I don't want to appear to be rude but I think you are full of B.S. I'm quite sure that a handsome sum of money could be raised to pay anyone who could negotiate with Syria to hand over their weapons!
The Syria Thread: Everything you wanted to know or say about it
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I don't want to appear to be rude but I think you are full of B.S. I'm quite sure that a handsome sum of money could be raised to pay anyone who could negotiate with Syria to hand over their weapons!
John Cleese gives his view of how each country is reacting to the Syria Crisis:
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the Blitz in 1940.............. when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the English issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.
The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have other levels.
The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.
Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."
The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.
The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be alright, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the Blitz in 1940.............. when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the English issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.
The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have other levels.
The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.
Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."
The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.
The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be alright, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.
You must be desperate now Colpy since your rabid zionist friends mad ideas are coming apart at the seams eh.
How the Western services fabricated the ’’chemical attack’’ of Ghouta
4- The victims are prisoners of the jihadists
TM : When these images had been broadcasted, the first thing that jumps to eye is that none of these children are accompanied.
This is very shocking, because in Near-Eastern culture, you never leave a body unaccompanied, even more so when they are children.
But these children are without parents.
Then, we can see them in the hands of people that are presented as medical staff, trying to save them. But it is hard to deduce what exactly the staff is doing.
In fact, their is a simple reason : these children are not victims of a chemical attack.
These are children that were kidnapped two weeks previous, in the beginning of August, in the Latakia region, 200 km away from the Ghouta.
They were taken while a jihadist attack on pro-Assas alaouit villagers. Most of the families were killed. Some survived. In the improvised cemeteries around Latakia were found over a thousand dead.
These children, of whom no one has heard about for two weeks, actually resurfaced on these videos.
Those of which the families were still alive recognized them, and these families pressed charges for assassination. If we don’t understand what kind of care is given to these children on these videos, it’s simply because they are not being treated.
They are being injected poison by intravenous, and being killed in front of the cameras.
5- The secret services would supposedly have a secret way to analyze human samples
TM : The US, Britain and France explain that the victims were gassed, or by sarin gas, or by a mix of gas including sarin gas. They rely on analysis produced by their own laboratories, from their own samples collected in the field.
This is completely impossible, because the United-Nations have also gone the scene and swabbed samples, but need about another ten days in order to analyze them.
So, in fact, what has been explained by the US, the UK and France, is that they have at their disposition secret investigation methods completely unknown to the scientific world, that permits to instantly cultivate human tissue and to have immediate results.
Identification of the dead children in Ghouta
Following the broadcasting of the images of the massacre in Ghouta, distributed by the Free Syrian Army and relayed by US and French services, Alawite families from Latakia have filed a complaint for murder.
Some of these videos were filmed and posted on Youtube before the events they picture [1].
They show children suffocating from a chemical intoxication that can’t possibly be sarin gas (the latter provokes yellow drool, not white drool).
The children do not correspond to a sample of the population: they are all almost of the same age and have light hair. They are not accompanied by their grieving families.
They are in fact children who were abducted by jihadists two weeks before in Alawite villages in the surroundings of Latakia, 200km away from Ghouta.
Contrary to the sayings of the Free Syrian Army and the Western services, the only identified victims of the Ghouta massacre are those belonging to families that support the Syrian government. In the videos, the individuals that show outrage against the ’’crimes of Bashar el-Assad’’ are in reality their killers.
[1] « About the videos of the August 21st massacre », Voltaire Network, August 30th 2013.
Voltaire Network
Voltaire, international edition
How the Western services fabricated the ’’chemical attack’’ of Ghouta
4- The victims are prisoners of the jihadists
TM : When these images had been broadcasted, the first thing that jumps to eye is that none of these children are accompanied.
This is very shocking, because in Near-Eastern culture, you never leave a body unaccompanied, even more so when they are children.
But these children are without parents.
Then, we can see them in the hands of people that are presented as medical staff, trying to save them. But it is hard to deduce what exactly the staff is doing.
In fact, their is a simple reason : these children are not victims of a chemical attack.
These are children that were kidnapped two weeks previous, in the beginning of August, in the Latakia region, 200 km away from the Ghouta.
They were taken while a jihadist attack on pro-Assas alaouit villagers. Most of the families were killed. Some survived. In the improvised cemeteries around Latakia were found over a thousand dead.
These children, of whom no one has heard about for two weeks, actually resurfaced on these videos.
Those of which the families were still alive recognized them, and these families pressed charges for assassination. If we don’t understand what kind of care is given to these children on these videos, it’s simply because they are not being treated.
They are being injected poison by intravenous, and being killed in front of the cameras.
5- The secret services would supposedly have a secret way to analyze human samples
TM : The US, Britain and France explain that the victims were gassed, or by sarin gas, or by a mix of gas including sarin gas. They rely on analysis produced by their own laboratories, from their own samples collected in the field.
This is completely impossible, because the United-Nations have also gone the scene and swabbed samples, but need about another ten days in order to analyze them.
So, in fact, what has been explained by the US, the UK and France, is that they have at their disposition secret investigation methods completely unknown to the scientific world, that permits to instantly cultivate human tissue and to have immediate results.
Identification of the dead children in Ghouta
Following the broadcasting of the images of the massacre in Ghouta, distributed by the Free Syrian Army and relayed by US and French services, Alawite families from Latakia have filed a complaint for murder.
Some of these videos were filmed and posted on Youtube before the events they picture [1].
They show children suffocating from a chemical intoxication that can’t possibly be sarin gas (the latter provokes yellow drool, not white drool).
The children do not correspond to a sample of the population: they are all almost of the same age and have light hair. They are not accompanied by their grieving families.
They are in fact children who were abducted by jihadists two weeks before in Alawite villages in the surroundings of Latakia, 200km away from Ghouta.
Contrary to the sayings of the Free Syrian Army and the Western services, the only identified victims of the Ghouta massacre are those belonging to families that support the Syrian government. In the videos, the individuals that show outrage against the ’’crimes of Bashar el-Assad’’ are in reality their killers.
[1] « About the videos of the August 21st massacre », Voltaire Network, August 30th 2013.
Voltaire Network
Voltaire, international edition
4- The victims are prisoners of the jihadists
TM : When these images had been broadcasted, the first thing that jumps to eye is that none of these children are accompanied.
This is very shocking, because in Near-Eastern culture, you never leave a body unaccompanied, even more so when they are children.
But these children are without parents.
Then, we can see them in the hands of people that are presented as medical staff, trying to save them. But it is hard to deduce what exactly the staff is doing.
In fact, their is a simple reason : these children are not victims of a chemical attack.
These are children that were kidnapped two weeks previous, in the beginning of August, in the Latakia region, 200 km away from the Ghouta.
They were taken while a jihadist attack on pro-Assas alaouit villagers. Most of the families were killed. Some survived. In the improvised cemeteries around Latakia were found over a thousand dead.
These children, of whom no one has heard about for two weeks, actually resurfaced on these videos.
Those of which the families were still alive recognized them, and these families pressed charges for assassination. If we don’t understand what kind of care is given to these children on these videos, it’s simply because they are not being treated.
They are being injected poison by intravenous, and being killed in front of the cameras.
5- The secret services would supposedly have a secret way to analyze human samples
TM : The US, Britain and France explain that the victims were gassed, or by sarin gas, or by a mix of gas including sarin gas. They rely on analysis produced by their own laboratories, from their own samples collected in the field.
This is completely impossible, because the United-Nations have also gone the scene and swabbed samples, but need about another ten days in order to analyze them.
So, in fact, what has been explained by the US, the UK and France, is that they have at their disposition secret investigation methods completely unknown to the scientific world, that permits to instantly cultivate human tissue and to have immediate results.
Identification of the dead children in Ghouta
Some of these videos were filmed and posted on Youtube before the events they picture [1].
They show children suffocating from a chemical intoxication that can’t possibly be sarin gas (the latter provokes yellow drool, not white drool).
The children do not correspond to a sample of the population: they are all almost of the same age and have light hair. They are not accompanied by their grieving families.
They are in fact children who were abducted by jihadists two weeks before in Alawite villages in the surroundings of Latakia, 200km away from Ghouta.
Contrary to the sayings of the Free Syrian Army and the Western services, the only identified victims of the Ghouta massacre are those belonging to families that support the Syrian government. In the videos, the individuals that show outrage against the ’’crimes of Bashar el-Assad’’ are in reality their killers.
[1] « About the videos of the August 21st massacre », Voltaire Network, August 30th 2013.
Voltaire Network
Voltaire, international edition
How the Western services fabricated the ’’chemical attack’’ of Ghouta
4- The victims are prisoners of the jihadists
TM : When these images had been broadcasted, the first thing that jumps to eye is that none of these children are accompanied.
This is very shocking, because in Near-Eastern culture, you never leave a body unaccompanied, even more so when they are children.
But these children are without parents.
Then, we can see them in the hands of people that are presented as medical staff, trying to save them. But it is hard to deduce what exactly the staff is doing.
In fact, their is a simple reason : these children are not victims of a chemical attack.
These are children that were kidnapped two weeks previous, in the beginning of August, in the Latakia region, 200 km away from the Ghouta.
They were taken while a jihadist attack on pro-Assas alaouit villagers. Most of the families were killed. Some survived. In the improvised cemeteries around Latakia were found over a thousand dead.
These children, of whom no one has heard about for two weeks, actually resurfaced on these videos.
Those of which the families were still alive recognized them, and these families pressed charges for assassination. If we don’t understand what kind of care is given to these children on these videos, it’s simply because they are not being treated.
They are being injected poison by intravenous, and being killed in front of the cameras.
5- The secret services would supposedly have a secret way to analyze human samples
TM : The US, Britain and France explain that the victims were gassed, or by sarin gas, or by a mix of gas including sarin gas. They rely on analysis produced by their own laboratories, from their own samples collected in the field.
This is completely impossible, because the United-Nations have also gone the scene and swabbed samples, but need about another ten days in order to analyze them.
So, in fact, what has been explained by the US, the UK and France, is that they have at their disposition secret investigation methods completely unknown to the scientific world, that permits to instantly cultivate human tissue and to have immediate results.
Identification of the dead children in Ghouta
Some of these videos were filmed and posted on Youtube before the events they picture [1].
They show children suffocating from a chemical intoxication that can’t possibly be sarin gas (the latter provokes yellow drool, not white drool).
The children do not correspond to a sample of the population: they are all almost of the same age and have light hair. They are not accompanied by their grieving families.
They are in fact children who were abducted by jihadists two weeks before in Alawite villages in the surroundings of Latakia, 200km away from Ghouta.
Contrary to the sayings of the Free Syrian Army and the Western services, the only identified victims of the Ghouta massacre are those belonging to families that support the Syrian government. In the videos, the individuals that show outrage against the ’’crimes of Bashar el-Assad’’ are in reality their killers.
[1] « About the videos of the August 21st massacre », Voltaire Network, August 30th 2013.
Voltaire Network
Voltaire, international edition
Turkish fighter jet shoots down Syrian military helicopter after it crosses border | National Post
Framework for elimination of Syrian chemical weapons - CNN.com
United Nations investigating 14 suspected Syria chemical attacks as report says ‘clear and convincing evidence’ sarin used on August 21 | National Post
Framework for elimination of Syrian chemical weapons - CNN.com
United Nations investigating 14 suspected Syria chemical attacks as report says ‘clear and convincing evidence’ sarin used on August 21 | National Post
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Blaming the US for this is off the mark.
Either way- If Assad goes there will be revenge killings- then depends upon who takes over if they are massive.
Assad stays - Revenge killings.
Slaughter is born & bred into the Assad Clan.
You may be right in this instance, Goober. The American public cried "No" to another risk-laden intervention with no goal and no exit strategy.
Time for the US to address domestic issues, but who are you and I to give advice?
Time for the US to address domestic issues, but who are you and I to give advice?
Obama has tried to stay away- His FP is beyond stupid.
2 good articles to consider.
Will Obama Be a Foreign-Policy President After all? | Stephen M. Walt | Stephen M. Walt
The recent brouhaha over striking Syria suggests that a lot of Americans (and more than a few Congresspersons) have no interest in another Middle Eastern war, which is good news for those who favor diplomacy. But that episode also suggests that Obama doesn't have a lot of clout on the Hill these days and that any attempt at a genuine détente with Iran is bound to face a lot of vocal opposition up there. Nor does the administration's handling of the Syria business give one confidence that it knows how to orchestrate a complicated, protracted process that will involve negotiations with a prickly adversary while simultaneously building support for that policy at home. I may be underestimating the administration, but that's what the record shows so far.
The Price of Proxies - By Marc Lynch | Foreign Policy
It should be self-evident is that the fiercely anti-democratic and highly sectarian Gulf states have little interest in avoiding sectarianism and none in building democracy. It is thus baffling that so many in Washington have convinced themselves that the Saudis can be trusted to promote moderate, democratic, or secular opposition forces. Relying on their efforts means acceding to their preferred view of Syria's conflict as primarily an arena for proxy war with Iran. To paraphrase former U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, the Saudis are always willing to fight Iran to the last dead American (or Syrian). There will be no support from the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) for the negotiated political solution that Washington actually prefers, and likely active subversion of the Geneva 2 process, if it gets under way
What model of society are you basing that on, he was in power no longer than how long Egypt and a few other nations in the same area?
How many coups have there been in the whole area since, say the one in Iran in 1953? And who was behind them?
Nobody did anything in Iran for about 25 years, Egyp went 40 years and Saudi and Bahrain and Kuwait are pretty much ruled with an iron hand. So set Assad apart that suddenly things needed to be changed, by sending in foreign fighters?
It was a coup to get out from being under the thump of Egypt and the United Arab Republic. Are you saying it was as brutal a rule as the US controlled Shaw of Iran's rule?