In part it is - They have to pay salaries, people out of country - run projects etc. Not ever thing is provided by Imanutjob in Iran - It also cements control. And that is part of the key.
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In part it is - They have to pay salaries, people out of country - run projects etc. Not ever thing is provided by Imanutjob in Iran - It also cements control. And that is part of the key.
I thought wrong, it is not about stopping exports from Gaza, just about stopping imports that can be used as weapons against Israel.
It's the Dutch who'll take the loss. There is a Palestinian election coming up with potential for coup attempts. That opens the door to UN to step in and clear out all arms once and for all.
If not NATO is in the area.
Send in Soldiers from the Arab league - they are all so well trained in Human Rights. Why I think some of them could even spell it.
31000 Muslim troops boots to the ground fighting alongside Canadian troops in A-Stan.
Really???
BBC News - Q&A: Foreign forces in Afghanistan
ISAF troop number statistics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why are some countries missing from the wikipedia list? How much cash or other resources were tossed NATOs way by Islamic nations through ISAF? How come I don't see any Israeli troops listed as being in A-Stan? A couple of neighbours are there quietly but thats only if you believe wikileaks and treasonous punks like Manning who let it out.
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SUBJECT: JORDAN: PREVIEW OF AFGHANISTAN SUPPORT OFFER IN
UPCOMING WASHINGTON MEETINGS
REF: A. AMMAN 0200
¶B. AMMAN 0091
Classified By: Ambassador R. Stephen Beecroft
for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)
¶1. (S/NF) SUMMARY: Jordan's top military advisor and
brother of the King, Lieutenant General (LTG) Prince Faisal
bin Al Hussein, and Minister of Planning Jafar Hassan will
travel to Washington during the week of January 25. Their
itineraries include meetings with senior U.S. officials in
the Department of Defense, the Air Force, the Department of
StaQrQQ^,ON2}g5Congress. In the meetings, the
Jordanians are expected to offer significant increases to
Jordan's security support in Afghanistan in exchange for
additional economic assistance through an anticipated
Afghanistan supplemental appropriation. Contributions that
support U.S. goals can likely be obtained for reimbursement
at cost if we want to hold the line and not include Jordan in
the supplemental. END SUMMARY.
Afghanistan Issues
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¶2. (S/NF) Jordan has already made a significant
contribution of forces in Afghanistan (ref B), currently
numbered at 850 troops, which includes an infantry battalion,
a special operations company, and a field hospital. Prince
Faisal and Minister Hasan will likely make a number of offers
for increased participation in Afghanistan. Specifically, we
expect them to offer:
¶3. (S/NF) Training for Afghan Clerics -- Minister Hasan has
indicated an interest in offering a one-year training program
for Afghan clerics and religious leaders in moderate Islam to
counter extremist ideologies. The program would be hosted at
Al Albayt University in Mafraq, Jordan, and has been approved
by Prince Ghazi bin Muhammed, the King's special advisor on
religious affairs. (Note: Prince Ghazi is also the author
of the Amman Message on moderate Islam and the Common Word on
outreach to Christians. End Note.)
¶4. (S/NF) Police Training -- Prince Faisal and Minister
Hasan will offer to train Afghan National Police (ANP) at
training facilities in Jordan or by sending Mobile Training
Teams (MTT) to Afghanistan.
-- Background: Jordan has established a record of effective
training of regional police and para-military forces at the
Jordan International Police Training Center (JIPTC). In
2005-2007, the Jordanian Public Security Directorate (PSD)
trained over 53,000 Iraqi National Police. Since 2008,
Jordan has trained over 3,500 members of the Palestinian
Authority's gendarmerie-like National Security Forces (NSF)
and Presidential Guard, resulting in partial withdrawal of
Israeli security from four key West Bank cities.
¶5. (S/NF) Additional Field Hospital -- Prince Faisal and
Minister Hasan will offer to send an additional military
field hospital to Afghanistan. Jordan already operates one
hospital in Qalat, Afghanistan which has treated over 750,000
patients since 2003. Jordan also maintains field hospitals
in Fallujah, Iraq and in Gaza, and will soon open one in
Haiti (ref A).
¶6. (S/NF) Additional Ground Forces -- Senior Jordanian
military officials have in the past mentioned their interest
in making sizeable increases in their contribution of ground
forces in Afghanistan, and recently reaffirmed their interest
to the U.K. and NATO officials. Prince Faisal may make such
an offer in Washington.
-- Background: Feedback from the field indicates that
Jordanian forces already deployed have been highly effective
at key leader engagement in Afghan villages, forging valuable
relationships that give these leaders a promising alternative
to Taliban affiliation. At the same time, a Jordanian legal
requirement that soldiers deployed overseas must receive
approximately 1600 USD per month in combat pay has been
pushing the Jordanian Armed Forces (JAF) deeper into deficit.
The GOJ has repeatedly requested assistance from us to meet
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this obligation, a request the USG cannot fulfill. CENTCOM
has had preliminary discussions with the U.A.E. to explore it
as a potential source of donor funding, but so far funds have
not been forthcoming.
¶7. (S/NF) Special Operations Training -- Prince Faisal may
offer to train Afghan counter-terrorism (CT) or special
operations forces (SOF).
-- Background: Jordan has developed strong SOF and CT skills
within its security forces and currently has a SOF unit
deployed in Afghanistan (TF111). In May 2009 Jordan opened
the King Abdullah Special Operations Training Center (KASOTC)
as an intended center of excellence for SOF training.
Although KASOTC has hosted regional joint exercises, it has
yet to host a full-length regional training course.
¶8. (S/NF) Fighter Jets and Helicopters -- In previous
meetings, Prince Faisal has offered to send F-16 fighter jets
and UH-60 helicopters with pilots to conduct combat missions.
-- Background: Air Force Central Command (AFCENT) Commander
LTG Hostage met Prince Faisal in Amman on January 19 and
indicated to him that such a contribution would not be
helpful at this time. He assessed that Jordanian F-16 and
UH-60 pilots do not have sufficient combat flight experience.
In addition, the fleet would require point-to-point support
from the U.S. for maintenance, repair, and in missions.
Iraq Issues
-----------
¶9. (S/NF) Prince Faisal may also raise the following issues
related to Iraq:
¶10. (S/NF) Sale of Fighter Jets -- Prince Faisal has
previously indicated his interest in selling Jordan's Peace
Falcon I (PF-I) F-16 Fighter Jets to Iraq. The sale is
intended to make way for an acquisition of fourteen new F-16
jets from European partners with increased avionics
capabilities. A recent assessment by the Air Force
International Affairs Division indicated that the
acquisition, and an accompanying mid-life upgrade to the
remainder of its F-16 fleet, would cost Jordan well over $1
billion, including training and maintenance support.
¶11. (S/NF) Training Iraqi Pilots -- As Iraq establishes its
Air Force capabilities, Jordan has indicated interest in
training Iraqi pilots. In his January 19 meeting LTG Hostage
indicated that the U.S. was exploring conduct that training
itself.
¶12. (S/NF) Fighter Weapons School -- Jordan plans to
establish a center of excellence for fighter pilot training
and may seek U.S. assistance with the project. However, the
USG already supports such a facility in the region, the Gulf
Air War Center in the U.A.E.
Comment
-------
¶13. (S/NF) Through their deployments in Afghanistan and
their assistance to other countries in the region, Jordan has
shown itself to be a willing and capable partner in support
of U.S. security goals. Despite the recent suicide bombing
in Khost, Afghanistan, the resulting press reporting
regarding Jordan's role in Afghanistan, and domestic public
pressures on Jordan to end its security cooperation with the
U.S., the Jordanians will make significant offers to increase
their assistance during the Washington visit. Forefront in
their minds, however, is an equally significant reward in the
form of economic assistance through an Afghanistan or other
supplemental appropriation. Although they would be
disappointed not to receive supplemental assistance, the
Jordanians would likely accept reimbursement at cost for any
additional contributions we do want, especially if we can
identify a third-country donor to assist with Jordan's combat
pay problem.
Beecroft
Remeber that stuff in the Biblos about the King of Judea being related to the King of the Ammonites? You've heard of King Abdul Hussein? Ever seen his hot wife?
I'd even go as far as saying the King of Jordan is Pro-Semite considering he is one.
Then there was that Solomon guy who boinked and spawned kids with every type of log the woodpile had to offer.
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TAGS: PREL PINS MASS KISL JO AF
SUBJECT: JORDAN: PREVIEW OF AFGHANISTAN SUPPORT OFFER IN
UPCOMING WASHINGTON MEETINGS
REF: A. AMMAN 0200
¶B. AMMAN 0091
Classified By: Ambassador R. Stephen Beecroft
for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)
¶1. (S/NF) SUMMARY: Jordan's top military advisor and
brother of the King, Lieutenant General (LTG) Prince Faisal
bin Al Hussein, and Minister of Planning Jafar Hassan will
travel to Washington during the week of January 25. Their
itineraries include meetings with senior U.S. officials in
the Department of Defense, the Air Force, the Department of
StaQrQQ^,ON2}g5Congress. In the meetings, the
Jordanians are expected to offer significant increases to
Jordan's security support in Afghanistan in exchange for
additional economic assistance through an anticipated
Afghanistan supplemental appropriation. Contributions that
support U.S. goals can likely be obtained for reimbursement
at cost if we want to hold the line and not include Jordan in
the supplemental. END SUMMARY.
Afghanistan Issues
------------------
¶2. (S/NF) Jordan has already made a significant
contribution of forces in Afghanistan (ref B), currently
numbered at 850 troops, which includes an infantry battalion,
a special operations company, and a field hospital. Prince
Faisal and Minister Hasan will likely make a number of offers
for increased participation in Afghanistan. Specifically, we
expect them to offer:
¶3. (S/NF) Training for Afghan Clerics -- Minister Hasan has
indicated an interest in offering a one-year training program
for Afghan clerics and religious leaders in moderate Islam to
counter extremist ideologies. The program would be hosted at
Al Albayt University in Mafraq, Jordan, and has been approved
by Prince Ghazi bin Muhammed, the King's special advisor on
religious affairs. (Note: Prince Ghazi is also the author
of the Amman Message on moderate Islam and the Common Word on
outreach to Christians. End Note.)
¶4. (S/NF) Police Training -- Prince Faisal and Minister
Hasan will offer to train Afghan National Police (ANP) at
training facilities in Jordan or by sending Mobile Training
Teams (MTT) to Afghanistan.
-- Background: Jordan has established a record of effective
training of regional police and para-military forces at the
Jordan International Police Training Center (JIPTC). In
2005-2007, the Jordanian Public Security Directorate (PSD)
trained over 53,000 Iraqi National Police. Since 2008,
Jordan has trained over 3,500 members of the Palestinian
Authority's gendarmerie-like National Security Forces (NSF)
and Presidential Guard, resulting in partial withdrawal of
Israeli security from four key West Bank cities.
¶5. (S/NF) Additional Field Hospital -- Prince Faisal and
Minister Hasan will offer to send an additional military
field hospital to Afghanistan. Jordan already operates one
hospital in Qalat, Afghanistan which has treated over 750,000
patients since 2003. Jordan also maintains field hospitals
in Fallujah, Iraq and in Gaza, and will soon open one in
Haiti (ref A).
¶6. (S/NF) Additional Ground Forces -- Senior Jordanian
military officials have in the past mentioned their interest
in making sizeable increases in their contribution of ground
forces in Afghanistan, and recently reaffirmed their interest
to the U.K. and NATO officials. Prince Faisal may make such
an offer in Washington.
-- Background: Feedback from the field indicates that
Jordanian forces already deployed have been highly effective
at key leader engagement in Afghan villages, forging valuable
relationships that give these leaders a promising alternative
to Taliban affiliation. At the same time, a Jordanian legal
requirement that soldiers deployed overseas must receive
approximately 1600 USD per month in combat pay has been
pushing the Jordanian Armed Forces (JAF) deeper into deficit.
The GOJ has repeatedly requested assistance from us to meet
AMMAN 00000219 002 OF 002
this obligation, a request the USG cannot fulfill. CENTCOM
has had preliminary discussions with the U.A.E. to explore it
as a potential source of donor funding, but so far funds have
not been forthcoming.
¶7. (S/NF) Special Operations Training -- Prince Faisal may
offer to train Afghan counter-terrorism (CT) or special
operations forces (SOF).
-- Background: Jordan has developed strong SOF and CT skills
within its security forces and currently has a SOF unit
deployed in Afghanistan (TF111). In May 2009 Jordan opened
the King Abdullah Special Operations Training Center (KASOTC)
as an intended center of excellence for SOF training.
Although KASOTC has hosted regional joint exercises, it has
yet to host a full-length regional training course.
¶8. (S/NF) Fighter Jets and Helicopters -- In previous
meetings, Prince Faisal has offered to send F-16 fighter jets
and UH-60 helicopters with pilots to conduct combat missions.
-- Background: Air Force Central Command (AFCENT) Commander
LTG Hostage met Prince Faisal in Amman on January 19 and
indicated to him that such a contribution would not be
helpful at this time. He assessed that Jordanian F-16 and
UH-60 pilots do not have sufficient combat flight experience.
In addition, the fleet would require point-to-point support
from the U.S. for maintenance, repair, and in missions.
Iraq Issues
-----------
¶9. (S/NF) Prince Faisal may also raise the following issues
related to Iraq:
¶10. (S/NF) Sale of Fighter Jets -- Prince Faisal has
previously indicated his interest in selling Jordan's Peace
Falcon I (PF-I) F-16 Fighter Jets to Iraq. The sale is
intended to make way for an acquisition of fourteen new F-16
jets from European partners with increased avionics
capabilities. A recent assessment by the Air Force
International Affairs Division indicated that the
acquisition, and an accompanying mid-life upgrade to the
remainder of its F-16 fleet, would cost Jordan well over $1
billion, including training and maintenance support.
¶11. (S/NF) Training Iraqi Pilots -- As Iraq establishes its
Air Force capabilities, Jordan has indicated interest in
training Iraqi pilots. In his January 19 meeting LTG Hostage
indicated that the U.S. was exploring conduct that training
itself.
¶12. (S/NF) Fighter Weapons School -- Jordan plans to
establish a center of excellence for fighter pilot training
and may seek U.S. assistance with the project. However, the
USG already supports such a facility in the region, the Gulf
Air War Center in the U.A.E.
Comment
-------
¶13. (S/NF) Through their deployments in Afghanistan and
their assistance to other countries in the region, Jordan has
shown itself to be a willing and capable partner in support
of U.S. security goals. Despite the recent suicide bombing
in Khost, Afghanistan, the resulting press reporting
regarding Jordan's role in Afghanistan, and domestic public
pressures on Jordan to end its security cooperation with the
U.S., the Jordanians will make significant offers to increase
their assistance during the Washington visit. Forefront in
their minds, however, is an equally significant reward in the
form of economic assistance through an Afghanistan or other
supplemental appropriation. Although they would be
disappointed not to receive supplemental assistance, the
Jordanians would likely accept reimbursement at cost for any
additional contributions we do want, especially if we can
identify a third-country donor to assist with Jordan's combat
pay problem.
Beecroft
Remeber that stuff in the Biblos about the King of Judea being related to the King of the Ammonites? You've heard of King Abdul Hussein? Ever seen his hot wife?
I'd even go as far as saying the King of Jordan is Pro-Semite considering he is one.
Then there was that Solomon guy who boinked and spawned kids with every type of log the woodpile had to offer.
Nonsense, Hamas goes to great lengths to set the record straight whenever they are accused of having any thoughts of recognizing Israel. There is no effective about it.
Yup, the destruction of Israel and subjugation of all surviving Jews will solve the conflict nicely.
Short answer: Israel is not blocking export of Gazan flowers and strawberries.
I'm sure we'll hear you make that claim many times in the future though.
gaza exports of flowers and strawberries - Yahoo! Search Results
Are you sure you have the facts right?
Granted Hamas came into power after 20 years of military occupation ('67)with the world doing squat to end that situation.
Are you sure 'destruction' doesn't mean making UN 181 and UN 273 'null and void'?
You may have gotten into some bad wine if you think they were going to run a world-wide campaign to exterminated ever Jew in the world. In that end we know Israel will target whoever they want wherever they want anyplace in the world, has Hamas gone into assassinations in foreign lands? I doubt they even can identify all the stool-pigeons Israel has planted just in Gaza and the West Bank, unlike Hezbollah in Lebanon who have found a few moles but I didn't get any of the details of who they actually were.
Making money off area considered to be 'occupied territories is a war crime. If the IDF supports a civilian Israeli putting cement (or anything) into a well that is for drinking water that is a war crime, and we do **** about either of these "very obvious" things, why would killing people directly suddenly evoke a moral conscious attitude in us, it is the time we plug our ears to go along with our closed eyes.
Seriously God exiled people from that specific area for doing things like that, the last 60 years are like trying to rub salt into His eyes. Not my fault (or any Gentile) that He put you on a path that sends you to the some sort of cross Jesus went too. He didn't lift it for Jesus and it won't lift if for the decedents of the ones that were the cause of the exile into Babylon, Neb was the start and Satan (the very nasty one from the 4th seal, hell and death are his calling card.
Knowing the He won't be protecting anybody from any of the 12 Tribes ( 10% is saved as witnesses, children rather than Ariel making a comeback tour) I'm all about most parts of the OT, yet it is seldom that a 'Jew' will open up to a Christian (unlike the RCC) Push comes to shove I have still yet to find a Messianic Jew who didn't believe in the OT being very much literal in most 'topics'. Most because there is likely to be an exception just to show nothing is ever always the same. Some things God designed as having a beginning and an ending. His version is that two events will take place. If we 'have to argue' let's go there. The non Jesus believing one's I actually chatted to seem to be of the view that most of the 'grand part' are stories meant to be a teaching aid and the God of the OT is a 'spiritual being' only. No resurrection from a physical death would be possible if that was the way it actually went down, which it isn't, the OT was very literal in all but the prophecies. It was the fulfillment of the first of two bruises, the bruise to the heel was one blessed (by God) member of mankind being killed earlier than the curse that Adam brought comes along does.
That all sins are forgiven might make a 'person that knows' to do things, or 'develop attitudes' that would 'take advantage' of said situation. Would it be worth it if God tacked on 'extras' that are not so apparent. My situation doesn't allow for such feedback, somebody could always give the info to the OP of the other thread, he doesn't mind doing favors, no questions asked. Sarcasm alert, well sort of.
Feel free to expand on any/all points in the above if a verse/passage/chapter can be found.
All points in the OP have been covered except the ones to do with the UN report by Justice Goldstone. I come from the era where a Juge had much authority outside the Courtroom as well as inside. If intimidation was the order of the day it should have been a blessing on him and his family for having the courage to tell the truth, lets the chips fall where they may when the Matter is settled in a Palestinian court as they are the victims, same as the US does when some country like Venezuela take away their corrupot way of doing business. The US Courts authorize monetary payments for 'their corporations', the UN could be the lucky ones to get the PPV broadcasting rights for the world. A few pennies gets you 24/7 to all the archives and all the cameras the place has. Sort of like licking your own FAV view at any NHL game in the league (a few dollars per day) We could bitch about this being possible in an age that will get better instead of knowing which CD's you should have gotten before the web blew away that allowed for towns/villages/neighborhoods to form their own web and what info they have is the extent of things in the not-so-good future.
Both mhz and eao are good at that. Go on and on and on, but at no time directly address the original question. Baffle em with Bullshyte.
With EAO it is facts & truth that really fuk him up. He has to rejoin the Borg Collective to
get updates before he can reply and often as not, no reply is the norm
Same wine as this Hamas MP and cleric:
Cleric say: Jews Were Brought to Palestine for the Great Massacre - YouTube