The Syria Thread: Everything you wanted to know or say about it

Merge the Syria Threads

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 66.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • Yes

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Total voters
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hunboldt

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Obama's Red Line in the sand will be a trail of American blood.

I would say its - mixed. He hasn't extricated his country form the 'Ghan surge' of 2010, but American losses are at approx. 100 troops per year, ( and 500 wounded), are lower than the peak in 2010 by a factor of four.
the rest of his GWOT has been pretty blood free. Drone warfare casualties are rather one sided.

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Just glad to see you finally have a bit-err girl - err 'Special friend', Smack.


Better send her to cosmology school ......
 

coldstream

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Re: British Parliament votes against British military involvement in Syria

Britain has stepped through the looking glass into a weird and distorting new world, and one from which I fear she will never step back. By refusing to punish a foreign dictator for his despicable use of poison gas on unarmed civilians, we have deliberately relinquished our once-cherished role as one of the world’s foremost moral policemen, and joined the ranks of global spectators, merely tut-tutting from the sidelines rather than taking an active part in defending decency.

gufffaww.. good grief.. like the Indian Mutiny.. the Opium Wars in China.. the African Slave Trade to the Carribean. In fact when it comes to Trade.. be it in gemstones, gold, opium, oil.. or people.. Britain's role as 'moral' policeman has a distinctly commercial taint.. in support of British trading interests... to this day.

I think it's more than likely that this poison gas.. chemical weapons.. were used by rebel forces.. the ONLY ones who had anything to gain by the deliberate attack on a non combatant civilian targets. If anything the Syrian Army has been soley targetted on armed rebel forces, which are inundated with militant Islamic elements, and have increasingly turned the tide of the Civil War to the Assad side. The absolute last thing it needed now was armed intervention by the West.. that would only help the rebels.

What makes sense here.. who has the most to gain.
 

hunboldt

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In my opinion, Goober- only if Assad makes 'one more false step'. I expect to see his ' Chinlessness' exiled by a 'less evil Baath' and his soon to be ex wife sunning herself at St Tropez.
\The French solution...

gufffaww.. good grief.. like the Indian Mutiny.. the Opium Wars in China.. the African Slave Trade to the Carribean. In fact when it comes to Trade.. be it in gemstones, gold, opium, oil.. or people.. Britain's role as 'moral' policeman has a distinctly commercial taint.. in support of British trading interests... to this day.

I think it's more than likely that this poison gas.. chemical weapons.. were used by rebel forces.. the ONLY ones who had anything to gain by the deliberate attack on a non combatant civilian targets. If anything the Syrian Army has been soley targetted on armed rebel forces, which are inundated with militant Islamic elements, and have increasingly turned the tide of the Civil War to the Assad side. The absolute last thing it needed now was armed intervention by the West.. that would only help the rebels.

What makes sense here.. who has the most to gain.

GOOOOOOd point...The slave trade was suppressed by partly moral grounds- and partly because high cotton and sugar prices expanded production in British India.:smile: and British controlled Egypt. and .....and....

Where rail networks were being planned ...and coolies were indentured under contract...
 

B00Mer

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IMHO< if the RC& I want to be involved in another of their crazy 1970's style safaris, - bring it. The Old soviet union sunk resources into third world conflicts under Brezhnev that they couldn't afford. Remember Communist Somalia? the Afghan 'Communist state'?

Russia is a Oil Rich country.. sorta like "Alberta."

It is flush with money for a long war, the USA isn't.. unless it's going to borrow more from the Bank of China to fight China??

Boom Time: Russia's Abundant Oil and Gas Reserves Are Powering up the Economy - Knowledge@Wharton



The USA on the other hand imports most of it's oil and is no where near being self sufficient..
 

Locutus

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5 questions about Syria you were too embarrassed to ask

1. Why are people in Syria killing each other?
2. There are protests in lots of places. How did it all go so wrong in Syria?
3. I hear a lot about how Russia still loves Syria, though. And Iran, too. What’s their deal?
4. Why would Obama bother with strikes no one expects to actually solve anything?
5. What’s the big deal with chemical weapons? Assad kills 100,000 people with bullets and bombs, but we’re freaked out over 1,000 who maybe died from poisonous gas?


let the star edumacate you here:


5 questions about Syria you were too embarrassed to ask | Toronto Star
 

BaalsTears

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I would say its - mixed. He hasn't extricated his country form the 'Ghan surge' of 2010, but American losses are at approx. 100 troops per year, ( and 500 wounded), are lower than the peak in 2010 by a factor of four.
the rest of his GWOT has been pretty blood free. Drone warfare casualties are rather one side.......

There are American soldiers who are alive at this very moment who are fated to die in vain by the continued presence in Afghanistan. Most Americans who have died in Afghanistan have met their fates while Obama has been president. He's responsible for their deaths. Obama sent them to their deaths.

The GWOT has failed. Al Qaeda is stronger today than it was in 2011 because it has survived the American onslaught and spread geographically.

Revenge for American drone attacks will be taken against the residents of New York City and Washington, DC.
 

B00Mer

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5 questions about Syria you were too embarrassed to ask

1. Why are people in Syria killing each other?
2. There are protests in lots of places. How did it all go so wrong in Syria?
3. I hear a lot about how Russia still loves Syria, though. And Iran, too. What’s their deal?
4. Why would Obama bother with strikes no one expects to actually solve anything?
5. What’s the big deal with chemical weapons? Assad kills 100,000 people with bullets and bombs, but we’re freaked out over 1,000 who maybe died from poisonous gas?


let the star edumacate you here:


5 questions about Syria you were too embarrassed to ask | Toronto Star

Interesting and insightful.

The are four big reasons Russia wants to protect Assad: 1. Russia has a naval installation in Syria, which is strategically important and their last foreign military base outside of the former Soviet Union; 2. Russia still has a bit of a Cold War mentality, which makes it care very much about maintaining one of its last military alliances; 3. Russia also hates the idea of “international intervention” against countries like Syria because it sees this as Cold War-style Western imperialism; 4. Syria buys a lot of Russian military exports and Russia needs the money.

So anyone hear if the vote is done yet.. or is it still droning on..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/09/02/where-the-votes-stand-on-syria/
 

Omicron

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I just got an idea...

It starts with how a lot of people in the west do not know what is causing malcontents in Syria to riot.

They are frustrated, underfed, mostly-refugee peasants stuck in nowhere-land, and they are using their Sunni/Shi'ite differences as an excuse to express frustration... sort of like how in northern Ireland Catholics and Protestants went at each other for no reason other than because they were all bored and poor.

In history, it's been demonstrated that when people are able to sustain themselves and their families at a reasonable standard of living, they don't care what each-other's faiths are. Take Grenada during the renaissance for example, or, oh wait, modern Canada.

Those rioters in Syria are frustrated refugees bored out of their brains. They need some stability for their families, and they need something to do, so...

What if Uncle Sam's action is that the next time the sectarians riot, instead of the Assads getting upset having their recreation interupted having to pull hamsters out of their butts to order a nerve-gas attack, the US flys in and drops *tranquilizing* gas to knock everyone out, followed by helicopters laying down pallats of food with instructions, such that when everyone comes to, they see the food, and read the instructions telling them they will continue to get the food if they get organized and build monuments on the scale of the pyramids, just for something to do.

To spice it up, tell them you want to see who can build the best giant mosque, Sunni or Shi'ite, and give them the building materials, which isn't a lot, really, given how much material it takes to build massive armies and airforces.

Just turn everything into a giant make-work project, resulting in historic, world-wonder monuments.

Egypt did it thousands of years ago to occupy bored farmers in their off-time during the nile flooding season. Let Arabs become known as the world's greatest monument builders.

The question will be, if you knock a rioting crowd out with harmless tranquilizing gas, will that still be classified as a violation of the international rules against gassing crowds. I think not, because we *do* use lacrimatories on rioters, because it's non-toxic, therefore why not something that just puts everyone to sleep.
 
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Zipperfish

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There are American soldiers who are alive at this very moment who are fated to die in vain by the continued presence in Afghanistan. Most Americans who have died in Afghanistan have met their fates while Obama has been president. He's responsible for their deaths. Obama sent them to their deaths.

The GWOT has failed. Al Qaeda is stronger today than it was in 2011 because it has survived the American onslaught and spread geographically.

Revenge for American drone attacks will be taken against the residents of New York City and Washington, DC.

The invasion of Afghanistan was started by Bush, was generally supported by the Republicans, Democrats, and had wide appeal among the populace. It was also supported by NATO (which includes Canada) and several other countries all of whom sent troops there, some of whom never came back.

Just FYI.
 

mikemac

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Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.
August 29, 2013
http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnes...supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.
Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.
The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”
However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.
“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.
Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”
Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.
Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.
“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”
“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.
A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.
“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.
Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.
The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.
More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.

Saudi involvement

In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.
Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.
“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.
“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.
“Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise,” Ingersoll wrote.
“Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy,” he added.
According to U.K.’s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandar’s intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.
The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was “serious” about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.
“They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn’t: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout,” it said.
Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabia’s top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.
To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan.
The newspaper reports that he met with the “uneasy Jordanians about such a base”:
His meetings in Amman with Jordan’s King Abdullah sometimes ran to eight hours in a single sitting. “The king would joke: ‘Oh, Bandar’s coming again? Let’s clear two days for the meeting,’ ” said a person familiar with the meetings.
Jordan’s financial dependence on Saudi Arabia may have given the Saudis strong leverage. An operations center in Jordan started going online in the summer of 2012, including an airstrip and warehouses for arms. Saudi-procured AK-47s and ammunition arrived, WSJ reported, citing Arab officials.
Although Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that “funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.”
But rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as “al-Habib” or ‘the lover’ by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.
Peter Oborne, writing in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday, has issued a word of caution about Washington’s rush to punish the Assad regime with so-called ‘limited’ strikes not meant to overthrow the Syrian leader but diminish his capacity to use chemical weapons:
Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them.
It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.


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These two pages are saying the same.

Breaking news: Rebels admit gas attack result of mishandling chemical weapons
August 30, 2013
http://www.examiner.com/article/bre...attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons

Rebels admit responsibility for chemical weapons attack
31/08/2013
http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2013/08/31/rebels-chemical-attack/


Related news regarding Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan

REPORT: The Saudis Offered Mafia-Style 'Protection' Against Terrorist Attacks At Sochi Olympics
Aug. 27, 2013
http://www.businessinsider.com/saudis-russia-sochi-olympics-terrorism-syria-2013-8


The terrorist rebels in Syria and the Saudis should be punished for the use of chemical weapons. Not the Assad government.

I find it disgraceful that the western media, including CBC has not picked up on these stories yet.

 

hunboldt

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Re: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.
August 29, 2013
EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.
Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.
The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”
However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.
“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.
Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”
Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.
Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.
“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”
“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.
A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.
“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.
Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.
The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.
More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.

Saudi involvement

In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.
Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.
“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.
“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.
“Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise,” Ingersoll wrote.
“Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy,” he added.
According to U.K.’s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandar’s intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.
The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was “serious” about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.
“They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn’t: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout,” it said.
Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabia’s top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.
To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan.
The newspaper reports that he met with the “uneasy Jordanians about such a base”:
His meetings in Amman with Jordan’s King Abdullah sometimes ran to eight hours in a single sitting. “The king would joke: ‘Oh, Bandar’s coming again? Let’s clear two days for the meeting,’ ” said a person familiar with the meetings.

Jordan’s financial dependence on Saudi Arabia may have given the Saudis strong leverage. An operations center in Jordan started going online in the summer of 2012, including an airstrip and warehouses for arms. Saudi-procured AK-47s and ammunition arrived, WSJ reported, citing Arab officials.
Although Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that “funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.”
But rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as “al-Habib” or ‘the lover’ by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.
Peter Oborne, writing in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday, has issued a word of caution about Washington’s rush to punish the Assad regime with so-called ‘limited’ strikes not meant to overthrow the Syrian leader but diminish his capacity to use chemical weapons:
Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them.
It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.


---------------------------------------------


These two pages are saying the same.

Breaking news: Rebels admit gas attack result of mishandling chemical weapons
August 30, 2013
Breaking news: Rebels admit gas attack result of mishandling chemical weapons - Dothan Christianity | Examiner.com

Rebels admit responsibility for chemical weapons attack
31/08/2013
Rebels admit responsibility for chemical weapons attack - Society - Panorama | Armenian news


Related news regarding Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan

REPORT: The Saudis Offered Mafia-Style 'Protection' Against Terrorist Attacks At Sochi Olympics
Aug. 27, 2013
Saudis Offer Russia 'Protection' In Sochi - Business Insider


The terrorist rebels in Syria and the Saudis should be punished for the use of chemical weapons. Not the Assad government.

I find it disgraceful that the western media, including CBC has not picked up on these stories yet.

.....

Guess they got tired of mixing Javex and Toilet bowl cleaner