The Official "Lets bash Christians" thread...

[AnnaG]

Hope we are: Catholic Definition

1. Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive: "The 100-odd pages of formulas and constants are surely the most catholic to be found" (Scientific American).
2. Including or concerning all humankind; universal:

I hold on to the part of; 'Universal' for my definition of Catholicism.

:roll: Did you write that definition? If not you should include the source, otherwise you are plagiarizing, and legally plagiarism is theft.
Besides, there is catholic and there is Catholic.

Catholic \Cath"o*lic\ (k[a^]th"[-o]*[i^]k), a. [L. catholicus, Gr. kaqoliko`s, universal, general; kata` down, wholly + "o`los whole, probably akin to E. solid: cf. F. catholique.]

1. Universal or general; as, the catholic faith. [1913 Webster]
Men of other countries [came] to bear their part in so great and catholic a war. --Southey. [1913 Webster]
Note: This epithet, which is applicable to the whole Christian church, or its faith, is claimed by Roman Catholics to belong especially to their church, and in popular usage is so limited. [1913 Webster]
2. Not narrow-minded, partial, or bigoted; liberal; as, catholic tastes. [1913 Webster]
3. Of or pertaining to, or affecting the Roman Catholics; as, the Catholic emancipation act. [1913 Webster]
Catholic epistles, the epistles of the apostles which are addressed to all the faithful, and not to a particular church; being those of James, Peter, Jude, and John. [1913 Webster]

The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

 

[AnnaG]

It is difficult for someone who thinks they have no belief system to understand how, someone who professes a belief in a dogmatic system, can think freely, at least in the realm of the divine. But in reality, we all have beliefs about life and the divine, even if it is the denial of it. It think most people are dogmatic about everything, but we do love our delusions about freedom.

Another one who thinks non-belief is a belief. sheeesh

 

[coldstream]

Catholic Church's characterization is religious, not secular or legal. It is accurate only to the other Catholics, not to anybody else. Evil is a religious concept, not secular concept

Splitting hairs. Our concept of Good and Evil, which defines our secular justice system and principles is founded in the West, on Christian morals. The reason the West is falling apart, economically, culturally, morally is that is has tried in the last 40 years to define a separate subjective morality.. that is becoming increasingly absurd and destructive.. as in the legitimization and celebration of such a grave disorder and pathology as homosexuality

The reason homosexuality is proscribed is prejudice against gays, hatred of homosexuals. it has nothing to do with sex abuse scandal. As studies reveal, most pedophiles are heterosexual, not homosexual.

In the Catholic priesthood PEDERASTY is almost exclusively homosexual in character.

Oh, plenty of evils exist in the eyes of the Church. Besides homosexuality, there is abortion, pornography, contraception, these are all evils in the eyes of the Church. The greatest evil of course (perhaps even bigger than homosexuality) is women trying to fight for equal rights with men.

I think i stated there are other evils. Virtually all a function of powerlust.. or Pride as the Church would describe it. It would probably define abortion, a holocaust that has claimed perhaps 100 million lives in the West in the last 40 years as the greatest evil.

As far as men and women go, the Church merely affirms there are intrinsic differences and gifts in both. If we ignore them with the construct that we are exactly the same... psychologically, physically, temperamentally, emotionally, vocationally.. it will in fact destroy the constructive relationship between men and women, and produce a chaotic, discordant and deeply neurotic culture. Which is exactly what we have seen, with the proliferation of divorce, promiscuity, homosexuality.. and the collapse of nuclear family.

It is popular culture that has invented an atagonistic rather than complimentary relationship between the sexes, not the Church.

There is the legend of Lilith, the predecessor of Eve. Lilith considered herself to be equal of Adam. For such audacity, God killed her and created Eve. That is the starting point of Catholicism. Committing suicide of course is the ultimate evil, it guarantees one a place in Hell.

My Bible starts at Eve. If you want to put your trust in fairy tales, that is your choice.

 

[AnnaG]

By all means let's bash the Christians. If we think just a little, we would see that almost every major invention was made by a Christian. Scientific advances in the last five hundred years have virtually all been made by Christians. Hospitals are a Christian invention. The printing press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg, a Christian, in the fourteen hundreds. Christians are not perfect by any means but the world would be a lot poorer without them.

lol So we would be stone-aged if it wasn't for Christianity? rofflmfao
Spoken and written language predates Christianity, as does music, the screw, fulcrum, wheel, compounding metals, etc.
The Chinese weren't Christian when they developed gunpowder. Native North Americans had soap before Christianity showed up. The first tools found predates Christianity by some 2 million years and they were used for cutting, digging, and pounding.

 

[CDNBear]

Splitting hairs. Our concept of Good and Evil, which defines our secular justice system and principles is founded in the West, on Christian morals. The reason the West is falling apart, economically, culturally, morally is that is has tried in the last 40 years to define a separate subjective morality.. that is becoming increasingly absurd and destructive.. as in the legitimization and celebration of such a grave disorder and pathology as homosexuality...

You had me right up yo that last line. Pity that.

 

[CDNBear]

lol So we would be stone-aged if it wasn't for Christianity? rofflmfao

Anna, that is not what he's saying, it is the same thing you and I argued over in the past. And we had a miscommunication thing going on.

 

[AnnaG]

Faith is an assertion of belief, Anna, it does not dissolve doubt, it merely defines a set of axioms and proclaims a trust as to their Truth.

*shrugs* The trouble with that is that people confuse that trust in the "truth" with fact.

As far as whether i'm prepared to be wrong. What have i got to lose. If the agnostics are right the worst i can expect is some Cosmic Muffin of a deity, who does not judge or condemn anything.

If there are gods and they don't give a hoot about anything human or Terran, you've a lot of time wasted on worshiping, praying, etc. for one thing.

If the atheists are right then we are nothing but accidental flickers of energy, who will return to incomprehension and nothingness of black space, from which we sprung, leaving no trace of our transient existence.

That's unlikely. Even our simplest compounds if broken down leave traces.

What do you have to lose if my side, affirming a cognizant, enabling, judgemental Creator is right?

Me? Nothing. I'm a good person and I think that if there is a just and benevolent creator, it would not condemn me simply because I thought it was indifferent to humans and everything else on Earth.
If this creator is as my hubby thinks it would be if it existed, then there's no rhyme nor reason in it and doom or salvation is arbitrary because this creator is psychotic and has a myriad of human traits, a good number of which are in the least, symptoms of ASPD.

 

[AnnaG]

Anna, that is not what he's saying, it is the same thing you and I argued over in the past. And we had a miscommunication thing going on.

You did see the "rofflmfao" part of my retort, didn't you? lol At any rate, people don't invent things because they are Christian. People invent things because they want to. lmao

 

[CDNBear]

You did see the "rofflmfao" part of my retort, didn't you? lol At any rate, people don't invent things because they are Christian. People invent things because they want to. lmao

I did, I hear ya, I'm outta here...lol

 

[#juan]

gun powder, pyramids, paper, pasta, paint, iron , bronze, ships, compasses, siege engines, wheels, pencils, buttons, harps, sex, kites, threads, screwdrivers, cannabis, maize, beans, domestic cattle, silk, brain surgery, dentistry, just a short list of non christian inventions

Admittedly gunpowder was invented by the Chinese. A pyramid is just a geometric shape and of no particular use except to bury dead royalty. Pasta and paper were probably invented by the Chinese. archeologists can't agree on who first smelted bronze or iron. Thank goodness we didn't need screwdrivers until we invented the screw. Sex as a means to procreate has been around since before man. I like to think I invented recreational sex with a young girl named Hester back in the fifties. Cannabis, beans, and maize are plants that invented themselves

 

[lone wolf]

Was there a reason we preferred the Arabic system over those oh-so-easy to use Roman numerals?

 

[gerryh]

you have the right to think any way you want, but under there
laws of the catholic church, you must tow the line, and
behave the way 'they' teach, that takes away your freedom
to say 'forget that' I will do and think 'my' way.

Talloola, you are under similar restrictions from the state, does that mean you are truly not a free thinker? The state has restrictions on behaviour, morality, speech, dress, etc. Do you follow the laws and codices of this country or do you you say "forget that"?

 

[DurkaDurka]

 

[talloola]

Splitting hairs. Our concept of Good and Evil, which defines our secular justice system and principles is founded in the West, on Christian morals. The reason the West is falling apart, economically, culturally, morally is that is has tried in the last 40 years to define a separate subjective morality.. that is becoming increasingly absurd and destructive.. as in the legitimization and celebration of such a grave disorder and pathology as homosexuality

you are fogetting something:

I, as an atheist have all of the morality and values, as the
church 'spouts off' as belonging to them, and it is a myth
that those who are not believers must be morally corrupt.

The church has many morally corrupt parishioners, who prance
around every week with in their sunday best, for all to see.

There are good and bad in all walks of life, has nothing to
with being an atheist or a believer.

 

[darkbeaver]

Admittedly gunpowder was invented by the Chinese. A pyramid is just a geometric shape and of no particular use except to bury dead royalty. Pasta and paper were probably invented by the Chinese. archeologists can't agree on who first smelted bronze or iron. Thank goodness we didn't need screwdrivers until we invented the screw. Sex as a means to procreate has been around since before man. I like to think I invented recreational sex with a young girl named Hester back in the fifties. Cannabis, beans, and maize are plants that invented themselves

All those plants are the result of very old science, the story about maize is particularly amazing as is cannabis. Sex as we know it today was invented by you and Hester. That sounds ok I don't think I'll dispute it.

 

[Outta here]

Talloola, you are under similar restrictions from the state, does that mean you are truly not a free thinker? The state has restrictions on behaviour, morality, speech, dress, etc. Do you follow the laws and codices of this country or do you you say "forget that"?

It's not really similar imo.

The church takes the responsibility for making choices regarding right and wrong behaviour right out of your hands and makes those decisions on your behalf. You then choose whether or not you will follow some, none or all of those decisions.
The state makes those choices for us with our permission granted to them to do so via democratic process. Once we've provided that permission, we are not at liberty to pick and choose at a later date whether or not we'll abide by those laws.

 

[talloola]

Talloola, you are under similar restrictions from the state, does that mean you are truly not a free thinker? The state has restrictions on behaviour, morality, speech, dress, etc. Do you follow the laws and codices of this country or do you you say "forget that"?

I am a law abiding citizen, nothing to do with obeying
church/religious laws, I have a choice there, and to freely
think outside of any religion is my choice.

I am referring to religion, I will 'never' be sucked into
that world again, as I was as a child, at the age of 12
I was no longer a child but someone who was looking at the
world around me, and noticing that I was a slave to all of
their rules, which were beginning to look absurd to me, my
thought process was definitely moving away from anyone
controlling my everyday life.

One is not 'free' to make all decisions without their
interference, as the church has laws, and if one is a true
catholic, and not masquerading as one, you must follow those
laws, if you think you must, I don't and won't.

 

[CDNBear]

I am a law abiding citizen, nothing to do with obeying
church/religious laws, I have a choice there, and to freely
think outside of any religion is my choice.

Really?

Canadian Law is the direct descendant of the Magna Carta, a construct of the Anglican Church, and the Nobles.

 

[AnnaG]

Here's a great Christian invention: it's the first computer (besides fingers and toes).

Just so happens that the Christians who invented it were polytheistic Sumerians around 2500 years before Christ was supposedly wandering around.

 

[AnnaG]

Really?

Canadian Law is the direct descendant of the Magna Carta, a construct of the Anglican Church, and the Nobles.

Based upon what? Would it be principles like honesty and respect? Yeah, there sure weren't those traits around before Christianity. lol