The Syria Thread: Everything you wanted to know or say about it

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Tecumsehsbones

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

I think my post said you were correct--the nation state of Canada did not exist, as you said. But Canada was invaded, and the Candians that lived here were instrumental in repulsing the Americans, something that Canadians are still very good at.
And Hawaii was attacked in 1941. Hawaii didn't go to war with the Japanese. The United States did.

K, I've proved my point. If you want to post examples of sub-national, subordinate jurisdictions going to war, I'll read them with great interest.
 

Zipperfish

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

And Hawaii was attacked in 1941. Hawaii didn't go to war with the Japanese. The United States did.

K, I've proved my point. If you want to post examples of sub-national, subordinate jurisdictions going to war, I'll read them with great interest.

You have no point to prove. I already said the nation of Canada was not invaded. The place called Canada was.

To the people that lived here at the time, the distinction was probably not that important. One of the good things about the War of 1812--besides its ability to make Americans get tomato-faced at its mere mention--is that it was quite instrumental in creating the Nation of Canada in 1867. Which is why it is a big part of Canadian history, even though Canada wasn't a nation at the time.
 

Goober

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

For those that are for and those that are against attacking Syria, did you have the same opinion when Saddam was massacring Kurds?

An honest reply would be appreciated.

Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When our "friend" Saddam was gassing the Kurds - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Whatever Happened To The Iraqi Kurds? (Human Rights Watch Report, March 11, 1991)

This was an open question to all members. Reading this over I could see how some may have thought it was directed firstly at 1 member. It was not.
 

Locutus

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

So much p e n i s fencing over sh!t the average person doesn't care about. Its like the speling and grammaring nazis' . We haven't care.

Here's an example eh... it is commonly referred to as the Korean War for a reason. We all know what a war looks like. Try your police action/conflict spiel on most and they'll slap the precociousness off yer gob. Take the needle out of your a r s e and loosen-up friends. It's not that important.
 

Goober

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Re: "The U.S. Should Act"


Now that is a surprise.

Why should it act? Is there a new weapon the pentagon wants to test?

Watta crock. The western countries fall for another ploy of the US. The fact is the chemicals released had
a hundred times less effect than the drone colateral damages caused.

Besides, Syria has the right to have nuclear energy. The ones that are scared are the ones who played "kick sand in my my face when I was weak", such as Israel.

Cmon folks, can't you see the muscle flexing.

God help us if not all access to the US is plugged, and one day it won't be possible to block all cracks in this dam that is about to burst.

The only guy in the US who makes sense today is Carter
Carter- Was he the guy attacked by the killer rabbit?
 

EagleSmack

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

To the people that lived here at the time, the distinction was probably not that important. One of the good things about the War of 1812--besides its ability to make Americans get tomato-faced at its mere mention--is that it was quite instrumental in creating the Nation of Canada in 1867. Which is why it is a big part of Canadian history, even though Canada wasn't a nation at the time.

How could Canadians possibly make us tomato faced when the War of 1812 is mentioned?

I think my post said you were correct--the nation state of Canada did not exist, as you said. But Canada was invaded, and the Candians that lived here were instrumental in repulsing the Americans, something that Canadians are still very good at.

And the British invasions of the US were all repulsed as well.
 

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Tecumsehsbones

Op-ed from the Washington Post. Lots of blather. Here's the key paragraph. . .

The United States should be using its own resources to determine, as quickly as possible, whether the opposition’s reports of large-scale use of gas against civilians are accurate. If they are, Mr. Obama should deliver on his vow not to tolerate such crimes — by ordering direct U.S. retaliation against the Syrian military forces responsible and by adopting a plan to protect civilians in southern Syria with a no-fly zone.


The US has plenty of satellite photos of that war zone which can readily be used to ascertain whether Assad's troops launched chemical rockets into civilian zones. No photos have ben produced or presented to Congress or the UN. Therefore, the warmongering jackals in the Washington Post (the same jackanapes who said there was incontrovertible proof of WMD in Iraq under Saddam) need to shut their war profit seeking traps.

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Bill Clinton ignored the UN when he attacked Serbia.



Do we need to go through this again?

We discussed this about a dozen times = the attack on Serbia was a NATO operation, not UN.

Learn something already, will you?
 

gopher

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

coldstream; said:
I remember some of that 'proof'.. in the Iraq War. I remember Colin Powell at the UN touting the presence of 'mobile chemical labs' on trucks.. complete with pictures of these trucks with cylinders and gizmos on the back. They turned out to be hydrogen tanks, used to fill weather balloons.

I also remember that mantra "don't let a smoking gun become a mushroom cloud" ad nauseum.. when they knew Saddam had NO nuclear capability. I can't watch George W. Bush or Colin Powell or Condaleeza Rice now without thinking.. you liars.. you stinkers.. you wimps.. sabre rattling with other people's lives.

There's no doubt an attack is imminent. Obama has decided he needs no legislative approval .. although it is clearly stated in the Constitution that an act of war, as this would be, must be Declared by Congress.

He's also come up with the bizarre statement that this is a purely a punitive and exemplary act and not intended to determine the outcome of the conflict. That's ludicrous.. the only reason to conduct war is to impose a strategic political outcome. You only have to look at Iraq to realize how simplistic, short sighted and tunnel visioned that this conception can be.. as the country has devolved into chaos and U.S. has abandoned it.

The first casuality of the war is the Truth.. nothing is a better example than this.. as the Obama administration desperately tries to turn the tide of the Civil War to the rebels favour... now that they are decicively on the retreat and victory for the Assad regime appears inevitable... without Western intervention. I wonder what kind of convoluted deception and hyperbole they'll come up with this time.

You already see the generous use of outrage and pity.. especially with the images of afflicted children.. with an implicit assumption.. BUT no proof.. and no logic.. to indict with any confidence the Assad regime

And British Prime Minister David Cameron seems to be playing the role of devoted POODLE to Obama.. just as Thatcher with Bush Sr. and Blair did with Bush Jr.



And the Downing Street Memo clearly showed Bush and his poodle Tony B_liar had the war all planned out before Powell's speech. As Powell said later, it was the lowest point in his career.
 

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

What this gas attack in Syria is all about is another WMD BS ploy to get the west into another conflict by the military/industrial complex. Believe this crap at your own peril, or more correctly, your children's peril. Chest beating and pecker waving at its finest.
 

Cliffy

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Re: "The U.S. Should Act"

Act? The US is a bad actor. They keep playing this same worn out script for the past 200 years. "We have to go bomb the crap out of (insert country de jour) because we have a moral obligation. And the sheeple keep buying it hook, line and sinker. Why change a winning scenario when the majority keep falling for it? Bunch of brain dead pin heads.
 

JLM

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Re: "The U.S. Should Act"

Act? The US is a bad actor. They keep playing this same worn out script for the past 200 years. "We have to go bomb the crap out of (insert country de jour) because we have a moral obligation. And the sheeple keep buying it hook, line and sinker. Why change a winning scenario when the majority keep falling for it? Bunch of brain dead pin heads.

Maybe, but at some point you have to "draw a line in the sand" and personally I think when the bastards start using chemicals they're a mile past that line. They get away with this sh*t next thing you know we'll get a batch of it over here!
 

Cliffy

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Maybe, but at some point you have to "draw a line in the sand" and personally I think when the bastards start using chemicals they're a mile past that line. They get away with this sh*t next thing you know we'll get a batch of it over here!
Weapons of Mass Destruction! Its Iraq all over again. I don't believe a word of it. The boy has cried wolf many times too often and the media just print what they are told. Also, there is just as much evidence that the west backed rebels are the ones using gas. Not one of these BS wars has anything to do with helping anybody but the war mongers. It has always been about improving some pricks' bottom lines at the cost to civilians at both ends of the conflict. Follow the money.

"It was not immediately clear if Sarin was used by Bashar Al Assad and government forces (as claimed by France, the United States and the United Kingdom), aided by Hezbollah,[29] or whether it was used by rebel factions in the country aided by al-Qaeda as claimed by Russia" - wikipedia


 

petros

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

When the military half of the complex has done it's damage, what will the industrial half do and where will they do it?

The answer to that question is quite surprising.

You're right about the peril of children but very wrong about chest beating, pecker waving and whose children.

It's the last thing you'd expect and will confirm some of your beliefs with intense clarity and utterly destroy many others.

PM me if your interested. I know you're intelligent enough, lack the bias, and are emotionally capable of handling what is in store and I know you'll keep it to yourself while laughing in hysterics as the peons continue down their ridiculous path of ignorance completely oblivious to what is really going on.
 

JLM

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

What this gas attack in Syria is all about is another WMD BS ploy to get the west into another conflict by the military/industrial complex. Believe this crap at your own peril, or more correctly, your children's peril. Chest beating and pecker waving at its finest.

Perhaps the Kurds could give us a valid opinion on that sort of thing. As far as W.M.D.s are concerned I think they may be buried in Syria or maybe not so buried. There are some real bastards in that part of the world including Libya too.
 

petros

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

Perhaps the Kurds could give us a valid opinion on that sort of thing. As far as W.M.D.s are concerned I think they may be buried in Syria or maybe not so buried. There are some real bastards in that part of the world including Libya too.
Iraq's Sarin only had a shelf life of only a few weeks which makes the joke on those who fear the boogieman even funnier.

Sarin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Tecumsehsbones

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The same thing was said about Poland in 1938.
Difference is in 1938 we had the good sense to stay out of it. Then in 1941 we were attacked and Roosevelt set the precedent for Iraq by attacking countries that had nothing to do with the attack on the U.S.

Shoulda stomped Japan and let the Europeans settle their own domestic squabbles.