The Syria Thread: Everything you wanted to know or say about it

[Spade]

Goober, you forgot to bold "instigators" as we don't know who they are.

Response to U.S. administration, other governments referring to MSF statement of Aug. 24: MSF Canada

 

[JLM]

Goober, you forgot to bold "instigators" as we don't know who they are.

Response to U.S. administration, other governments referring to MSF statement of Aug. 24: MSF Canada

"Instigators" was a poor choice of words on my part, "perpetrators" is what I should have said!

 

[Goober]

"Instigators" was a poor choice of words on my part, "perpetrators" is what I should have said!

500- 1500 - why should the West become involved????????
Read this link.
Second Congo War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Goober, you forgot to bold "instigators" as we don't know who they are.

Response to U.S. administration, other governments referring to MSF statement of Aug. 24: MSF Canada

The French made a clearer disclosure on evidence than the US.

 

[BaalsTears]

Where would be the win in fighting any war in the ME?
...

1. Don't go to war unless one's life depends on it.

2. If one goes to war one must win.

3. In order to win one must be prepared to do whatever is required to win including killing all of the enemy to the last man, women and child.

4. If one is not prepared to do such things one must avoid war at all costs.

5. Hulagu Khan showed the way to successfully wage war against people in the Middle East. Baghdad never recovered from the siege of 1258 CE.

Those who now support Obama's new war in Syria will later be called upon to account for their lack of judgment and ignorance. They stand as guarantors of Obama's folly.

 

[Goober]

1. Don't go to war unless one's life depends on it.

2. If one goes to war one must win.

3. In order to win one must be prepared to do whatever is required to win including killing all of the enemy to the last man, women and child.

4. If one is not prepared to do such things one must avoid war at all costs.

5. Hulagu Khan showed the way to successfully wage war against people in the Middle East. Baghdad never recovered from the siege of 1258 CE.

On our winter vacations I have been reading historical novels about the Mongols. That said I am aware of the empire from actual historical accounts.
Genghis Khan. From nothing to an empire.

 

[BaalsTears]

On our winter vacations I have been reading historical novels about the Mongols. That said I am aware of the empire from actual historical accounts.
Genghis Khan. From nothing to an empire.

Sometimes great men and women can transform the transient advantage of a people to give them temporary superiority over other peoples. What is an advantage at a given moment changes over time as the random correlation of forces changes. So it was with the zeitgeist of the Mongol people, the recurved composite bow, and hardy ponies. The same pattern reappears throughout history.

The Mongols were sufficiently ruthless and tactically innovative enough to deal with all of the Middle Eastern peoples, plus the Afghans. Only the Japanese encountered the Mongols without being defeated.

 

[hunboldt]

Awesome!! ShintoMale.

Obama drew a line in the sand, so now he has to try and prove the USA is not weak... to late Obama, you left a man behind to die in Benghazi, that shows the US under an Obama government is a joke. nuff said.

Russia Says American Evidence on Syria 'Inconclusive' - ABC News

frankly Boom- he doesn't have to prove anything. If necessary, the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, the Saudis, and the Gulf states can roll up Assad from the south with American air suppression.

Benghazi was ' poop happens'.'|Let Putin handle it. Worked for Brezhnev in the 'Ghan in1979...

 

[petros]

Someone is definitely asleep at the switch, gas prices haven't budged here in over a week!

You're paying with higher prices on everything else with a lower dollar and higher logistics.

 

[darkbeaver]

Who is their Jihad against? 'Merica or Israel?

Tell me what another brotherhood nation bordering Israel would be like for Israel?

A f*cking bonus?

Where do you find Anti-Semitism in my comment now?

I can point that out for ya, you have used the word border you anti semite you.

 

[B00Mer]

frankly Boom- he doesn't have to prove anything. If necessary, the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, the Saudis, and the Gulf states can roll up Assad from the south with American air suppression.

Benghazi was ' poop happens'.'|Let Putin handle it. Worked for Brezhnev in the 'Ghan in1979...

Huh, yeah maybe so if it were not for the 9,000 troops moved into Syria by Russia and China, not to mention tanks, arms and a few ships from Russia currently, China is sending 2 war ships..

They will have the US ships pegged between Syria and their ships..

Hope those cruise missiles don't hit Russian and Chineese troops..

Russia sends ‘tens of thousands’ of troops to Syria | The Sun |News|Politics

Iran Sends 4,000 Troops To Aid Syria's Assad | Zero Hedge

WW3 Russia,China, Iran Send 90000 Troops to Syria - 12 Warships - YouTube

WWIII bring it on... population control ..

I think the USA (Obama War Machine) is about to get its knuckles rapped, and Russia, China, Iran and Syria will draw a red line in the sand for the USA..

 

[gopher]

Flashback: Chemical Weapons In Syria Include WMDs Shipped From Iraq

The media is fond of saying, without question, that there were no WMDs found in Iraq.

This has always been untrue and easily refuted, if media did anything other than parrot the party line.

The question isn’t about whether there were WMDs. The question has been how have we been letting the media get away with mistating the facts for all these years when ample evidence was there.

As the military reported, after we went into Iraq, chemical weapons, facilities and residue were in fact found, and kept being found for years afterward.


Via NY Post from 2010:

There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein’s chemical weapons arsenal — most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.



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Flashback: Chemical Weapons In Syria Include WMDs Shipped From Iraq | Weasel Zippers

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~ small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq ~


We've discussed the fact that this report was re certain weapons which were inspected and OK by the UN's Hans Blix because they had been disabled:


""Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent." However, all are thought to be pre-Gulf War munitions.[119] These munitions meet the technical definition of weapons of mass destruction, according to the commander of the National Ground Intelligence Center. "These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee. The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, though agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said.[120]"




source: Wiki ~ we've gone through this a few times before but will likely do so again





Saddam's Baathists were enemies to Assad. Therefore, it take a complete dismissal of logic and common sense to think Saddam would deliberately ship WMD to Assad in order to arm his own enemy.

Obama will be defeated by Assad, Putin and Khamenei. Obama doesn't have the stones to fight a successful war.

Well, the truth is the USA hasn't had too much in winning wars against foreign countries such as Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. It's all part of a recent tradition - one not designed to win but to prolong wars so that the military industrial complex may continue to profit from them.

 

[petros]

Don't worry they scraped the e off the Boeing logo on the tomahawks, now they say boing.

 

[Locutus]

Farting into the wind now. Nothing more.

 

[gopher]

What's the motto of the Brotherhood?

~ "When you're nWo, you're nWo 4 life" ~

 

[B00Mer]

Well, was predicted by Nostradamus! Russia and China will war against USA 2gether with a Middle Eastern enemy of Usa ! Then Russia wik turn against them and unite with USA !

 

[petros]

Nostradumbass was just a brandy soaked schizophrenic Nancy and somebody scored his hand written psychobabble at a loonie asylum garage sale and next thing ya know a party gag about the future insight of some wise mystic got out of hand kinda like Amityville Horror.

 

[hunboldt]

:lol:

Nostradumbass was just a brandy soaked schizophrenic Nancy and somebody scored his hand written psychobabble at a loonie asylum garage sale and next thing ya know a party gag about the future insight of some wise mystic got out of hand kinda like Amityville Horror.

:lol:


Now THAT was funny!~ Good money in fast books abut Nostro and the 'next popes', Petros.:lol:

 

[Omicron]

Op-ed from the Washington Post. Lots of blather. Here's the key paragraph. . .


The United States should be using its own resources to determine, as quickly as possible, whether the opposition’s reports of large-scale use of gas against civilians are accurate. If they are, Mr. Obama should deliver on his vow not to tolerate such crimes — by ordering direct U.S. retaliation against the Syrian military forces responsible and by adopting a plan to protect civilians in southern Syria with a no-fly zone.

Syrian attack should prompt U.S. investigation into chemical weapons - The Washington Post


Question: Why should the U.S. act? What business is it of ours? And let's say we do act, and our actions prove to be the deciding factor in the Syrian civil war. What then? What assurances do we have that the subsequent government will be democratic or respect our notions of human rights (such as they are)?

Well, I think it's boiling down to the fundamental issue of whether or not toxic-gasses should be tolerated in war.

Originaly, after WW-I, it was agreed upon because the enemy using it discovered winds could change direction... but it's a tad bizarre how international agreements on war happen, because, the whole point of war is that all civilized forms of negotiation have broken down, therefore why *not* do whatever dirty thing works, because... it's war.

The weird thing about Syria is that Uncle Sam has no meaningfull vested interests there. For Uncle Sam to strike there litteraly means hitting a target that will not affect his foriegn investements at all. It really would be a humanitarian jesture if done right, because they have *nothing* to gain by doing it... except...

... Oh, well, except for how it will enable testing of zero-troop robot attacks. The shareholders of the military-industrial complex should be able to relax with that. Russia's already said they will just help Syria rebuild everything destroyed. What's Russia getting out of it... knowledge of how to build more cruise-missile resistant facilities, with Syria and the Assads standing as puppets inbeteen like how Korea and Vietnam enabled Russia to build some of the best d*mn fighter-jets?

*Sigh*... believe it or not, I'm going to believe Congress is going to agree. Remember, they get zero protection of interests there. They have no interests there. They have *zero* lobbiests telling them to go for it, except maybe for the tomahawk and drone manufacturers wanting to see if their stuff actually works.

It means Uncle Sam is actually going to have to stand up and say something on a principal level. It means Uncle Sam is going to have to stand up and say something along the lines of, "Yeah our democratic lobbyized free-market economy licences freedom to Halliburtonites to hijack governments because we don't do what everyone else does which is give members of state an operating budget, but in this case there really is something wrong. There really is a mafia family-ruled nation breaking every principal of civility on the books, and we really might have to break UN convention to do something about it, only in this case it's not breaking UN convention like W did... in this case it's really to do for the first time something Uncle Sam hasn't done in a long time since WW-II, which is say, "We get nothing for this, but if you use chemical weapons again I am going to destroy all of your family homes and palaces, and all we're getting out of it is excercise of our technology."

 

[hunboldt]

Huh, yeah maybe so if it were not for the 9,000 troops moved into Syria by Russia and China, not to mention tanks, arms and a few ships from Russia currently, China is sending 2 war ships..

They will have the US ships pegged between Syria and their ships..

Hope those cruise missiles don't hit Russian and Chineese troops..

Russia sends ‘tens of thousands’ of troops to Syria | The Sun |News|Politics

Iran Sends 4,000 Troops To Aid Syria's Assad | Zero Hedge

WW3 Russia,China, Iran Send 90000 Troops to Syria - 12 Warships - YouTube

WWIII bring it on... population control ..

I think the USA (Obama War Machine) is about to get its knuckles rapped, and Russia, China, Iran and Syria will draw a red line in the sand for the USA..

IMHO< if the RC& I want to be involved in another of their crazy 1970's style safaris, - bring it. The Old soviet union sunk resources into third world conflicts under Brezhnev that they couldn't afford. Remember Communist Somalia? the Afghan 'Communist state'?

Assad is sitting pretty quiet right now, the Saudis are pumping arms into the rebel ranks, and the USA hasn't fired a shot. So far so good..

Now get out of the 'Ghan . Let the Chinese Mining interests sort THAT one out in the future....

Torro Torro

Ole, amigo ..

 

[BaalsTears]

Obama's Red Line in the sand will be a trail of American blood.