The end of capitalism has begun, but what will replace it?

petros

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A perfect democracy would be if everyone could get to vote on every single item....but then....not everyone is informed enough to do that...
As it is....even the news we get are written by someone with an ideology or an agenda of some kind.....
So we muddle along, and no matter who gets elected....somebody will not be happy with the results..

We need to ditch the English Parliamentary system and go Republic with the ability to vote for everyone from head bottle washer to President.
 

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For the most part, I think democratic republics are the best of a bad issue.
 

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There is a difference between a Free Enterprise System and the Free Market System that has imposed itself on the Globe now as the only form of 'Capitalism'. It is the Global Free Market System.. an implicit form of the Corporate Tyranny... a natural Oligarchy.. and fundamentally a system of Slavery that is supreme in the West now.. and it is failing catastrophically.

There is a system of regulated Free Enterprise that works to principles of democracy and equity rather than rampant Greed.. which regulates markets and commerce.. encourages national systems of political economy (in currency and trade).. distributes wealth equitably.. taxes progressively. It is this that is the arch enemy of Free Market Capitalism.. much more so than Communism ever was.
 
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AnnaG

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There is a difference between a Free Enterprise System and the Free Market System that has imposed itself on the Globe now as the only form of 'Capitalism'. It is the Global Free Market System.. and implicit form of the Corporate Tyranny... a natural Oligarchy.. and fundamentally a system of Slavery that is supreme in the West now.. and it is failin catastrophically.
I don't think it is failing at all. I think the people that are involved in keeping power and wealth are perfectly happy with things the way they are. It's only "failing" to people who don't like things the way they are.
I think it's rather funny, to be honest.

There is a system of regulated Free Enterprise the that works to principles of democracy and equity rather than rampant Greed.. which regulates markets and commerce.. encourages national systems of political economy (in currency and trade).. distributes wealth equitably.. taxes progressively. It is this that is the arch enemy of Free Market Capitalism.. much more so than Communism ever was.
"a system of regulated Free Enterprise the that works to principles of democracy and equity" .... which is?
 

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I don't think it is failing at all. I think the people that are involved in keeping power and wealth are perfectly happy with things the way they are. It's only "failing" to people who don't like things the way they are.
I think it's rather funny, to be honest.

"a system of regulated Free Enterprise the that works to principles of democracy and equity" .... which is?

It is falling apart. You can see it disintegrating at the edges.. in countries like Greece.

It is inherently unstable. It is a snake eating its own tail. You can see it in the disassembly of the workplace in terms of security, benefits, pensions in the developed world... reduced to service 'industries'.. with a radical polarization of wealth.. and a steady disappearance and impoverishment of the 'Middle Class'.

A Free Enterprise system is not an ideological utopia, which both Free Market Capitalism and Communism are. It is a flexible system of governance and regulation of a productive physical economy.. which puts the welfare of all, within a national system at the forefront. We had something that apprached it for the the first 25 years after WW2,.. which created the greatest growth in equitably shared wealth in the history of the world.

Once the Free Market movement came in with its privatization, deregulation, monetarism (commodification and free markets in currency and credit), Free Trade.. everything began to collapse in the early 70s. And its only going to get worse.
 
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AnnaG

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It is falling apart. You can see it disintegrating at the edges.. in countries like Greece. It is inherently unstable. It is a snake eating its own tail. You can see it in the disassembly of the workplace in the developed world... reduced to service 'industries'.. with a radical polarization of wealth.. and a steady disappearance and impoverishment of the 'middle class'.
lol The human body is kinda cool that way, too. It grows skin cells, which eventually die and disintegrate, and the body grows new cells, which eventually die and disintegrate in turn and so on. The body continues on its merry way with other projects.
As I said, those that propagate the machine are perfectly content.

A Free Enterprise system is not an ideological utopia, which both Free Market Capitasims and Communism are. It is a flexible system of governance and regulation which puts the welfare of all, within a national system. at the forefront. We had something that apprached it for the the first 25 years after WW2,.. which created the greatest growth in equitably shared wealth in the history of the world.

Once the Free Market movement came in with its privatization, deregulation, monetarism, Free Trade.. everything began to collapse in the early 70s.
Is anything human an ideological utopia? No. There are always going to be those unhappy with the status quo.

So you can't answer my question, huh?
 

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hahaha I've never worn the stuff so I have no idea what it feels like.
 

AnnaG

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Cool. Cotton is pretty good, too. We don't have to totally rely on furs. =) Although I do have some doeskin clothes my dad made for me as well as rabbit fur gloves. We could use the skin from some veteran politicians for shoes. It's pretty thick. hehe
 

petros

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Cotton is a very demanding crop on soil. One thing that has always been a head scratcher is " why can't I toss a pair of jeans into my blue box"? It is easily recyclable. I do realize clothing is intensively upcycled through donation but the third world being the end of the road still doesn'take sense.

I still chuckle when I think of a little boy who was wearing pink converse high tops 4 sizes too big, Richard Simmons shorts, and a iron maiden T-shirt.

I know I know it is all they have but if I can buy a flannel shirt at Old Navy for $3, why are we not buying sea cans of new clothing rather than shipping oud ratty old crap to Central America. It really wouldn't cost that much more.
 

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Could be a little itchy! :)
No, it is not itchy. Hemp makes the finest linen, bar none. Rayon is also a fine natural fiber made from bamboo. We don't need plastic for clothes. That is a dumb myth perpetrated by the oil industry. Also, plastics made from hemp oil are far superior to those made from crude oil and they are biodegradable.