The Election Of The Greatest Con-Man In Recent History

[TenPenny]

And i don't remember Nixon withdrawing any troops.

Well, you have a bad memory.

The U.S. and other allied forces began drastically reducing their troop support in South Vietnam during the final years of "Vietnamization". Many U.S. troops were removed from the region, and on 5 March 1971, the U.S. returned the 5th Special Forces Group, which was the first American unit deployed to South Vietnam, to its former base in Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

 

[JLM]

I quite agree. Johnson’s accomplishments were numerous, much more than any other president that I can think of. Unfortunately, he was sunk by Vietnam War. At the end of his term, all of his achievements on domestic front didn’t count for anything, he became deeply unpopular because of Vietnam War.

Ironically, because Americans didn’t like the involvement in Vietnam (and didn’t like the fact that Johnson continued the involvement), they elected a president (Nixon) who was much more hawkish than Johnson and got involved into Vietnam to even a greater extent.

I guess L.B.J.'s role as Pres. was more or less parallel to that of G.W.B., but for some reason G.W.B. doesn't get quite the credit. Oh yeah, I forgot Dubya was REpublican.

 

[AnnaG]

Reagan's 8 years was peaceful (relatively) for the people of the US.
Not so much for the people of El Salvador. Is enabling Iran to acquire arms (they were under embargo) to fund Nicaraguan contras (who shipped loads of crack to California)sound like a peaceful act?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I guess L.B.J.'s role as Pres. was more or less parallel to that of G.W.B., but for some reason G.W.B. doesn't get quite the credit. Oh yeah, I forgot Dubya was REpublican.

There is no comparison, JLM. What are Bush’s accomplishments? Johnson has a list a mile long. The only accomplishments of Bush that I can think of is the invasion of Iraq and being responsible for the dot com meltdown and also the worst meltdown since the Great Depression.

 

[Cannuck]

Grenada mean anything to you?

Yup. It's what the soldiers throw at the enemy.

I'm still trying to figure out if you have a point.

 

[JLM]

There is no comparison, JLM. What are Bush’s accomplishments? Johnson has a list a mile long. The only accomplishments of Bush that I can think of is the invasion of Iraq and being responsible for the dot com meltdown and also the worst meltdown since the Great Depression.

The recession and the dot.com meltdown had absolutely nothing to do with Bush, except it was "on his watch"- big deal. You've obviously forgotten about homeland security and the assault on the Tallyban in Afghanistan.

 

[Cliffy]

The recession and the dot.com meltdown had absolutely nothing to do with Bush, except it was "on his watch"- big deal. You've obviously forgotten about homeland security and the assault on the Tallyban in Afghanistan.

If you think that 1984 was a story of freedom and political achievement, then yes, Dubya was ahead of his time.

 

[damngrumpy]

Its funny how Palin told the press not to make things up when the right wing makes
everything up everyday. Obama is not a communist, an ailein or any of the things
they accuse him of. In fact if he were in canadian politics he would be regarded as
a Right wing liberal or left wing conservative.
Obama, is the only front man that might be able to pull America out of the mess they are in. A mess caused by the economic actions of the political right.
Remember, it was George Bush who gave everyone on the voters list, 600 dollars to go shopping.

 

[ironsides]

You are a Republican, EagleSmack, so I can understand you not thinking anything bad of Nixon. However Nixon was much more Hawkish on Vietnam than both Johnson and Humphrey. He expanded Vietnam War, took it to new venues (such as bombing of Hanoi and Hai Phong harbours). He was very enthusiastic about the Vietnam War.

After eight years of maximum effort by Nixon, Ford saw the wisdom of pulling out.

Richard Nixon won over Hubert H. Humphrey, because he promised to bring peace with honor in Vietnam and unite a nation deeply divided by racial crisis. Nixon actually did start a phased withdrawal of troops from Vietnam. Nixon eased cold war tensions. He initiated strategic arms limitation talks with the Soviet Union in 1969 and visited (1972) the People's Republic of China. What he did do that was wrong: Nixon reversed many of the social and economic welfare policies of President Lyndon B. Johnson. He vetoed much of the new health, education, and welfare legislation and impounded congressionally approved funds for domestic programs that he opposed.as well partially destroying the credibility of the Republican party with the Watergate affair.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The recession and the dot.com meltdown had absolutely nothing to do with Bush, except it was "on his watch"- big deal. You've obviously forgotten about homeland security and the assault on the Tallyban in Afghanistan.

Bush and the Republicans contributed to it in a large measure. Bush did not come across a regulation he liked, he embarked upon massive deregulation during his eight years of office (aided by the Republicans controlled Congress). One of the reasons for the recent meltdown was business run amok, with no controls, no supervision.

So yes, it happened during Bush’s watch, and he gets the lion’s share of the blame for that.

 

[JLM]

Bush and the Republicans contributed to it in a large measure. Bush did not come across a regulation he liked, he embarked upon massive deregulation during his eight years of office (aided by the Republicans controlled Congress). One of the reasons for the recent meltdown was business run amok, with no controls, no supervision.

So yes, it happened during Bush’s watch, and he gets the lion’s share of the blame for that.[/quote}

About 75% of the cause of the recession is the sub prime mortgages and why would Bush be sticking his nose into the details of mortgages anyway? BAnkers control those things and besides I'm pretty sure Bush would be too astute to fall for that.
He's a bit of a "loose cannon" but he's not stupid.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

What’s with the quote function, JLM? It seems to have gone haywire.

 

[Cannuck]

About 75% of the cause of the recession is the sub prime mortgages and why would Bush be sticking his nose into the details of mortgages anyway?

There wasn't a politician in the US that could have re-regulated the industry. Like balanced budgets in the 70's and 80's, there just wasn't a political will to do so. There were a few who expressed concern (including George) but they were in the minority. Unless Dubya, or some other person took on dictatorial powers, the meltdown was going to happen.

 

[JLM]

There wasn't a politician in the US that could have re-regulated the industry. Like balanced budgets in the 70's and 80's, there just wasn't a political will to do so. There were a few who expressed concern (including George) but they were in the minority. Unless Dubya, or some other person took on dictatorial powers, the meltdown was going to happen.

Well, of course and dictatorial powers wouldn't have changed anything either except perhaps made the recession worse.

 

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Voight: Is Obama creating a civil war in America?

By: poorrichard
Tags: CURRENT EVENTS
POLITICS/ELECTIONS/CORRUPTION
WHITE HOUSE
“There’s a real question at stake now. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?” Mr. Voight tells Inside the Beltway.
“We are witnessing a slow, steady takeover of our true freedoms. We are becoming a socialist nation, and whoever can’t see this is probably hoping it isn’t true. If we permit Mr. Obama to take over all our industries, if we permit him to raise our taxes to support unconstitutional causes, then we will be in default. This great America will become a paralyzed nation.”
Be outraged, Mr. Voight advises.
Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.com » Voight: Is Obama creating a civil war in America?

 

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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Security Goon Crushes Free Speech: ‘This Ain’t America No More’ [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]'In a damning indictment of how the First Amendment has been eviscerated, footage from a recent town hall event shows a school security officer threatening a protester with arrest for holding up an anti-Obama sign while declaring that America has ceased to exist, arguing that unflattering representations of our dear leader are illegal.'[/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]One minute thirty-six seconds that captures Obama's America.[/FONT]
Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.com » Security Goon Crushes Free Speech: ‘This Ain’t America No More’​

 

[JBG]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]The Election Of The Greatest Con-Man In Recent History[/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]'The entire political spectrum ranging from the 'libertarian' left, through the progressive editors of the Nation to the entire far right neo-con/Zionist war party and free market Berkeley/Chicago/Harvard academics, with a single voice, hailed the election of Barack Obama as a 'historic moment', a 'turning point in American history and other such histrionics. For reasons completely foreign to the emotional ejaculations of his boosters, it is a historic moment: witness the abysmal gap between his 'populist' campaign demagoguery and his long-standing and deepening carnal relations with the most retrograde political figures, power brokers and billionaire real estate and financial backers.'[/FONT]

Election Of The Greatest Con-Man In Recent History​

The Bernie Madoff of politics.

 

[damngrumpy]

Oh my god if all the anti Obama things are true, don't tell me Batman, the Democrats hijacked the Republican Party. Republicans can't understand why they are so hated in America, well in the world actually. Obama is there only hope I
think, for if Americans can start to feel good about themselves they won't be to
depressed, to actually start cleaning up the mess the Republicans left behind.
Now it looks like the activities of some of the CIA and others will be investigated
and who knows some in the former White House may also be charged.
The extreme right was hard at work not only in America but in the world in general
and now the conservatives, who I akin to political locusts, are on the wain globally.
Who would have thought Japan would elect a left wing government after 54 years?
Obama is doing a good job when you think about the mess the right wing made for
him to clean up,

 

[ironsides]

Let me se if I understand this. The deficit under President Bush led to all kinds of insults and criticism. President Obama's deficit which is presently three times greater (and growing), is acceptable? Has everyone lost their minds?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Let me se if I understand this. The deficit under President Bush led to all kinds of insults and criticism. President Obama's deficit which is presently three times greater (and growing), is acceptable? Has everyone lost their minds?

Ironsides, there is a big difference between Obama deficit and Bush deficit. Bush inherited a healthy, roaring economy, he inherited a healthy budget surplus. Bush blew it all away, on tax cuts benefiting mostly the rich. In the process, he got rid of all the surplus and replaced it with huge deficits.

It was a self inflicted wound, bush was totally to blame for the deficit. Obama on the other hand, inherited a precarious economy, one which had every possibility of falling off a cliff. Drastic measures needed to be taken to avoid a serious depression, of the 30s style. Desperate situation calls for desperate actions.

So I for one wouldn’t blame Obama for running huge deficits, he had to do something to keep the economy from going into a long term depression. But you are right, the deficit cannot be sustained for long. There are some signs that the worst may be over, that we may finally see the much anticipated recovery. If that happens, I would like to see Obama run in 2012 on the platform of reducing the deficit and balancing the budget.