from the union."
A. P. Newton, in his book entitled "Federal and Unified Constitutions," at page 5 says:
“A federal state is a perpetual union of several sovereign states based first upon a treaty between those states or upon some historical status common to them all, and secondly upon a federal constitution accepted by their citizens.”
Two points stand out prominently in these definitions. The first is that the states which form the union must be sovereign, free and independent before they federate; the second, that the federal constitution which forms the basis of the union must be accepted by the citizens of the federating states. I think it worth while in this connection to point out that when the states of Australia federated, the people of Australia were provided with two opportunities of voting on their constitution. I should like to quote a paragraph from a history of the Australian constitution by Quick and Garran. This paragraph is on the meaning of the words "have agreed" in the constitution, and it states:
“These words make distinct and emphatic reference to the consensus of the people arrived at through the procedure, in its various successive stages, prescribed by the substantially similar enabling acts adopted by the legislatures of the concurring colonies. In four of the colonies acts were passed enabling the people to take part in the framing and the acceptance or rejection of a federal constitution for Australia. Through those acts the people agreed, first. to send representatives to a federal convention charged with duty of framing for Australia a federal constitution under the Crown in the form of a bill for enactment by the Imperial Parliament, and, secondly, they agreed to pronounce their judgment upon the constitution at a referendum, which in each colony was arranged to follow the convention. In all the colonies, the constitution was eventually referred to the people. At this referendum, each voter was eligible to vote by ballot "yes" or "no" on the question asked on the ballot paper, "Are you in favour of the proposed federal constitution?"
In this manner, there was, in four colonies, a popular initiative and finally in all the colonies a popular ratification of the constitution, which is thus legally the work, as it will be for all time, the heritage of the Australian people. This democratic method of establishing a new form of government may be contrasted with the circumstances and conditions under which other federal constitutions became law.
Federal Union Desired In 1867
Now I should like to ask a few questions concerning our position in Canada. Did the provinces of Canada desire federal union? The Quebec resolutions, the London resolutions, and the draft of the bill by the London delegates all indicate that the provinces of Canada desired federal union. The preamble to the Quebec resolutions reads:
“The best interests and present and future prosperity of British North America will be promoted by a federal union under the Crown.”
Clause 70 of the Quebec resolutions indicates that whatever agreement was arrived at by the delegates would be submitted to the provinces for their approval. It reads:
“The sanction of the imperial and local parliaments shall be sought for the union of the provinces, on the principles adopted by the conference.”
Furthermore, a bill drafted in London by the Canadian delegates contains the same preamble that appears in the Quebec resolutions, and this draft bill also contains a repealing clause which hon. members can find on page 179 of Pope's "Confederation Documents". It reads:
"From and after the union, all acts and parts of acts passed by the Parliament of Great Britain, the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, the Legislature of Upper Canada, the Legislature of Lower Canada, the Legislature of Canada, the Legislature of Nova Scotia, or the Legislature of New Brunswick, which are repugnant to or inconsistent with the provisions of this act shall be and the same are hereby repealed."
Canada Not Federated Under B.N.A. Act
The next question is: Did Canada become a federal union under the British North America Act. I submit that the manner in which the bill was drafted and the manner in which it was enacted throw much light on the answer to this question. The act was drafted by the law officers of the Crown attached to the colonial office. Lord Carnarvon, Secretary of State for the colonies, was the chairman of the conference. Sir Frederick Rogers, Under-secretary for the colonies, in Lord Blachford's Letters, is quoted as saying at page 301:
“They held many meetings at which I was always present. Lord Carnarvon was in the chair, and I was rather disappointed in his power of presidency.”
In reading accounts of the times, it is quite obvious that the bill which was drafted by the colonial office seems to have prevailed over that which was drafted by the delegate from Canada. The title and preamble of the bill drafted by the Colonial Office read:
“The union of the British North American colonies, and for the government of the united colony. Whereas the union of the British North American colonies for the purposes of government and legislation would he attended with great benefits to the colonies and be conducive to the interests of the United Kingdom;-“
That is the preamble of the draft bill submitted by the colonial office, whereas the preamble of the bill drafted by the Canadian delegates read:
“Whereas the provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick have expressed their desire to form a federal union under the British Crown for the purpose of government and legislation, based upon the principles of the British constitution;”
I submit, Mr. Speaker, no evidence is to be found to show that the preamble which we find in the printed copies of the British North America Act in Canada was either discussed or proven in the British Parliament. This preamble reads:
“Whereas the provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick have expressed their desire to be federally united into one dominion-“
Lord Carnarvon, who introduced the bill on February 19, 1867, used these words as reported at page 559 of the British Hansard:
“The bill opens by reciting the desire of the several provinces to be federally united.”
Furthermore Lord Campbell, speaking to the bill on February 26 of the same year, is reported at page 1012 of the British Hansard as having said:
"The bill is founded, I believe, on what is termed the Quebec scheme of 1864. When the resolution, which alone engages the Nova Scotian Parliament, was in debate, its whole tenor, as our papers show, were against that project. The leader of the government was understood distinctly to renounce it. Our lights. indeed. may be imperfect upon this part of the subject, and I will not dwell upon it. But one thing is clear, the preamble of the resolution comes before us in full and perfect authenticity. The preamble lays down the expediency of confederating British North America."
I submit it should be evident from these quotations that the preamble which was discussed was that to be found in the Quebec resolutions, not the one we find in the printed copies of the British North America Act in Canada.
A pertinent question to ask at this point would be: When was the present preamble placed in the British North America Act? Why was it not discussed in the British Parliament, and, furthermore, what is the significance of an act bearing a preamble which was not even discussed, let alone proven? Another point of significance in connection with this, I believe, is the undue haste with which the bill was passed through the Imperial Parliament. When second reading was called for, the bill was not even printed. At page 1090 of British Hansard for February 27, 1867, we find these words:
Mr. Hatfield said he rose to ask tbe government why it was the second reading of this bill had been fixed for to-morrow. It was one which affected 4,000,000 of people, and upon which great doubts and differences of opinion were entertained. It was not yet printed and was of so important a character that he thought some little time ought to elapse after it was in the hands of the members before it was introduced in order that some little consultation should take place upon it. He was not at all sure that he should be opposed to it, but he certainly required more time to consider it.
Later, on page 1195, on February 28, we find this:
He (Mr. Hatfield) thought that a bill of such great importance ought not to be passed through parliament with such haste. It was read a third time in the House of Lords only on Tuesday night and two days after they were called to give it a second reading in that house (Commons) that was a bad precedent to establish and might produce ill effect at another time. If the bill had been delayed only for a few weeks, the people of Nova Scotia would have been able to express an opinion upon it. He had not had time to consider either the bill itself or the papers on the subject which had been put into his hands.
Another significant statement is that by John Bright, which we find at page 1181 of British Hansard for February 28, 1867, as follows:
"I have heard there is, at present in London, a petition complaining of the hasty proceedings of Parliament and asking for delay signed by 31,000 adult male, of the province of Nova Scotia; and, that petition is, in reality, signed by at least half of all the male inhabitants of that province. So far as I know, the petition does not protest absolutely against union but against the manner in which it is being carried out by this scheme and bill, and by the hasty measures of the colonial office.
Nobody pretends that the people of Canada prefer a nominated council to an elective council. I regret very much that they have not adopted another system with regard to their council or senate, because I am satisfied - I have not a particle of doubt with regard to it - that we run a great danger of making this act work ill almost from the beginning - - -
For my share, I want the population of these provinces to do that which they believe to be the best for their own interests - remain with this country if they like, or become independent states if they like."
Conclusions
From the evidence which I have thus far submitted, I draw the following conclusions:

• 1. The provinces of Canada desired a federal union.
  2. The Quebec resolutions provided for a federal union.
  3. The bill drafted by the Canadian delegates at the London conference, also provided for a federal union,
  4. The colonial office was not disposed to grant the provinces of Canada their request for a federal union.
  5. The British North America Act, enacted by the Imperial Parliament, carried out neither the spirit nor the terms of the Quebec resolutions.
  6. Canada did not become a federal union under the British North America Act, but rather a united colony. The privilege of federating, therefore, was still a future privilege.
  7. The Parliament of Canada did not become the government of Canada, much less a federal government. It became merely the central legislature of a united colony, a legislative body whose only power was that of aiding and advising the Governor General as agent of the Imperial Parliament.
  8. The British North America Act, as enacted by the Imperial Parliament, was not a constitution, but merely an Act of the Imperial Parliament which united four colonies in Canada into one colony with the supreme authority still remaining in the hands of the British government.

 

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Further Evidence
As further evidence that the British North America Act was not a constitution, and that Canada did not become a federal union, I refer to the definition of the term "dominion" which is to be found in section 18, paragraph 3 of the Interpretation Act of 1889. It reads as follows:
"The expression ‘colony’ shall mean any of Her Majesty’s dominions, exclusive of the British islands and of British India; and where parts of such dominions are under both a central legislature and local legislatures, all parts under the central legislature shall, for the purpose of this definition be deemed to be one colony."
Excepting Canada, no country in the empire had a central legislature and local legislatures. Therefore, according to this definition made twenty-two years after the enactment of the British North America Act, Canada is deemed to be one colony.
To show that I am not alone in my conclusions I quote some of the statements of recognized Canadian constitutional authorities before the special committee on the British North America Act in 1935.
Doctor W. P. M. Kennedy, Professor of Law in the University of Toronto, at page 69 of the report~states:
"I think we have got to get a'a'ay from the idea that the British North Amenea Act is a contract "or treaty". I do not want to go into that, but it is true neither in history nor in law. The British North America Act is a statute, and has always been interpreted as a statute."
Professor N. McL. Rogers, of Queen's University, at page 115 of the report states in reply to a question by Mr. Cowan:
Mr. Cowan: You do not subscribe to the belief that this was a pact or contract?
Mr. Rogers: I am thoroughly convinced it is not, either in the historical or the legal sense.
Then I would quote Doctor Beauchesne, Clerk of the House of Commons, who at page 125 states.
"It is quite true that if we apply to the British North America Act the principles followed in the interpretation of statutes, it is not a compact between provinces; it is an act ot parliament which does not even emhody all the resolutions passed in Canada and in London prior to its passage in the British Parliament where certain clauses that had not been recommended by the Canadian Provinces were added."
The evidence which I have submitted establishes to my satisfaction that there has been at no time in Canada any agreement, pac~ or treaty between the provinces creating a fed~~ eral union an4 a federal governmen~t. The privilege to federate therefore was still a future privilege for the nrovinces of Canada.
Provinces Completely Sovereign
Since the condition of sovereignty and independence must be enjoyed by the Provinces before they can federate, it was necessary that the British government relinquish its authority over them. This was done through the enactment of the Statute of Westminster on December 11, 1931. By section 7, paragraph 2, of this statute, the Provinces of Canada were made sovereign, free and independent in order that they might consummate the federal union which they wished to create in 1867, but were not permitted to do so.
Since December 11, 1931, the Provinces of Canada have not acted on their newly acquired status; they have not signed any agreement, they have not adopted a constitution, and the people of Canada have not ratified a constitution. Such action should have been taken immediately upon the enactment of the Statute of Westminster. It is by reason of the failure of the Provinces and of the people of Canada to take this action that all the anomalies in our present position exist. We have been trying since 1931 to govern ourselves federally, under an instrument which was nothing more than an act of the Imperial Parliament for the purpose of governing a colonial possession.
Not only has this anomalous condition obtained since 1931, but it has done so without any reference whatsoever having been made to the Canadian people. They have not been consulted on anything pertaining to constitutional matters. Before there can be a federal union in Canada and a federal government, the Provinces of Canada must be free and independent to consummate such a union. They have been free to do so since December 11, 1931, but they have not done so.
Canada Witbout A Constitution
I therefore pose this question: Whence does the Dominion Parliament derive its authority to govern this country? The Imperial Parliament cannot create a federal union in Canada or constitute a federal government for the people of Canada by virtue of the British North America Act or any other act. This can be done only by the people of Canada, and they have not yet done so.
Since December 11, 1931, as an individual citizen of this country I have had the right to be consulted on the matter of a constitution. I have had the right along with my fellow citizens to ratify or to refuse to ratify a constitution, but I have not been consulted in any way whatsoever. I assert therefore that until I, along with a majority of Canadians, ratify a constitution in Canada, there can be no constitution, and I challenge successful contradiction of that proposition.
Mr. POULIOT: Were you born in 1867?
Mr. KUHL: Not that I recall.
Mr. JOHNSTON: Were you?
Mr. POULIOT: No.
Mr. KUHL: Those who were in charge of Canadian affairs in 1931 were under obligation to acquaint the people of Canada with the constitutional position obtaining at the time and to prepare them so that they would be able to act upon their altered status.
Mr. JAENICKE: What about section 7 of the Statute of Westminster?
Mr. KUHL: I have already answered that. I have indicated the position of the British North America Act, and have pointed out that it has not been accepted as a constitution by the people of Canada.
Mr. JAENICKE: The Statute of Westminster made the provinces autonomous?
Mr. KUHL: Yes.
Mr. JAENICKE: What about section 7 of the Statute of Westminster?
Mr. KUHL: Which one?
Mr. JAENICKE: Amending the British North America Act.
Mr. KUHL: Just exactly as I have said, there can be no constitution in Canada, whether it is on the basis of the British North America Act or any other act, until the people of Canada accept it. They have not accepted it.
Mr. COLDWELL: We have been acting under the British North America Act since 1867.
Mr. KUHL. That does not alter the situation.
Mr. JAENICKE: What are you going to do about it?
Remedy For Condition
Mr. KUHL: Before I resume my seat I shall indicate definitely what to do about it. The people of Canada have not acted on the altered constitutional status; hence the deplorable constitutional position in which we find ourselves in this country. I know of no country which is in such shocking constitutional circumstances as Canada. As a native of this country it is most humiliating to me to be obliged to continue to accept this position, and I am determined to do my part to rectify that position.
Legally, Canada is in a state of anarchy, and has been so since December 11, 1931. All power to govern in Canada since the enactment of the Statute of Westminster has resided with the provinces of Canada, and all power legally remains there until such time as the provinces sign an agreement and ratify a constitution; whereby, they delegate such powers as they desire upon a central government of their own creation. Since December 11, 1931, the Parliament of Canada has governed Canada on assumed power only. It is imperative that this situation be dealt with in a fundamental way. Patchwork methods will not suffice.
Obviously the first act is that the provinces of Canada shall sign an agreement authorizing the present parliament to function as a provisional government. That is number one in answer to my hon. friend. Secondly, steps must then be taken to organize and elect a constituent assembly whose purpose will be to draft a constitution which must later be agreed to by the provinces and then ratified by the people of Canada. The dominion-provincial conference is to reconvene in the near future. This would be a most appropriate time and a most appropriate occasion on which to initiate action of this kind. I trust that the delegates to this conference will not disappoint us in this matter. I shall observe with much interest what will be said in this conference on constitutional relationships in Canada.
Proposals Endorsed
To show that I am not alone in my proposal I quote Doctor Beauchesne from the evidence of the special committee on the British North America Act in 1935. On page 126 of the evidence he is credited with saying:
"-the Statute of Westminster has altered our status. The time has come, in my humble opinion, when the British North America Act, except as to minority rights, should he transformed and a new constitution more in conformity with present conditions should be adopted. Amendments here and there would be mere patchwork which could not last. The people of 1935 are different from those of 1867. What we want is a new constitution. The new constitution must leave nobody with a grievance. A spirit of conciliation should predominate. For these reasons, the task must be entrusted to an independent body in which all the elements of the country will be represented. I, therefore, beg to suggest an imposing constituent assembly formed of eminent men coming from all parts of Canada. Provincial conferences, attended by a few ministers meeting behind closed doors, would hardly satisfy public opinion. The debate should be public. I want the assembly to sit in a city in the west. It would not be necessary for a delegate to be a member of Parliament or of a provincial Legislature."
And on page 128 Doctor Beauchesne is reported as follows:
“I would suggest that the assembly do not sit in Ottawa, in order that it may not have the appearance of being dominated or even influenced by the dominion power; and as the western provinces are of such paramount importance in the country, I suggest the best city for the representatives to gather in would be Winnipeg.”
And again on page 131:
"There have been many disputes about provincial rights since 1867 and it seems certain that when a new constitution is drawn up, the distribution of federal and provincial powers will have to be modified."
And page 135:
"I think the time is ripe for a change in the constitution. I do not think you would need much publicity in order to draw to the attention of the people of this country that the British North America Act is inadequate."
And finally on page 129:
"Whether our country should be changed from a dominion to a kingdom is also a subject which might be discussed. I would suggest that the country should be called "the federated states of Canada."
I should also like to quote in this connection a resolution which was adopted at a convention of Social Credit supporters and monetary-reform-minded people held in the city of Edmonton in 1942. This resolution is to be found at page 59 in the publication "Prepare Now," issued by the Bureau of Information, Legislative Building, Edmonton. It reads as follows:
"Whereas the statute of Westminster, in granting complete sovereignty and equality with Great Britain to Canada and other nations of the British Commonwealth, has changed the relative positions of the provincial and federal governments as provided in the B.N.A. Act;
and, Whereas it is desirable and expedient in the interests of national unity that an interprovincial conference of appropriate representatives of the Canadian Provinces be held for the purpose of reviewing and adjusting the constitutional relationship as between the Provinces and their central government with a view to providing effective democratic government in Canada;
Therefore be it resolved that without in any way prejudicing or jeopardizing the rights and privileges of any minority group in Canada, a comprehensive conference of representatives of the Provinces be held for the purpose of considering:
1. The existing legislative and admini~trative organi~ation in the provincial and federal spheres.
2. A more expedient allocation of powers as between the provincial and federal authorities.
3. Ways and means of facilitating the drafting, the adoption and the implementation of a Canadian constitution in keeping with the rights granted in the Statute of Westminster.
I contend, Mr. Speaker, that such are the actions which should be taken before it is appropriate to adopt a distinctive national flag. I submit that the adoption of a new flag of our own designing should be the crowning act to putting our constitutional house in order.
I believe that the statements which I have placed upon the record are historical facts. I believe that the conclusions which I have drawn from these facts are the only ones which can be drawn from them, and I believe, consequently, that the solution which I have suggested is the only one adequate for the circumstances. If hon. members of this assembly can successfully dispute either the facts which I have submitted or the conclusions which I have drawn therefrom, I shall be prepared to withdraw those conclusions, but if they do not do so, I believe the people of the country have a right to know what they propose to do in the circumstances.
It was my intention to move an amendment, but as one has been moved already I shall refrain from doing so until the amendment already moved has been dealt with. So far as the substance of that amendment is concerned, I repeat what I have previously indicated. I think it is premature to consider any flag, either the one suggested in the amendment or any other. There are other and more important actions to be taken before we can consider the adoption of a new flag.
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********************************************************************* Explanation of the
Statute of Westminster
By Walter Kuhl

The Parliament of a Dominion in Section 2 does not refer to the legislative body sitting in Ottawa on December 10, 1931. The legislative body sitting in Ottawa the day before the Statute of Westminster was passed, according to the Interpretations Act of 1889, Sec. 18, Par. 3, was the Central Legislature of a United Colony, whose only function and authority was to aid and advise the Governor General as the agent of the British Government. Section 2 does not validate the Central Legislature of a United Colony as the Federal parliament of a Federal Union. A Federal Union in Canada can be created only by completely independent and autonomous provinces, which section 7 (2) provides for.
As a consequence of Section 11, the term, Dominion, can now be applied to a Federal Union, and the term, the Parliament of a Dominion can now be applied to a Federal Parliament and not be inconsistent insofar as a definition is concerned. However, the British Government can no more convert the Central Legislature of a United Colony into the Federal Parliament of a Federal Union, by changing definitions, than it can turn water into wine.
The only validity which the B.N.A. Act has since December 11, 1931, is as a guide to the creation of a Federal Union which only the provinces can bring about. The provinces of Canada are free to use it as a guide in the creation of a Federal constitution, or they may reject it completely in favour of a constitution of their own making.
As an analogy, it might be said that the relationship into which the original provinces entered under the B.N.A. Act was a sort of shot-gun marriage; they were forced into a United Colony against their will. The Statute of Westminster gave the provinces their independence so that they could consummate a voluntary marriage, but they have not yet done so. Ever since December 11, 1931, the provinces have been living common-law with Ottawa and have the right to terminate this arrangement at any time they wish. End
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*********************************************** PERTINENT CLAUSES FROM
THE STATUTE OF WESTMINSTER
AND THER STATUTES

2. (1) The Colonial Laws Validity Act. 1865, shall not apply to any law made after
the commencement of this Act by the Parliament of a Dominion.

• (2 ) No law and no provision of any law made after the commencement of this Act by the Parliament of a Dominion shall he void or inoperative on the ground that it is repugnant to the law of England, or to the provisions of any existing or future Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom, or to any order, rule or regulation made under any such Act, and the powers of the Parliament of a Dominion shall include the power to repeal or amend any such Act, order, rule or regulation in so far as the same is part of the law of the Dominion.

4. No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the commencement of this Act shall extend or be deemed to extend, to a Dominion as part of the law of that Dominion, unless it is expressly declared in that Act that that Dominion has requested, and consented to, the enactment thereof.
7. (1) Nothing in this Act shall be deemed to apply to the repeal, amendment or alteration of the
British North America Acts, 1867 to 1930, or any order, rule or regulation made thereunder.

• (2) The provisions of section two of this Act shill extend to laws made by any of the Provinces of Canada and to the powers of the legislatures of such Provinces. (3) The powers conferred by this Act upon the Parliament of Canada or upon the legislatures of the Provinces shall he restricted to the enactment of laws in relation to matters within the competence of the Parliament of Canada or of any of the legislatures of the Provinces respectively.

11. Notwithstanding anything in the Interpretation Act, 1889, the expression "Colony" shall not, in any Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the commencement of this Act, include a Dominion or any Province or State forming part of a Dominion.
THE INTERPRETATIONS ACT, 1889
Sec. 18, Par. 3, - The expression "Colony" shall mean any of Her Majesty's Dominions exclusive of the British Islands and British India, and where parts of such dominions are under both a Central Legislature and Local Legislature for the purposes of this definition shall be deemed to be one Colony.
THE COLONIAL LAWS VALIDITY ACT, JUNE 29th, 1865.
Sec. 6, - Any proclamation purported to be published by the authority of the Governor, circulating in any newspaper in the Colonies, signifying Herr Majesty's assent to any Colonial law or Her Majesty's disallowance of any such reserved bill as aforesaid, shall be prima facie evidence of such disallowance or assent.
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Spruce Grove, Alta., R.R. I,
November 23rd, 1976. The Hon. Rene Levesque,
Premier-elect,
Province of Quebec,
Quebec, P.Q.
Dear Mr. Levesque:
Congratulations on your magnificent personal victory and that of your Parti Quebecois in the recent Quebec election.
As a student of Canadian constitutional history and of Canadian constitutional problems for some 40 years, I am tremendously interested in the constitutional implications of your recent political victory.
For 14 years, from 1935 to 1949, it was my privilege to serve as a member of the House of Commons, from the province of Alberta. The withholding of assent to some Alberta legislation in those years by the Lieutenant-Governor and the disallowance of other Alberta legislation by the people at Ottawa, set me to investigating how these things could be. I was assisted in my studies by R. Rogers Smith, who was personally acquainted with a onetime private secretary to John A. MacDonaId at the time when the B.N.A. Act was being enacted. Through this source I have become acquainted with much information concerning the history of the B.N.A. Act which is not to be found in text books.
All this information has led me to the conclusion that the existing constitutional circumstances are shocking to the point of unbelief. However, in my considered opinion, after 40 years of intensive study, these existing constitutional circumstances are of such a nature that they can be of extreme advantage to you in governing your province.
I am enclosing copies of some of the addresses which I delivered in the House of Commons on the subject, as well as copies of a pamphlet by Mr. Smith, dealing with the same subject. If you have not already been made acquainted with this material, I trust it will prove enlightening and helpful to you in the constitutional considerations in which you obviously are going to become involved.
Although the enclosed material should give you a clear outline of what I conceive to be your present standing constitutionally as a province, 1 would like to give you a brief summary of what I believe to be your present position.
So far as separation. is concerned, rather than it being necessary to seek separation rights through a referendum, THE PROVINCE OF QUEBEC IS ALREADY COMPLETELY CONSTITUTIONALLY SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF CANADA ! ! ! ! This is equally true of every other province in Canada and has been so since December 11, 1931, through the Statute of Westminster.
HOW CAN YOU BE DIVORCED IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN MARRIED?
In other words, ever since the enactment of the Statute of Westminster in 1931, by the British Govemment, each of the provinces of Canada has been a completely sovereign and independent state, and because the provinces have signed nothing since then constituting a Federal Union and a Federal Government, and because no such treaty has been ratified by the people of Canada, the provinces still enjoy the status of sovereignty and are privileged to use it in any way they see fit.
As you will observe from the enclosed addresses, I quote eminent Canadian constitutional authorities as suggesting that the only and logical solution to the existing constitutional circumstances is the drafting and the adoption of a proper federal constitution in which the provinces can reserve for themselves any and all powers necessary to enable them to govern their provinces successfully.
I am sure you can appreciate that if this were done, you could solve your economic and other problems in Quebec without resorting to separation. I feel sure that having the ability to solve your problems and still remain constitutionally part of the country of Canada, would be much more satisfactory to your supporters as well as to others within your province.
The following is a summary of the reasons for the things I have just stated:

• 1. At the time of Confederation movement in Canada, the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick desired to form a Federal Union. 2. The Quebec Resolutions of 1864 provided for a Federal Union.
  3. The Bill drafted by the Canadian degates at the London Conference in 1866 also provided for a Federal Union.
  4. The Colonial Office of the Imperial Parliament was not disposed to grant the Provinces of Canada their request for a Federal Union.
  5. The British North America Act enacted by the Imperial Parliament carried out neither the spirit nor the terms of the Quebec Resolutions.
  6. Canada did not become a Federal Union or a Confederation under the British North America Act, but rather a United Colony. The privilege of federation, therefore, was still a future privilege for the provinces of Canada.
  7. The Parliament of Canada did not become the government of Canada, much less a federal government; it became merely the central legislature of a United Colony, a legislative body whose only power was that of aiding and advising the Governor-General as agent of the Imperial Parliament.
  8. The British North America Act, as enacted by the Imperial Parliament, was not a constitution but merely an act of the Imperial Parliament which united four colonies in Canada into one colony, with the supreme authority still remaining in the hands of the British government.
  9. The privilege of federating became realizable for the provinces of Canada, only through the enactment of the Statute of Westminster on December 11, 1931. Through this statute, the Imperial Parliament relinquished to the people of Canada their sovereign rights, and through them to their Provincial governments as their most direct agents.
  10. Since December 11, 1931, the Provinces of Canada have not acted on their newly acquired status in the forming of a Federal Union, nor have the people of Canada ratified a constitution. Therefore, the original proposition, namely: that all power to govern in Canada resides at the moment, with the Provinces of Canada; and, that all power legally remains there until such time as the Provinces sign an agreement and ratify a constitution whereby they may delegate such powers as they wish to a central government of their own creation. In the meantime, Canada exists as ten political units without a political superior.

Should you consider that there is merit in the information which I have given you, I would be very happy to meet with you personally to discuss in greater depth the implications of the unprecedented constitutional circumstances prevailing in Canada.
Yours for a better Canada,

Walter F. Kuhl
[Member of Parliament for Jasper-Edson, 1935-1949]
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********************************************************************* An added note on the question: What right or authority does the Queen of Great Britain have in calling herself the Queen of Canada? What right does she have in being the plaintiff in charges made in the name of the Crown against any man or woman living on the landmass called Canada? The Canadian Governor General's website has, and probably still does, point out that the office of Governor General is 'de facto', which in referring to government means that authority has been unlawfully usurped (assumed). It is interesting that the Criminal Code of Canada, (belonging to the de facto government of Canada), says in Section 15 that laws of a de facto government carry no liability for non-compliance. The BNA Act (1867) section 2: The provisions of this Act referring to Her majesty the Queen extends also the the heirs and successors of Her Majesty, Kings and Queens of the United Kingdom of Great britain and Ireland.
The Imperial Parliament repealed section 2 of the BNA Act (1867) by the Statutes Revision Act of 1893. Under what authority did the successor to Queen Victoria, or successors to the British throne since, continue to rule Canada as the Crown of Canada?
Where is the "CROWN OF CANADA"???? Where is the "THRONE OF CANADA"????

 

[Adriatik]

Ok you treasonous turds. Give your collective heads a shake. Or better yet, let me shake it for you. They used to hang traitors in the old days. When I hear such talk from my fellow Canadians my stomach begins to turn somersaults and I want to vomit in your general direction.

if you want to play that game let's get at 'er....

Wow, cool flag :lol: Very colourful, the pink must represent you peoples' belief in fairy tales.

I think you are going a little hard on us who support the coalition.. We are not traitors, we are citizens who elected MPs to represent us and they're doing just that, all within parliamentary ethics. Our Westminster-style system allows this type of practice when the governing party has a minority government.

It looks like you already have bought into the Conservative propaganda and you are being affected by Harper's fear tactics. He's trying to scare Canadians by saying a coalition taking power is undemocratic and it seems to be working for the naive.

Harper has to face the facts, our system works like this: If you have minority government, you must compromise and get along with the opposition to pass bills but the Conservatives failed to do so thus resulting in this penalty.

The coalition has every right to vote against the Conservatives and defeat their government. The decision lies in Michaelle Jean's hands. Guess what? She will not dissolve government because an election is too costly in these tough times and she will give the coalition a chance to govern.

Even if Harper tries to avoid imminent defeat by proroguing parliament we shall still see the same result.

If the West gets alienated, so be it, it's their problem for acting selfishly by supporting a right-wing party. People from the west do not want to contribute to help ALL Canadians and simply want to protect their own. Shame on them.

I trust that Harper the coward will prorogue parliament but the non-confidence vote is coming, the Conservatives can't run forever...

 

[MHz]

For the longest time central Canada carried the weight of the country on it's shoulders. And they didn't complain.

Where do you dig up this sort of propaganda???For years the only thing moving east was grain, that's it, the west wasn't 'allowed' to get into manufacturing as that was the east's domain. Carried the weight, what a crock.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Ron, your suggestion for a Western Block Party smacks of treason. You might want to paint it as a unity platform but any fool can see the underlying intent of such a party, and that is separation. Such formations only serve to undermine the country, not build it up as you should be doing. The west is always griping about eastern Canada wanting to 'steal' their wealth away from them. For the longest time central Canada carried the weight of the country on it's shoulders. And they didn't complain. At least not too loudly. Now it's your turn. Do the right thing and stand up for your country. Western greed will eventually come back to haunt you. Just like Harper's greed for power is now biting him in the rear. Must be something in the water out here...

I'm talking about standing up for OUR country! I have not problem pay'n my fair share
and then some if need be! I'm talking about something VERY Democratic! You can read
anything you want into whatever you want. What you're describing, I wasn't picturing....
at all. You don't like it, fine. Don't vote for this mythical and non-existent Party.

I'm try'n to come up with a solution. I'm putting it out here to get ripped apart. The pieces
might fit together better than the original....So what's your idea? I'm nothing if not open.:?:

 

[Ron in Regina]

mt pockets1000....you're cynical enough to perhaps see something I missed. I don't know.
You sound like the perfect person to lead the "Western BlocK Party" to ensure that it
doesn't loose its way!!!

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Wow, cool flag :lol: Very colourful, the pink must represent you peoples' belief in fairy tales.

I think you are going a little hard on us who support the coalition.. We are not traitors, we are citizens who elected MPs to represent us and they're doing just that, all within parliamentary ethics. Our Westminster-style system allows this type of practice when the governing party has a minority government.

It looks like you already have bought into the Conservative propaganda and you are being affected by Harper's fear tactics. He's trying to scare Canadians by saying a coalition taking power is undemocratic and it seems to be working for the naive.

Harper has to face the facts, our system works like this: If you have minority government, you must compromise and get along with the opposition to pass bills but the Conservatives failed to do so thus resulting in this penalty.

The coalition has every right to vote against the Conservatives and defeat their government. The decision lies in Michaelle Jean's hands. Guess what? She will not dissolve government because an election is too costly in these tough times and she will give the coalition a chance to govern.

Even if Harper tries to avoid imminent defeat by proroguing parliament we shall still see the same result.

If the West gets alienated, so be it, it's their problem for acting selfishly by supporting a right-wing party. People from the west do not want to contribute to help ALL Canadians and simply want to protect their own. Shame on them.

I trust that Harper the coward will prorogue parliament but the non-confidence vote is coming, the Conservatives can't run forever...

Don't misundertake me doctor. I was pointing my finger at the Western Block Party, not the coalition of the Liberals and NDP. I'm all for the quick removal of Mr. Harper from the hallowed halls of Parliament Hill. He can prorogue (or perogy) parliament all he wants, the axe is about to fall.

You got a problem with pink, sonny? Are you some kinda hung up homophobic nimrod...:lol:

The Newfoundland pink, white and green tricolor is one of the oldest symbols in continuous use in Newfoundland and Labrador. It predates its cousin the Irish flag by five years, and is the oldest flag in the world to use the color pink. It has a long history....

 

[mt_pockets1000]

mt pockets1000....you're cynical enough to perhaps see something I missed. I don't know.
You sound like the perfect person to lead the "Western BlocK Party" to ensure that it
doesn't loose its way!!!

Ron, if I was as cynical as you say I'd be laying awake at night dreaming up hairbrain ideas such as the Western Block Party. This party will not need a leader, fortunately, because it will never see the light of day.

All I'm saying is this country does not need further regionalization. We have too much of it right now. Surely we can come up with ideas that will benefit the country as a whole.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Cool! Ya' learn something new everyday. The "Western BlocK Party" would fly the
Canadian Flag. It wouldn't need a Flag as it wouldn't be a sovereign territory, but an idea
that might evolve into a Political Party. You want the job?

 

[Adriatik]

Don't misundertake me doctor. I was pointing my finger at the Western Block Party, not the coalition of the Liberals and NDP. I'm all for the quick removal of Mr. Harper from the hallowed halls of Parliament Hill. He can prorogue (or perogy) parliament all he wants, the axe is about to fall.

You got a problem with pink, sonny? Are you some kinda hung up homophobic nimrod...:lol:

The Newfoundland pink, white and green tricolor is one of the oldest symbols in continuous use in Newfoundland and Labrador. It predates its cousin the Irish flag by five years, and is the oldest flag in the world to use the color pink. It has a long history....

Sorry dude, no prejudice meant. Go Coalition Go!!

 

[darkbeaver]

Where's our armed forces? We have them putting down the wrong insurgency. This one's all about oil and power too, if I read Ron right.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Ron, if I was as cynical as you say I'd be laying awake at night dreaming up hairbrain ideas such as the Western Block Party. This party will not need a leader, fortunately, because it will never see the light of day.

All I'm saying is this country does not need further regionalization. We have too much of it right now. Surely we can come up with ideas that will benefit the country as a whole.

So that's a No? You don't want the job? OK then...and we (my co-workers) came up with
this over coffee this morning. What's your idea that will benefit Canada as a whole? I'll bring
it up at coffee in the morning, and see where it goes.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Where's our armed forces? We have them putting down the wrong insurgency. This one's all about oil and power too, if I read Ron right.

db...not sure I'm following you.8O Did you start reading at the beginnng, or only
start in at mt pockets1000's spin on things?8O:lol:8O:lol:8O

 

[Ron in Regina]

Ron, if I was as cynical as you say I'd be laying awake at night dreaming up hairbrain ideas such as the Western Block Party. This party will not need a leader, fortunately, because it will never see the light of day.

All I'm saying is this country does not need further regionalization. We have too much of it right now. Surely we can come up with ideas that will benefit the country as a whole.

So Canada, right now, currently has just the right amount of regionaliztion then?
Good to know. Sorry about cynicical...how about sceptical...that's not a bad thing.
Too much regionalization right now? OK...I agree...what's the answer? How do you
fight that fire? I'm sure it was said that both the Reform & Bloc Parties would have
never seen the light of day either. We're all entitled to our opinions. Great, isn't it?

 

[mt_pockets1000]

So that's a No? You don't want the job? OK then...and we (my co-workers) came up with
this over coffee this morning. What's your idea that will benefit Canada as a whole? I'll bring
it up at coffee in the morning, and see where it goes.

Yes, I'm sure there were lot's of separatist's tongues wagging around the water cooler today. Nothing like a recession to bring them out of the woodwork.

I would not be so presumptious as to think I can solve the politcal woes of this country. That's why I vote, so I can depend on my elected officials to do the job. But I do have the ability to see a wolf in sheeps clothing when I see one.

 

[Francis2004]

Where's our armed forces? We have them putting down the wrong insurgency. This one's all about oil and power too, if I read Ron right.

You have a point there.. Who has the armed forces and better yet who holds the Central Bank ( as in Monopoly everyone wants to be the Banker ) or should we just use the Yank Dollar ? Maybe they will want a say in that as well as a cut in our resources..