The islamic lie

dumpthemonarchy

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To say Indians were as harsh on the land as modern peoples is simply not so. Their numbers are too low and they can leave large areas vacant for decades. They rely on very low productivity. There must have been hundreds of millions of salmon in BC on their runs a few hundred years ago before industry arrived. Aboriginals aren't that different from Arabs who prefer a subsistence, pre-modern life chasing camels or buffalo. Romans left North Africa, and it hasn't bloomed since.

Right now, or before the rebellion, Libya imported most of its food. Not to mention importing thousands of workers to work there, much like other Arab countries. As long as they have oil they can relax and all be kings.
 

Cliffy

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From what I read they were hunted both in Eurasia and North America. They weren't hunted to extinction but the consensus is that hunting did contribute to it. The mammoth was already in stress due to many factors, hunting didn't help.

I guess the early Americans weren't as in tune with the environment and other living things as is popularly believed.
No they were not perfect but for me the proof is in the pudding. There were more specie in greater numbers and there were vast old growth forests here post 1492. Part of that was due to the decimation of the human population from European diseases where wildlife populations had close to a hundred years to multiply. That doesn't account for the vast old growth though. At present we have less than 5% of our old growth forest, multiple extinctions and vastly decimated populations. The indigenous population may not have been as some romantics would like us to believe but they did a hell of a better job than we have.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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No they were not perfect but for me the proof is in the pudding. There were more specie in greater numbers and there were vast old growth forests here post 1492. Part of that was due to the decimation of the human population from European diseases where wildlife populations had close to a hundred years to multiply. That doesn't account for the vast old growth though. At present we have less than 5% of our old growth forest, multiple extinctions and vastly decimated populations. The indigenous population may not have been as some romantics would like us to believe but they did a hell of a better job than we have.

Right, there were many animals who weren't even afraid of people here. There were bears on the west side of Vancouver in the 1940s. They thought building St Vincents hospital, in the middle of nowhere then, was a big mistake. Now there's nothing but million dollar homes around it.

Indians were not an ecological or environmental problem. They lived locally and polluted locally.
 

gerryh

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You call him Injun...I just call him chummy;-)


Actually, the correct term would be BFI. A fact that I am sure dumpy keeps at the back of his mind all the while praying that he never comes face to face with him....lol
 

Colpy

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**** off

That's what I love about you!

The brilliance of your repartee......stunning, really........lol.

And in such a worthy cause! The defense of a death cult that follow a pedophile war monger dead these last 1300 years......

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/c/6644A687FC212F81/30/Q5t9U9r9Kfs

Oh, and just to help you out a little on Islamic sexual mores as laid out by the Great Imam himself:

http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/1516/26

I mean, while you are conquering the world, butchering the "pigs and monkeys" (aka Jews), beating your wife, putting women in tents, raping nine year old girls, well........you might as well screw a sheep or two on the way. Just clean up properly afterwards.
 
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Colpy

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You didn't just seriously refer to Islam as a death cult....... :lol:

I did indeed.......

MARTYRDOM IN JIHAD

The Quran declares that "those who are slain in Allah's way" are not dead, but alive (3:169),[11] and this has often been interpreted to mean that any fighter who is killed in a jihad attains automatic salvation. Though most Muslims came to renounce holy war as an honorable pursuit, a characteristic of the early community and among extremists today is a zeal for fighting "in Allah's way" and attaining martyrdom.[12] While much of the Islamic theology of jihad predates Islam--Islam was born in a harsh, demanding environment where fighting was common--the theology of martyrdom and suffering as encapsulated in the Quran was a wholly new concept for the Arabs. Three distinct Quranic and hadith themes proved a powerful and volatile combination: the call to war, the call to martyrdom, and the martyr's reward. Some branches of Islam, such as the Khariji, declared participation in jihad to be one of the key requirements for all able-bodied male Muslims. Passages in the Quran explain that martyrdom in the cause of God is a means to enter paradise:
"Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance from their Lord. They rejoice in the Bounty provided by Allah...the (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve. They rejoice in the Grace and the Bounty from Allah, and in the fact that Allah suffereth not the reward of the Faithful to be lost (in the least)." (3:169-71)[13]
Dying for God: Islam
 

lone wolf

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So ... because extremists are nutbars all Islam must be a cult of death. Isn't that like saying because C is a hateful bitter man who longs for a war all Conservatives must be?
 

AbtFet

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I did indeed.......

MARTYRDOM IN JIHAD

The Quran declares that "those who are slain in Allah's way" are not dead, but alive (3:169),[11] and this has often been interpreted to mean that any fighter who is killed in a jihad attains automatic salvation. Though most Muslims came to renounce holy war as an honorable pursuit, a characteristic of the early community and among extremists today is a zeal for fighting "in Allah's way" and attaining martyrdom.[12] While much of the Islamic theology of jihad predates Islam--Islam was born in a harsh, demanding environment where fighting was common--the theology of martyrdom and suffering as encapsulated in the Quran was a wholly new concept for the Arabs. Three distinct Quranic and hadith themes proved a powerful and volatile combination: the call to war, the call to martyrdom, and the martyr's reward. Some branches of Islam, such as the Khariji, declared participation in jihad to be one of the key requirements for all able-bodied male Muslims. Passages in the Quran explain that martyrdom in the cause of God is a means to enter paradise:
"Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance from their Lord. They rejoice in the Bounty provided by Allah...the (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve. They rejoice in the Grace and the Bounty from Allah, and in the fact that Allah suffereth not the reward of the Faithful to be lost (in the least)." (3:169-71)[13]
Dying for God: Islam


This doesn't give any evidence that Islam is a death cult and in-fact contradicts that...

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Though most Muslims came to renounce holy war as an honorable pursuit,"


 

TenPenny

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The Christian view starts with Jesus Christ Himself. He is the prototype for all martyrs in Christianity. Though by all the evidence He could have fled or avoided death, even perhaps led a mass movement against the Romans, He allowed Himself to be arrested, tried illegally, and killed by them by crucifixion.

Interesting reading, indeed:

http://www.spotlights.org/images/Martyrdom.pdf
 

DaSleeper

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This doesn't give any evidence that Islam is a death cult and in-fact contradicts that...

"[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]Though most Muslims came to renounce holy war as an honorable pursuit,"




The rest of the sentence that you conveniently ignored...."a characteristic of the early community and among extremists today is a zeal for fighting "in Allah's way" and attaining martyrdom":roll:
 

EagleSmack

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The Christian view starts with Jesus Christ Himself. He is the prototype for all martyrs in Christianity. Though by all the evidence He could have fled or avoided death, even perhaps led a mass movement against the Romans, He allowed Himself to be arrested, tried illegally, and killed by them by crucifixion.

Interesting reading, indeed:

http://www.spotlights.org/images/Martyrdom.pdf

But He did not take out a few Roman soldiers in the process.