The islamic lie

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Harper says 'Islamicism' biggest threat to Canada
Prime minister says Conservatives will bring back controversial anti-terrorism laws

In an exclusive interview with CBC News, Prime Minister Stephen Harper says the biggest security threat to Canada a decade after 9/11 is Islamic terrorism.

In a wide-ranging interview with CBC chief correspondent Peter Mansbridge that will air in its entirety on The National Thursday night, Harper says Canada is safer than it was on Sept. 11, 2001, when al-Qaeda attacked the U.S., but that "the major threat is still Islamicism."

"There are other threats out there, but that is the one that I can tell you occupies the security apparatus most regularly in terms of actual terrorist threats," Harper said.

Harper cautioned that terrorist threats can "come out of the blue" from a different source, such as the recent Norway attacks, where a lone gunman who hated Muslims killed 77 people.

But Harper said terrorism by Islamic radicals is still the top threat, though a "diffuse" one. "When people think of Islamic terrorism, they think of Afghanistan, or maybe they think of some place in the Middle East, but the truth is that threat exists all over the world," he said, citing domestic terrorism in Nigeria.

The prime minister said home-grown Islamic radicals in Canada are "also something that we keep an eye on."

Tories to resurrect controversial anti-terrorism laws


Harper said his government will bring back anti-terrorism clauses that were brought in in 2001 but were sunset in 2007 amid heated political debate.

There were two clauses at the heart of the debate:

  • One allowed police to arrest suspects without a warrant and detain them for three days without charges if police believed a terrorist act may have been committed.
  • The other allowed a judge to compel a witness to testify in secret about past associations or perhaps pending acts under penalty of going to jail if the witness didn't comply.

Neither clause was used by police or prosecutors in the five years before they expired.
In October 2006, a parliamentary committee recommended extending the two provisions.

The Conservatives put forward a proposal to keep the measures in place for three more years, but the three opposition parties united to defeat the proposal in February 2007 by a 159-124 vote.

The rest of the legislation remained in force.

Harper says 'Islamicism' biggest threat to Canada
 

In Between Man

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No, I'm not denying that. But you might want to go back and follow what you said.

So, 3 major geographical areas, the ME, Africa and Asia, plus the odd attack in the West, this doesn't constitute the phrase "all over the world" in your opinion.

I'll gladly rephrase then: In several places around of the world Muslims are perpetrating violence against non-Muslims, far more than any other group causing persecution today.

This is more accurate, right?
 

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Shouldn't we be free to criticize any religion we want to?

*Resounding YES*

An intelligent critique of a religion I don't have a problem with. I'm not a big fan of religion anyways. However drawing cartoons of Muhammad, calling Muslims terrorists and claiming Islam is a death cult is devoid of any intellect and it's unequivocally false. It's generally rhetoric which is mainly spewed by racist tools.
 

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An intelligent critique of a religion I don't have a problem with. I'm not a big fan of religion anyways. However drawing cartoons of Muhammad, calling Muslims terrorists and claiming Islam is a death cult is devoid of any intellect and it's unequivocally false. It's generally rhetoric which is mainly spewed by racist tools.
But it sells fear and weapons.
 

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An intelligent critique of a religion I don't have a problem with. I'm not a big fan of religion anyways. However drawing cartoons of Muhammad, calling Muslims terrorists and claiming Islam is a death cult is devoid of any intellect and it's unequivocally false. It's generally rhetoric which is mainly spewed by racist tools.

DRAWING CARTOONS OF MUHAMMAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY GOSH, CRIME OF THE F'CKIN CENTURY!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE CONSTANT DEMONIZING OF JEWS BY MUSLIMS!!!

 

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An intelligent critique of a religion I don't have a problem with. I'm not a big fan of religion anyways. However drawing cartoons of Muhammad, calling Muslims terrorists and claiming Islam is a death cult is devoid of any intellect and it's unequivocally false. It's generally rhetoric which is mainly spewed by racist tools.

Its a cartoon. I would hope people would not base their opinion of a religion on a cartoon.

Not all cats are like Garfield.
Not all dogs are like Snoopy.
Not all bosses are like the pointy haired one in Dilbert.
 

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So, 3 major geographical areas, the ME, Africa and Asia, plus the odd attack in the West, this doesn't constitute the phrase "all over the world" in your opinion.

I'll gladly rephrase then: In several places around of the world Muslims are perpetrating violence against non-Muslims, far more than any other group causing persecution today.

This is more accurate, right?


You originally said 'everywhere', I said you that was incorrect. Now you've figured out how to say what you originally meant. That's a big improvement.
 

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You originally said 'everywhere', I said you that was incorrect. Now you've figured out how to say what you originally meant. That's a big improvement.

I figured something out! Christians aren't brainless after all! It's a good thing I have you to help me in these matters TenPenny! :)
 
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An intelligent critique of a religion I don't have a problem with. I'm not a big fan of religion anyways. However drawing cartoons of Muhammad, calling Muslims terrorists and claiming Islam is a death cult is devoid of any intellect and it's unequivocally false. It's generally rhetoric which is mainly spewed by racist tools.

How is drawing a cartoon of Mohammed......I assume you have seen the cartoons......."devoid of any intellect and unequivocally false"??? In fact, the cartoons were neither. Beyond that, western culture demands free expression, and the widespread Muslim reaction to the cartoons, which was riot, murder, and physical and legal intimidation demanded a response.

That response SHOULD have been a movement in the west to print the cartoons on the cover of every publication in existence. But only Ezra Levant, in Canada, had the cojones.

As for calling Muslims terrorists.....certainly only a tiny minority of Muslims are terrorists. Unfortunately, a much larger minority of Muslims support terror........even in Canada. But don't take my word for it. Ask Mubin Shaikh.

As of today......17,710 terror attacks by Muslims since Sept. 11, 2001.

Hmmmmmm.......

Many of those are suicide attacks.

Mohammed was a pedophile war monger. The vast, vast majority of terror attacks on earth are carried out by Muslims.

A large percentage of those are suicide attacks.

RADICAL, FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM IS A TERRORIST DEATH CULT.

Those are the facts, and sticking your head in the sand will not change that.

BTW, the greenie I gave you on this post, unlike the rest, was done by mistake.......in case you hadn't guessed.
 
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I'm sure that Muslims view the attack on their countries by Western forces as terrorist attacks, going back a hundred years or more. How many innocent people have died at the hands of Western military forces over that period of time? How many died because the West killed their elected leaders and replaced them with brutal dictatorships?
 

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How is drawing a cartoon of Mohammed......I assume you have seen the cartoons......."devoid of any intellect and unequivocally false"??? In fact, the cartoons were neither. Beyond that, western culture demands free expression, and the widespread Muslim reaction to the cartoons, which was riot, murder, and physical and legal intimidation demanded a response.

That response SHOULD have been a movement in the west to print the cartoons on the cover of every publication in existence. But only Ezra Levant, in Canada, had the cojones.

As for calling Muslims terrorists.....certainly only a tiny minority of Muslims are terrorists. Unfortunately, a much larger minority of Muslims support terror........even in Canada. But don't take my word for it. Ask Mubin Shaikh.

As of today......17,710 terror attacks by Muslims since Sept. 11, 2001.

Hmmmmmm.......

Many of those are suicide attacks.

Mohammed was a pedophile war monger. The vast, vast majority of terror attacks on earth are carried out by Muslims.

A large percentage of those are suicide attacks.

RADICAL, FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM IS A TERRORIST DEATH CULT.

Those are the facts, and sticking your head in the sand will not change that.

BTW, the greenie I gave you on this post, unlike the rest, was done by mistake.......in case you hadn't guessed.





Take your medication.


I don't care about suicide attack statistics, it's not relevant to religion. Suicide attacks are entirely politically motivated. Their religious beliefs just help them get them through the act (deluding themselves into thinking they'll be going to Paradise afterwards). Sometimes strong religious beliefs aren't even necessary (Japanese kamikaze pilots)
But make no mistake, it's not their religion driving them to commit suicide attacks, it's the political situation as the driving factor.
 

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I don't care about suicide attack statistics, it's not relevant to religion. Suicide attacks are entirely politically motivated. Their religious beliefs just help them get them through the act (deluding themselves into thinking they'll be going to Paradise afterwards). Sometimes strong religious beliefs aren't even necessary (Japanese kamikaze pilots)
But make no mistake, it's not their religion driving them to commit suicide attacks, it's the political situation as the driving factor.

Bushido is not derived from religion?

Jihad and martyrdom is not religious based?
 

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And they yell out allahu akbar for sh*ts and giggles?????

How true! Each and every time it seems.

One of the funniest clips I've seen was a fighter using a mortar tube and said alahu akbar after he dropped each round down the tube. On the third one, the round went off inside the tube blowing himself up.
 

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I don't care about suicide attack statistics, it's not relevant to religion. Suicide attacks are entirely politically motivated. Their religious beliefs just help them get them through the act (deluding themselves into thinking they'll be going to Paradise afterwards). Sometimes strong religious beliefs aren't even necessary (Japanese kamikaze pilots)
But make no mistake, it's not their religion driving them to commit suicide attacks, it's the political situation as the driving factor.

You are correct that suicide attacks are often politically motivated......and I would even bend enough to put all the attacks on Israel in that category........

Which changes not one iota the USE of Islam by its imams and leaders as a tool to encourage murder by suicide.....which are commonly known as "martyrdom operations".

Islam is a death cult.

As well, much of the murder by suicide are Muslim on Muslim.....Shia vs Sunni vs obscure Muslim cult vs Christian.

They are religious to the core.
 

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How true! Each and every time it seems.

One of the funniest clips I've seen was a fighter using a mortar tube and said alahu akbar after he dropped each round down the tube. On the third one, the round went off inside the tube blowing himself up.

I have to wonder at the intelligence level of some of these terrorists, really. I was watching a 911 doc the other day which explained that the first two recruits Osama sent over for flight training couldn't even get off the ground and had to go back to Afghanistan. They were totally unable to grasp the fundamentals of flying a small plane. Apparently, this failure really 'surprised' the powers that be in al-Qaeda.

http://www.henryjacksonsociety.org/henryjacksonsociety/hjsuserfiles/image/Al-Qaeda on the Ropes.gif
 

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I have to wonder at the intelligence level of some of these terrorists, really. I was watching a 911 doc the other day which explained that the first two recruits Osama sent over for flight training couldn't even get off the ground and had to go back to Afghanistan. They were totally unable to grasp the fundamentals of flying a small plane. Apparently, this failure really 'surprised' the powers that be in al-Qaeda.

http://www.henryjacksonsociety.org/henryjacksonsociety/hjsuserfiles/image/Al-Qaeda on the Ropes.gif



Yeah.

Unfortunately, it DOES seem to make other Arabs sympathetic to the cause........

Perhaps wearing the headgear too tight is far too common.........but I personally believe it comes from being struck in the head too many times with the Koran.
 

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Everyone knows CDNBORE and DASLEEPER are worthless posters here. Their trolling shouldn't be tolerated.

Everyone?????????? Uh, not quite, Abby. I suppose you realize that you are simply adding more members to the Bear and Sleeper fan club with your continuous diatribes? No? Ah shucks, I just let the cat out of the bag then. ;-)



Yeah.

Unfortunately, it DOES seem to make other Arabs sympathetic to the cause........

Perhaps wearing the headgear too tight is far too common.........but I personally believe it comes from being struck in the head too many times with the Koran.
Thanks for posting the cartoon, Colpy........takes me way too long.

It does seem to find sympathy among other Arabs, you're right about that but I can't help but wonder how much hidden harm it might be doing to their 'cause'. These groups are not known for taking criticism lightly so I can see how being seen to offer support would be the 'only' option. Are the recruits indeed recruits or are they pressed into service and 'hit on the head' with the Koran thereafter?

I realize that there is a real and present threat posed by terrorists and yes I am more worried about terrorism than I was before 911. However, after watching what is happening in the Middle East right now; watching people rise up against repressive governments and fighting for more - dare I say, Western freedoms - does give me some hope that the militant fanatics who wish to see all of us Westerners dead, may in the end be done in by the harm they have wrought to their own.