The Official "Lets bash Christians" thread...

[JLM]

I agree with everything you said, and I also was a devout
catholic as a child, even went to catholic school, and
like you when I was about 12 my brain began to sort all
of that 'stuff' out, so I walked away, I am a free thinker
and don't follow any guilt ridden religious laws, which do
exactly as you say they do. Good for you, and good for me.

Bingo- I can accept Christianity and I can even accept the Bible (I don't buy most of it in literal terms) but I can not abide these denominations and people who think that they have the God given right to subject people to their interpretations. I know there is a "God", as it's obvious the world and the inhabitants didn't just materialize mysteriously out of thin air.........there was obviously a plan. Beyond that I don't know what the score is. When it comes to religion people should just try to confine their beliefs to common sense. As for the Bible we know Jonah never spent three days inside a whale.........but maybe in his mind he did. That's my take on the situation. Screw Oral Roberts and Jimmy Swaggart. :smile::smile::smile:

 

[gerryh]

I agree with everything you said, and I also was a devout
catholic as a child, even went to catholic school, and
like you when I was about 12 my brain began to sort all
of that 'stuff' out, so I walked away, I am a free thinker
and don't follow any guilt ridden religious laws, which do
exactly as you say they do. Good for you, and good for me.

So, Catholics are NOT free thinkers? Those that believe in Christ and God are NOT free thinkers? Do I have that right?

 

[theconqueror]

So, Catholics are NOT free thinkers? Those that believe in Christ and God are NOT free thinkers? Do I have that right?

Hope we are: Catholic Definition

1. Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive: "The 100-odd pages of formulas and constants are surely the most catholic to be found" (Scientific American).
2. Including or concerning all humankind; universal:

I hold on to the part of; 'Universal' for my definition of Catholicism.

 

[Cliffy]

It is difficult for someone who thinks they have no belief system to understand how, someone who professes a belief in a dogmatic system, can think freely, at least in the realm of the divine. But in reality, we all have beliefs about life and the divine, even if it is the denial of it. It think most people are dogmatic about everything, but we do love our delusions about freedom.

 

[#juan]

By all means let's bash the Christians. If we think just a little, we would see that almost every major invention was made by a Christian. Scientific advances in the last five hundred years have virtually all been made by Christians. Hospitals are a Christian invention. The printing press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg, a Christian, in the fourteen hundreds. Christians are not perfect by any means but the world would be a lot poorer without them.

 

[CDNBear]

By all means let's bash the Christians. If we think just a little, we would see that almost every major invention was made by a Christian. Scientific advances in the last five hundred years have virtually all been made by Christians. Hospitals are a Christian invention. The printing press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg, a Christian, in the fourteen hundreds. Christians are not perfect by any means but the world would be a lot poorer without them.

I couldn't possibly agree more juan. Which is something a lot of people missed in the sarcastic nature of the OP.

I'll do you one better though juan. We owe our very way of life in North America to Christians.

 

[Cliffy]

I couldn't possibly agree more juan. Which is something a lot of people missed in the sarcastic nature of the OP.

I'll do you one better though juan. We owe our very way of life in North America to Christians.

Or we could blame it on them. It is all a matter of perspective.

 

[CDNBear]

Or we could blame it on them. It is all a matter of perspective.

I agree. But Cliffy, without going down the same old road on where I stand and why. I can easily accept the virtues of the state we live in, while harbouring some animosity. I just don't let it overshadow the facts at hand.

I live comfortably, I don't have to chace my food to feed my family. The world would have changed and we would have been years behind them. Inevitability is just that. At some point in time, the world would have found us and exploited the region.

We can wallow in the could have's, or look to make the best of what has.

 

[#juan]

I couldn't possibly agree more juan. Which is something a lot of people missed in the sarcastic nature of the OP.

I'll do you one better though juan. We owe our very way of life in North America to Christians.

That's true. The good along with the bad. The Christian charity along with the phony hypocrites that some certainly are.

 

[JLM]

By all means let's bash the Christians. If we think just a little, we would see that almost every major invention was made by a Christian. Scientific advances in the last five hundred years have virtually all been made by Christians. Hospitals are a Christian invention. The printing press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg, a Christian, in the fourteen hundreds. Christians are not perfect by any means but the world would be a lot poorer without them.

Bingo #Juan- Add to those all the desperate people including alcoholics, the depressed and distressed who have found life worth living and being productive at it through Christianity or at least the belief in Christianity. While I'm not a big believer in all aspects, I do think that people who continue to knock it with nothing good to say are probably obnoxious, arrogant and presumptuous to say the least. If you don't know you should keep your mouth shut.

 

[JLM]

Or we could blame it on them. It is all a matter of perspective.

You old cynic- hey Cliff, the sun is shining today and the birds are signing...............:lol::lol::lol:

 

[talloola]

So, Catholics are NOT free thinkers? Those that believe in Christ and God are NOT free thinkers? Do I have that right?

As long as your 'free' thinking follows the line of the
catholic church, unless you're a catholic only by name
and don't obey their rules.

 

[AnnaG]

I guess we can start with defamation of the church by calling the Catholic League.

Go ahead if you want to be that childish. And I will contact the cops and tell them I think you are impersonating CAF personel..

 

[talloola]

So, Catholics are NOT free thinkers? Those that believe in Christ and God are NOT free thinkers? Do I have that right?

you have the right to think any way you want, but under the
laws of the catholic church, you must tow the line, and
behave the way 'they' teach, that takes away your freedom
to say 'forget that' I will do and think 'my' way.

 

[AnnaG]

I'm always amazed at the amount of energy expended by self proclaimed atheist to convince everyone else that there is no God an in the same breath proclaim that atheism is not a religion:lol:
Hell ....they're worst than Jehovah witnesses.....they don't go door to door but do the equivalent in forum postings...
Methinks they doth protest too much

Funny. Since when is non-belief a belief? I don't believe in goblins, does that make me superstitious? Atheism is a religion like "off" is a tv channel.

 

[darkbeaver]

By all means let's bash the Christians. If we think just a little, we would see that almost every major invention was made by a Christian. Scientific advances in the last five hundred years have virtually all been made by Christians. Hospitals are a Christian invention. The printing press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg, a Christian, in the fourteen hundreds. Christians are not perfect by any means but the world would be a lot poorer without them.

Hospitals were common 3000 years before Christ. You cannot possibly believe that christians are responsible for "almost every major invention" I cannot say what the world would be without them but saner comes to mind long before poorer.

 

[AnnaG]

A question for both of you, seeing as we three had something trigger us to walk away...

What was the catalyst, the final straw so to speak. That is to say the nitty gritty of it, other then the "stuff" or the "nonsense"? Just out of curiousity.

Mine was based on two parts. 1, Even though my Grandfather was a devout Roman Catholic, he served up a healthy dose of traditional Native spirituality, medicine and healing. Simply put, I was drawn more to that then the RC. 2, I really was tired of the abuse and the well to defined feeling of being lessor then because I wasn't bleach white and French.

The trigger for me was that I had friends that weren't Christian. A Jewish boy across the road, a Japanese Taoist who taught me Tai Chi Chuan, his sister who is Japanese Buddhist, and 2 Muslim friends all from my childhood. I was just curious and then I started sorting stuff out, adding things up, rearranging things, and eventually come to the conclusion that if there are gods, they don't give a damn, so they are irrelevant to me and others can pray, worship, or whatever with their gods.
Um, that's besides the fact that the Catholic church Mum dragged me to every time some god hiccuped didn't have padded things to kneel on. Every chance I got I kneeled on the carpeted floor instead of those hardwood kneelers. Cruelty seems to be a staple in Catholicism.

 

[darkbeaver]

gun powder, pyramids, paper, pasta, paint, iron , bronze, ships, compasses, siege engines, wheels, pencils, buttons, harps, sex, kites, threads, screwdrivers, cannabis, maize, beans, domestic cattle, silk, brain surgery, dentistry, just a short list of non christian inventions

 

[AnnaG]

So, Catholics are NOT free thinkers? Those that believe in Christ and God are NOT free thinkers? Do I have that right?

Right. Religious people are tied to the dogma that their religion dictates. Everything is based upon the belief in a god or gods. Everything they think is in relation to their belief. Spiritual people, agnostics, and atheists, on the other hand, are not tied to dogma.

 

[coldstream]

Are you?

Faith is an assertion of belief, Anna, it does not dissolve doubt, it merely defines a set of axioms and proclaims a trust as to their Truth.

As far as whether i'm prepared to be wrong. What have i got to lose. If the agnostics are right the worst i can expect is some Cosmic Muffin of a deity, who does not judge or condemn anything.

If the atheists are right then we are nothing but accidental flickers of energy, who will return to incomprehension and nothingness of black space, from which we sprung, leaving no trace of our transient existence.

What do you have to lose if my side, affirming a cognizant, enabling, judgemental Creator is right?