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IMHO Isreal has nothing to apologize for - period! When there are hundreds of thousands of people and many countries who want to literally destroy them, how can anyone blame them? I just don't understand the logic.
 
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Are you sure you have the facts right?
Granted Hamas came into power after 20 years of military occupation ('67)with the world doing squat to end that situation.
Are you sure 'destruction' doesn't mean making UN 181 and UN 273 'null and void'?

You may have gotten into some bad wine if you think they were going to run a world-wide campaign to exterminated ever Jew in the world. In that end we know Israel will target whoever they want wherever they want anyplace in the world, has Hamas gone into assassinations in foreign lands? I doubt they even can identify all the stool-pigeons Israel has planted just in Gaza and the West Bank, unlike Hezbollah in Lebanon who have found a few moles but I didn't get any of the details of who they actually were.
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Can only go by the Hamas charter, it doesn't offer much hope.
 
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Yeah, it's ludicrous and no intelligent person thinks this. That wouldn't even be the majority thought in Israel.
 
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AbtFet said:
Yeah, it's ludicrous and no intelligent person thinks this. That wouldn't even be the majority thought in Israel.
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Read the title to the thread.......then go read the initial post.

The UN (no friend of Israel) has ruled that the blockade of Gaza is legal........

And Israeli troops were attacked while engaged in the perfectly legal execution of their duties..........several were wounded.

Then, when they defended themselves , they were pilloried by the world community at large, and useful idiots like yourself in particular..

Israel was the aggrieved party...........and you have not gotten a single thing correct in the last 24 hours. On this thread or any other......

I think I will just pass on your application to be the adjudicator of who is, or is not, intelligent.

LOL
 
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ironsides said:
Can only go by the Hamas charter, it doesn't offer much hope.
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Do you hold Israel's ruling Likud Party to the same standard as Hamas?

From the Likud Charter:

RE:Jewish Colonies on Occupied Palestinian land:
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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Therefore no two-state solution.


RE: Palestinian self-rule:
"The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel’s existence, security and national needs."
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Therefore no Palestinian sovereign state.


On Jerusalem:
"Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem, including the plan to divide the city presented to the Knesset by the Arab factions and supported by many members of Labor and Meretz."
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Palestinians have no rights to any part of Jerusalem.

Likud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel has a right to block arms from entering Gaza. But that's it.

No nation can legally block humanitarian food and medical aid.
Collective punishment is illegal: blocking exports, collecting and withholding taxes...

Right now there are bigger problems in the world. But this festering wound will eventually lead to a very destructive war. Canada would be wise not to unshakably support countries which commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
 
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earth_as_one said:
Do you hold Israel's ruling Likud Party to the same standard as Hamas?

From the Likud Charter:

RE:Jewish Colonies on Occupied Palestinian land:

Therefore no two-state solution.


RE: Palestinian self-rule:

Therefore no Palestinian sovereign state.


On Jerusalem:

Palestinians have no rights to any part of Jerusalem.

Likud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel has a right to block arms from entering Gaza. But that's it.

No nation can legally block humanitarian food and medical aid.
Collective punishment is illegal: blocking exports, collecting and withholding taxes...

Right now there are bigger problems in the world. But this festering wound will eventually lead to a very destructive war. Canada would be wise not to unshakably support countries which commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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I agree, there should be no Palestinian state west of the Jordan river. The Gaza Strip was captured by Israel from Egypt in 1967 during the Six-Day War and occupied by Israel until 1994, when responsibility for its administration was transferred to the Palestine National Authority (PNA). The West Bank was held by the Jordanian army in 1948 at the end of the First Arab-Israeli War following the creation of the state of Israel, and formally annexed in 1950. The area was integrated into the kingdom of Jordan, with Palestinians there being given Jordanian passports and citizenship. Confusing maybe, but there is no legal Palestine except for Gaza, and if they stop making trouble from there, they will stop being spanked by Israel.
 
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No its not confusing at all. In a nutshell, the Likud and Hamas Charters are equally intolerant and each side is committed to the destruction of the other.
 
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Colpy said:
Read the title to the thread.......then go read the initial post.

The UN (no friend of Israel) has ruled that the blockade of Gaza is legal........

And Israeli troops were attacked while engaged in the perfectly legal execution of their duties..........several were wounded.

Then, when they defended themselves , they were pilloried by the world community at large, and useful idiots like yourself in particular..

Israel was the aggrieved party...........and you have not gotten a single thing correct in the last 24 hours. On this thread or any other......

I think I will just pass on your application to be the adjudicator of who is, or is not, intelligent.

LOL
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I Read the entire thread, you got destroyed by cubert quite convincingly and your title is nothing but a blatant lie.
I suggest you read up on Norman Finkelstein for an educated view on the matter.
 
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AbtFet said:
I Read the entire thread, you got destroyed by cubert quite convincingly and your title is nothing but a blatant lie.
I suggest you read up on Norman Finkelstein for an educated view on the matter.
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Cubert you posing as someone else?

Again?

By the way, Hamas sucks!
 
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Hamas is a political party just like Likud. Unlike the Likud, Hamas won a majoprity in their last election. Likud leads a coalition of extremists and they are about as loony as extreme elements in Hamas.

Charters govern both Likud and Hamas.. The Likud charter includes sections which commit Likud to the destruction of a Palestinian homeland. The Hamas charter includes sections which commit Hamas to the destruction of a Jewish homeland in Israel.

How is this concept complicated regarding Likud, yet not complicated regarding Hamas?
 
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earth_as_one said:
Hamas is a political party just like Likud. Unlike the Likud, Hamas won a majoprity in their last election. Likud leads a coalition of extremists and they are about as loony as extreme elements in Hamas.

Charters govern both Likud and Hamas.. The Likud charter includes sections which commit Likud to the destruction of a Palestinian homeland. The Hamas charter includes sections which commit Hamas to the destruction of a Jewish homeland in Israel.

How is this concept complicated regarding Likud, yet not complicated regarding Hamas?
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Wasn't Netanyahu a member of the Likud party?
 
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earth_as_one said:
Hamas is a political party just like Likud. Unlike the Likud, Hamas won a majoprity in their last election. Likud leads a coalition of extremists and they are about as loony as extreme elements in Hamas.

Charters govern both Likud and Hamas.. The Likud charter includes sections which commit Likud to the destruction of a Palestinian homeland. The Hamas charter includes sections which commit Hamas to the destruction of a Jewish homeland in Israel.

How is this concept complicated regarding Likud, yet not complicated regarding Hamas?
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If you accept Hamas as a entity, you make it confusing. I don't accept Hamas as anything except terrorists that must be removed and dealt with.
 
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If you want peace in the Mid-East, it can only be done with the total cooperation of Israel. The powers to be in Israel are the only thing keeping that nation from being overrun or taken over by their Arab neighbors. Israel cannot afford to lose even one conflict with them. We (average citizens of a country living in peace with out immediate neighbors) cannot even begin to think how it is to go to bed at night wondering if you will be attacked or not.

They just cannot afford to be Mr./Mrs. nice guy, but I would still rather trust them to protect me than Hamas or Hezbollah.
 
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That explains many of the reasons why Palestinians are so oppressed right now .
Literally a right-wing extremist is in power in Israel.
 
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