The islamic lie

[CDNBear]

Interesting. I wonder how many more here would agree with that?

Not nearly as many as there should be.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Interesting. I wonder how many more here would agree with that?

Silence speaks volumes.

 

[lone wolf]

I think there's a line that gets crossed when half-truths and guesstimation starts hurting people.

 

[EagleSmack]

Never heard of eassansir until recently, but judging by what he has written I sorta expected him to post something like that sooner or later. This is why we should never, ever, bend to the will of others simply out of fear.

You should be able to draw, say or write what you want without fear of threat from any group as long it is within the law. .

I agree with that. I doubt the pig sticker would though.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I think there's a line that gets crossed when half-truths and guesstimation starts hurting people.

Is that so? What is the line you refer to?

 

[DaSleeper]

I agree with that. I doubt the pig sticker would though.

What was the question again???:lol:

agreed!

 

[gerryh]

Not nearly as many as there should be.

Silence speaks volumes.

I would say it depends on who it is and what is being written and said. There are people on here that defended the living hell out of people having the "right" to post and publish the Mohamed cartoons, but did everything they could to get rid of jbee and, in the past, have my ass banned.

 

[lone wolf]

Is that so? What is the line you refer to?

when half-truths and guesstimation starts hurting people

Do you look for a bar fight in everything?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I would say it depends on who it is and what is being written and said. There are people on here that defended the living hell out of people having the "right" to post and publish the Mohamed cartoons, but did everything they could to get rid of jbee and, in the past, have my ass banned.

Is JBee banned?

 

[CDNBear]

I think there's a line that gets crossed when half-truths and guesstimation starts hurting people.

You mean like Cannuck's outright lie that put a CEO and his company's reputation in jeopardy?

I would say it depends on who it is and what is being written and said. There are people on here that defended the living hell out of people having the "right" to post and publish the Mohamed cartoons, but did everything they could to get rid of jbee and, in the past, have my ass banned.

Well that counts me out. I went after JLM for days over that backroom deal to get you banned, and I defended Jbeee on numerous occasions.

Do you look for a bar fight in everything?

I think he was looking for an example bud.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

when half-truths and guesstimation starts hurting people

Do you look for a bar fight in everything?

I'm not looking for a bar fight. I just don't understand your position. Are you defending the threat of violence to quell unpopular speech. If so where is the line?

 

[Colpy]

The Christian view starts with Jesus Christ Himself. He is the prototype for all martyrs in Christianity. Though by all the evidence He could have fled or avoided death, even perhaps led a mass movement against the Romans, He allowed Himself to be arrested, tried illegally, and killed by them by crucifixion.

Interesting reading, indeed:

http://www.spotlights.org/images/Martyrdom.pdf

An argument I've made before:

Any person claiming to be Christian and engaging in mass murder in the name of their religion is obviously NOT following the example of the primary inspiration of that religion (Jesus) and is defying every basic principle laid out in the New Testament..........

Any person claiming to be Muslim and engaging in mass murder is, unfortunately, closely following the example of Mohammed, and is simply engaged in Jihad against the unbeliever, as instructed by the Koran.

So there can be no Christian terrorist, as the act itself belies their Christianity.

Not so for Muslims......

 

[lone wolf]

I'm not looking for a bar fight. I just don't understand your position. Are you defending the threat of violence to quell unpopular speech. If so where is the line?

Violence caused by unpopular (or even popular) speech, lies, half-truths, propaganda - whatever you want to call it - in the disguise of free speech isn't just and honest in my bit in the world.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Violence caused by unpopular (or even popular) speech, lies, half-truths, propaganda - whatever you want to call it - in the disguise of free speech isn't just and honest in my bit in the world.

Wow, what a political sidestep. LOL

So where do you stand on the violence again?

 

[CDNBear]

Violence caused by unpopular (or even popular) speech, lies, half-truths, propaganda - whatever you want to call it - in the disguise of free speech isn't just and honest in my bit in the world.

That's why we have a criminal charge called, "Incite to riot", or, "Incite violence".

I once felt the way you do, but after a many hours long phone conversation with ITN, I changed my mind.

Because we need the people that run on half truths, lies, propaganda, and whatever you want. Out in the open.

We need to see them in the light, and be able to address them in public. Where their audience gets a chance to see or hear the other side.

If we drive them underground, we lose that option and ability. Giving them the upper hand. They have an unchallenged venue, where their rhetoric is allowed to ferment, grow and become a dangerous and malignant wound.

 

[gerryh]

is allowed to ferment, grow and become a dangerous and malignant wound.

ewwwwwwww....gross.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

That's why we have a criminal charge called, "Incite to riot", or, "Incite violence".

I once felt the way you do, but after a many hours long phone conversation with ITN, I changed my mind.

Because we need the people that run on half truths, lies, propaganda, and whatever you want. Out in the open.

We need to see them in the light, and be able to address them in public. Where their audience gets a chance to see or hear the other side.

If we drive them underground, we lose that option and ability. Giving them the upper hand. They have an unchallenged venue, where their rhetoric is allowed to ferment, grow and become a dangerous and malignant wound.

Thanks for defending me Bear. I hate doing meetings underground.:roll:

 

[CDNBear]

ewwwwwwww....gross.

Exactly!

Thanks for defending me Bear.

Always got your six.

I hate doing meetings underground.:roll:

It's not as bad as that leather gimp you hired to work the door.

 

[SLM]

I think there's a line that gets crossed when half-truths and guesstimation starts hurting people.

Violence caused by unpopular (or even popular) speech, lies, half-truths, propaganda - whatever you want to call it - in the disguise of free speech isn't just and honest in my bit in the world.

Have to disagree, I don't think we should ever draw that line. Instead I belive we need to confront the lies, the half-truths, and the propaganda head on, in the harsh light of day. Hold people accountable for what they say, challenge what they say and get the truth out there. It is not easy to do this, in fact sometimes I think it is so difficult it is damned near impossible. But it is the right thing to do.

The fault and blame for violence belongs only on those who commit violent acts. And they need to be held accountable for their actions.

Just my two cents.

 

[lone wolf]

Have to disagree, I don't think we should ever draw that line. Instead I belive we need to confront the lies, the half-truths, and the propaganda head on, in the harsh light of day. Hold people accountable for what they say, challenge what they say and get the truth out there. It is not easy to do this, in fact sometimes I think it is so difficult it is damned near impossible. But it is the right thing to do.

The fault and blame for violence belongs only on those who commit violent acts. And they need to be held accountable for their actions.

Just my two cents.

;-) I think we kinda just said the same things in different cycles....