Came across these horrific pictures of the open air concentration camp that is Gaza. Send these people more aid now! This is worse than the Warsaw Ghetto! We need more Flotillas!!!
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The Flotilla....IDF Actions Validated!
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How so?
Not that I really want to endolge your shifting goalposts, since interfere has nothing to do with block, but...
Can you point out where I said they never interfere?
I can actually understand some interference, for legitimate concerns. I would condemn interference for no reason other than petty BS.
I already referenced the UN report which condemned Israel's illegal confiscation of video equipment and other personal property. Where do you think the edited manipulated video of activists fighting with IDF soldiers originated???
How many sources would you like? I can reference hundreds of legitimate sources as well statements by the activists and reporters on the Freedom Flotilla themselves.
Committee to Protect Journalists.
CPJ denounces Israel’s use of footage seized in flotilla raid
New York, June 3, 2010—The Committee to Protect Journalists denounces Israel’s editing and distribution of footage confiscated from foreign journalists aboard the Gaza-bound flotilla that was raided on Monday.
On Wednesday, the Israel Defense Forces spokesman’s office released edited portions of confiscated video on its YouTube channel, where the footage was labeled as “captured.” The Foreign Press Association in Israel, which represents hundreds of foreign correspondents in Israel, called the use a "clear violation of journalistic ethics and unacceptable" and warned news outlets to "treat the material with appropriate caution."
CPJ called on the Israeli government to immediately return all equipment, notes, and footage confiscated from journalists. “Israel has confiscated journalistic material and then manipulated it to serve its interests,” said CPJ Middle East and North Africa Program Coordinator Mohamed Abdel Dayem. “It must cease this practice without delay, and return all property seized from journalists who were covering this legitimate news event.”
Journalists have complained of mistreatment during the raid. Al-Jazeera cameraman Issam Zaatar told the Qatar-based channel that as he was filming the raid an Israeli soldier struck him with a stun gun. He said he suffered a broken arm and his camera was damaged during the altercation.
Gadijah Davids, a South African radio journalist, also had her equipment confiscated, according to her station, Radio 786. Rushni Ali, the station manager, told CPJ that Davids is in Turkey and will be leaving for South Africa on Friday. The South African government provided emergency travel documents for Davids because she “had nothing with her: no clothes, no travel document, no equipment” Ali told CPJ. Paul McGeough, Sydney Morning Herald chief correspondent,told his newspaper that the raid was “very ugly.” He accused Israel of “absolute disrespect” with regard to the way that he and other reporters were treated. “Our job requires us to get the stories, and to reveal things that are not otherwise being revealed,” McGough said in a phone interview that appears on the paper’s Web site. “As Israel’s appalling handling of the flotilla demonstrates, you need journalists there to bear witness, to reveal what is happening out there.”
CPJ’s Abdel Dayem said: “The treatment meted out to our colleagues is unacceptable. It is Israel’s responsibility to conduct its operations in ways that also allow journalists to report the news.”
http://cpj.org/2010/06/cpj-denounces-israels-use-of-footage-seized-in-flo.php
What gets in to Gaza is now a very small part of their economy, which bypasses Israeli and Egyptian control. Gaza's tunnels are a long term consequence of harsh conditions and humanity ingenuity. I have no doubts that every day that passes, more contraband enters Gaza via their literally underground economy. Consumer goods, building materials, medicine, ... No doubt the tunnels also move arms, people, parts, parts, raw materials... While the IDF waste time and resources on the non-threat represented by WHO.
Gazans cannot rely on sources Israel controls. Most Gazans would likely starve if they had to live on the meager rations through Israeli controlled sources. Gazans depend on tunnels that Hamas controls and taxes and Israel periodically bombs. No surprise they've sided with their stomachs againt the people who bomb them.
I'm not anti-Israeli. I take know pleasure knowing that Israeli and Gazan civilians are both held hostage by war criminals. From my perspective, the real enemy are the people who wage war and violence. The real victims are the innocent civilians. As a result of subjective reporting the suffering of Gazans went unreported serving the interests of one side's war criminals.
Despite recent improvements since the last time Gaza was destroyed, Gazans remain trapped in a war zone. Super sonic Jets slam them with booms day and night. Public streets and buildings are know to suddenly vanish leaving a pile of rubble, which is cleaned up and rebuilt
Their life has been a constant like this for two generations. The majority have all known war personally. No doubt some mean nasty people live on the side with the most craters. I've observed that "what goes around". Please don't interpret that as a threat.
No doubt they have fixed the place up and the economy is growing, despite Israeli government attempts to make life as miserable as possible.
Gazans cannot rely on sources Israel controls. Most Gazans would likely starve if they had to live on the meager rations through Israeli controlled sources. Gazans depend on tunnels that Hamas controls and taxes and Israel periodically bombs. No surprise they've sided with their stomachs againt the people who bomb them.
I'm not anti-Israeli. I take know pleasure knowing that Israeli and Gazan civilians are both held hostage by war criminals. From my perspective, the real enemy are the people who wage war and violence. The real victims are the innocent civilians. As a result of subjective reporting the suffering of Gazans went unreported serving the interests of one side's war criminals.
Despite recent improvements since the last time Gaza was destroyed, Gazans remain trapped in a war zone. Super sonic Jets slam them with booms day and night. Public streets and buildings are know to suddenly vanish leaving a pile of rubble, which is cleaned up and rebuilt
Their life has been a constant like this for two generations. The majority have all known war personally. No doubt some mean nasty people live on the side with the most craters. I've observed that "what goes around". Please don't interpret that as a threat.
No doubt they have fixed the place up and the economy is growing, despite Israeli government attempts to make life as miserable as possible.
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Informed opinion- Well you state clearly here that the IDF withheld 99.9 % of all video- I asked for a link and proof-
Yet you have stated on a number of occasions that you do research. So you must have researched this.
So Link and Proof please.
2nd time I have asked.
But if you do not have proof then a retraction would be in order.
Let's say that for the sake of argument that Israel sent out some Mossad agents to acquire some assets among those who were on board the flotilla. Is it not possible that between bribery and blackmail, one of the hundreds of passengers on board, could have altered his story to please the Israeli government?
Does a single voice singing a song that you like drown out the songs of hundreds of others?
it's quite amusing to see so many Israeli apologists so enamored with the rules of the UN.
I had no idea that they held it in such high regard.
How so?
Yep. Is it equally plausible, that a large group of ideologically like minded people. Who believe in their cause so strenuously, deeply, would alter the course of events in their own perception, to further their cause?
Only if the facts dictate the lone voice is the only sane one.
We don't. It's actually the Palestinian propagandists that love to quote the UN. Seeing as they hold the UN to such a high regard, we use the UN against them. It's all logical if you understand that sort of thing.
Just like the Goldstone report. Hoisted on high as the quintessential smoking gun, the end all of proof of Israeli wrong doing. Goldstone heralded as the smartest, most intelligent, most honest and trustworthy Jew in the world.
Until he retracted the bulk of his report.
So you take pleasure from peoples misery- Another insight. While the PLO is willing to negotiate Hamas is not. Does that increase your pleasure points.
Well there are lots of clubs that still don't. Oh wait, that's Countries.
I prefer the term. Nitwits.
Doesn't matter. It's all about foreskin equality.
Oh won't someone please think about the poor little shmeckles!!!Doesn't matter. It's all about foreskin equality.
Doesn't matter. It's all about foreskin equality.
Ole Doc would say that they should have adopted the < French cut> :wink:
Has anyone noticed that EAO has retreated from accusations of summary execution on board the Mavi.......and is now reduced to accusations of theft of video???
We are doing some good here....
We are doing some good here....
It's always nice to see some reality sinking in.Has anyone noticed that EAO has retreated from accusations of summary execution on board the Mavi.......and is now reduced to accusations of theft of video???
We are doing some good here....
Has anyone noticed that EAO has retreated from accusations of summary execution on board the Mavi.......and is now reduced to accusations of theft of video???
We are doing some good here....
When did I say that? Yet another misrepresentation of what I posted?
I posted references to the activist's claims and information which appeared to support their claims. Those claims were never reported by our MSM, which has only reported the Israeli version of events. I posted their version of events, because I believe that their version is as deserving of as much attention as the Israeli version.
Here is what I wrote:
...The videos above support eye witness accounts that the IDF executed some of the activists.
...once the activists were subdued and they were no longer a threat, the IDF had no right to continue to assault (or execute as claimed by the activists) subdued activists.
I suspect since the IDF is not releasing all the video, because not all the activists were killed during the struggle. Not releasing the video probably means that some activists were executed after they were subdued. But that's unproven...
I am undecided regarding whether the IDF executed any activists. A good chance that the evidence is on confiscated videos that the IDF refuses to release. If the evidence supports the Israeli version of events, then the IDF should release them. Not releasing the videos doesn't prove that the IDF executed activists. The wounds which killed several of the activists are are consistent with execution don't prove it either. They are also consistent with other scenarios. I have not seen any evidence which proves the IDF did not execute the activists. As it stands right now, the activists' claims remain unproven.... which is what I already said.
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Informed opinion- Well you state clearly here that the IDF withheld 99.9 % of all video- I asked for a link and proof-
Yet you have stated on a number of occasions that you do research. So you must have researched this.
So Link and Proof please.
3rd time I have asked.
But if you do not have proof then a retraction would be in order.
Sure, I'll make a retraction.
The IDF never released any confiscated video. The highly edited video doesn't count Israel posted on youtube doesn't count. So I should have wrote 100% rather than 99.9%.
The IDF never released any confiscated video. The highly edited video doesn't count Israel posted on youtube doesn't count. So I should have wrote 100% rather than 99.9%.
As far as I know, Israel has not returned any illegally confiscated video from the Freedom Flotilla. If you believe otherwise, please post a link supporting your belief.
Care to retract your statements which imply I am a liar? Please support your allegations with a link indicating that the IDF has returned any personal property they illegally confiscated from reporters and activists on the Freedom Flotilla... BTW, reporters have a right to do their job without being harassed, beaten and having their personal property including video, video recording equipment, money and other personal "illegally confiscated". BTW, "illegally confiscated" is a just politically correct way to describe theft.
FYI: Israeli illegal confiscation of personal property including homes, bank accounts, money, furniture, clothing, family photos, beds, children's toy... is not new. Israel has a long tradition of illegally confiscating (stealing) personal property since 1948 which continues to this day. Its part of the reason why the region has millions of nationless refugees and is a war zone.
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