The discourse of people of Paradise and Hell

[eanassir]

Ah, the bankrupt old Argument from Design again. That the best you've got?

Not baknrupt;
yes it is the Argument from Design; nothing can result without the causative factor; any act must have been done by an actor.

God is the Creator of the universe, whatever words you may say.

"That the best you've got?"
Are we in a race, or do you seriously intend to reach the truth?

 

[L Gilbert]

Ah, water is wet: someone must have made it that way. :roll: I can't see how anyone can rationally draw that conclusion. So it follows that I can't see how anyone could rationally conclude that not only is water wet, everything else in the entire universe that has various qualities must have been made that way. It's illogical. And to believe some book written by humans without testing what it says, is just plain foolish.

 

[eanassir]

This is a trickery and fallacy.

Such diagrams are, in a way or another, like the propaganda of the media.

If the book gives the evidence, why don't they consider the evidence and the book.

As in the Quran 4: 174

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ قَدْ جَاءكُم بُرْهَانٌ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكُمْ نُورًا مُّبِينًا​

The explanation:
(O men, there has [now come to you the Quran as] a proof from your Lord;
We have sent down to you [the Quran as] an elucidating light.)

quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#ten%20commandment%20of%20Quran
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#ten%20commandment%20of%20Quran ​

 

[Keith777]

Nothingness is endless but light goes on for ever and in millions of years time there will be no stars and the crew of the enterprise and spocks logic will not fathom a way back to our solar system.

Truth cannot be found in any book but lessons can be learned for those who are not blinded by the world.

 

[Cliffy]

Truth cannot be found in any book but lessons can be learned for those who are not blinded by the world.

Now you are starting to make sense. Now if you can admit that the lessons that others learn may lead to a different understanding than yours.

 

[darkbeaver]

Ah, the bankrupt old Argument from Design again. That the best you've got?

That argument ceased to have weight when we embarked on the design trip ourselves, didn't it? It is by some design that we evoleve,isn't it?

 

[darkbeaver]

Truth cannot be found in any book but lessons can be learned for those who are not blinded by the world.

Now you are starting to make sense. Now if you can admit that the lessons that others learn may lead to a different understanding than yours.

What?! bOOKS RUYLE CLIFFFY, THERE IS NOTHING BETTER THAN THE WRITTEN WORD MON, EXCEPT THE SCREW THREAD. wE ARE ALL BLINDED BY THE WORLD, WHAT ELSE? a DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING THAN MINE---IMPOSSIBLE FANTASY MON.

 

[darkbeaver]

Nothingness is endless but light goes on for ever and in millions of years time there will be no stars and the crew of the enterprise and spocks logic will not fathom a way back to our solar system.

Truth cannot be found in any book but lessons can be learned for those who are not blinded by the world.

holy fock mon! A merchant of truth are you? I'll have two k please. startrek suyks

 

[eanassir]

The discourse and regret of the disbelievers in Hell​

This is in the Quran 67: 8-11​

تَكَادُ تَمَيَّزُ مِنَ الْغَيْظِ كُلَّمَا أُلْقِيَ فِيهَا فَوْجٌ سَأَلَهُمْ خَزَنَتُهَا أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ نَذِيرٌ . قَالُوا بَلَى قَدْ جَاءنَا نَذِيرٌ فَكَذَّبْنَا وَقُلْنَا مَا نَزَّلَ اللَّهُ مِن شَيْءٍ إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا فِي ضَلَالٍ كَبِيرٍ . وَقَالُوا لَوْ كُنَّا نَسْمَعُ أَوْ نَعْقِلُ مَا كُنَّا فِي أَصْحَابِ السَّعِيرِ . فَاعْتَرَفُوا بِذَنبِهِمْ فَسُحْقًا لِّأَصْحَابِ السَّعِيرِ​

The explanation:
(As it [Hell] would tear up [from simmering] with rage.

Whenever a group [of unbelievers] is cast into it,
its keepers will ask them: "Has not ever [in the World] any warner come to [warn] you [of this punishment]?"

They will say: "Yes, indeed, a warner did come to us, but we denied [him] and said: 'God did never reveal anything; surely you [messengers] are in great error!' "

They [will] also say: "If we had only listened [to the words of the messengers or apostles] or had understood [that to which they invited us] we would not have been among the inhabitants of the Blaze."

They [will] then confess their sins [but their confession will not avail them at that time], and far [from God's mercy will] be the inhabitants of the Blaze.)
​

 

[L Gilbert]

This is a trickery and fallacy.

As usual, you are wrong. It's only words. It is a simple illustration of how typical religious reasoning works. Without the diagram it looks like this: god wrote the book because we know god exists because the book says so and god wrote the book because we know god exists because the book says so ...... and so on. There's no trick to it and it isn't false.

Such diagrams are, in a way or another, like the propaganda of the media.

.... so says a typical novice propagandizer.

If the book gives the evidence, why don't they consider the evidence and the book.

The book gives no evidence. It only gives hearsay.

As in the Quran 4: 174

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ قَدْ جَاءكُم بُرْهَانٌ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكُمْ نُورًا مُّبِينًا​

The explanation:
(O men, there has [now come to you the Quran as] a proof from your Lord;
We have sent down to you [the Quran as] an elucidating light.)

quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#ten%20commandment%20of%20Quran
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#ten%20commandment%20of%20Quran ​

You should really try using a better translation of the Quran, ean.

 

[L Gilbert]

holy fock mon! A merchant of truth are you? I'll have two k please. startrek suyks

Jeeez Beav, you're becoming less lucid. Maybe time for a nap and a break from the toke?

 

[L Gilbert]

The discourse and regret of the disbelievers in Hell​

This is in the Quran 67: 8-11​

تَكَادُ تَمَيَّزُ مِنَ الْغَيْظِ كُلَّمَا أُلْقِيَ فِيهَا فَوْجٌ سَأَلَهُمْ خَزَنَتُهَا أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ نَذِيرٌ . قَالُوا بَلَى قَدْ جَاءنَا نَذِيرٌ فَكَذَّبْنَا وَقُلْنَا مَا نَزَّلَ اللَّهُ مِن شَيْءٍ إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا فِي ضَلَالٍ كَبِيرٍ . وَقَالُوا لَوْ كُنَّا نَسْمَعُ أَوْ نَعْقِلُ مَا كُنَّا فِي أَصْحَابِ السَّعِيرِ . فَاعْتَرَفُوا بِذَنبِهِمْ فَسُحْقًا لِّأَصْحَابِ السَّعِيرِ​

The explanation:
(As it [Hell] would tear up [from simmering] with rage.

Whenever a group [of unbelievers] is cast into it,
its keepers will ask them: "Has not ever [in the World] any warner come to [warn] you [of this punishment]?"

They will say: "Yes, indeed, a warner did come to us, but we denied [him] and said: 'God did never reveal anything; surely you [messengers] are in great error!' "

They [will] also say: "If we had only listened [to the words of the messengers or apostles] or had understood [that to which they invited us] we would not have been among the inhabitants of the Blaze."

They [will] then confess their sins [but their confession will not avail them at that time], and far [from God's mercy will] be the inhabitants of the Blaze.)
​

This dis-believer isn't going to hell, heaven, purgatory, Timbuktu, the north or south pole, or anywhere when he dies. You can if you like, though.

 

[CDNBear]

This dis-believer isn't going to hell, heaven, purgatory, Timbuktu, the north or south pole, or anywhere when he dies. You can if you like, though.

What about Lake Titicaca? And we ship you there for free. Posthumously of course?

 

[Cliffy]

Two Imams board a bus.
One says, "Where shall we go today?"
The other says, :Lets go to the museum."
The other says, "Oh no! There are too many christians there."
The other says, " Lets go to the art gallery."
The other says, "Oh no! There are too many christians there."
The other says, "Lets go to the theater."
The other says, "Oh no! There are too many christians there."

A man sitting behind them says,"Why don't you go to hell where all the muslims are?"

(That is an old catholic joke but it fits. Only those who believe in hell will go there.)

 

[L Gilbert]

What about Lake Titicaca? And we ship you there for free. Posthumously of course?

Ok. But you may have to fight wife, kids, other relatives, and friends to do that, though. lol

 

[Cliffy]

What about Lake ? And we ship you there for free. Posthumously of course?

In '88 two friends and I were on our way to Lake Titicaca to see if we could hitch a ride on a UFO. At the time, we discovered it was too dangerous to go to Peru. We made it as far south as Costa Rica. Had a great time at Monte Verde and trippin' with the monkeys on the west coast.
If Les doesn't want to take you up on your offer, I would go in a heart beat (or without one!) :lol:

 

[eanassir]

Some of the words of people in Paradise​

This is in soorah 10: 9-10 about the words of the people of Paradise:​

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّالِحَاتِ يَهْدِيهِمْ رَبُّهُمْ بِإِيمَانِهِمْ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهِمُ الأَنْهَارُ فِي جَنَّاتِ النَّعِيمِ . دَعْوَاهُمْ فِيهَا سُبْحَانَكَ اللَّهُمَّ وَتَحِيَّتُهُمْ فِيهَا سَلاَمٌ وَآخِرُ دَعْوَاهُمْ أَنِ الْحَمْدُ لِلّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ​

The explanation:
(Surely, those who believe and work righteous [works]; their Lord will guide them [to Paradise] because of their faith [in God and in His messenger]; rivers will flow below their [trees] in the Gardens of prosperity.

Their prayer in [Paradise]: "Glory to Thee, O God";
their greeting [of each other:] "Salam [to you!]"
and their prayers [therein] end [by saying:] "Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.")

If we want to mention all the words of believers in Paradise and disbelievers in Hell, this will take a considerable space, but in general:
The Quran mentions the discourse and the talking of people in Paradise and those in Hell, with much details, which cannot be found in any of the Torah or the Gospel.
This talking of the people of Paradise and Hell comes, in many occasions, in the past tense: which indicates that such discourse and talking is that of the people of the past planets that were destroyed in the previous Doomsday, and they are now suffering in Hell or prospering in Paradise, as does it indicate the future people of Paradise and Hell following the next Doomsday.
http://man-after-death.t35.com/2.htm#Paradise_(or_the_Garden)_
man-after-death.t35.com/2.htm#Paradise_(or_the_Garden)_

http://man-after-death.t35.com/2.htm#Hell_
man-after-death.t35.com/2.htm#Hell_​

 

[CDNBear]

Ok. But you may have to fight wife, kids, other relatives, and friends to do that, though. lol

:lol: No thanx, I hate being kicked out of funerals.

In '88 two friends and I were on our way to Lake Titicaca to see if we could hitch a ride on a UFO. At the time, we discovered it was too dangerous to go to Peru. We made it as far south as Costa Rica. Had a great time at Monte Verde and trippin' with the monkeys on the west coast.
If Les doesn't want to take you up on your offer, I would go in a heart beat (or without one!) :lol:

:lol:

Ummm, hitching a ride on a UFO? Please do tell, you have my full and undivided attention...

 

[Cliffy]

Heaven and hell are figments of a troubled mind. Life is what you make of it and depending on how you view life, this life can be heaven or hell. If you are a victim, live can be hell. If you treat people with love in your heart, this can be heaven. It is not dependent on you belief or dis-belief in some fictional god (who by the way, as you and christians describe him, is a lunatic.)

 

[Cliffy]

Shirley McClain said there are road signs around Lake Titicaca warning of low flying UFO. Supposedly, they have a base under water. According to locals, they have seen them flying into the lake on a daily bases for centuries. It is just a part of their daily life. I have also heard and read this from several other sources. What the heck! We had the money and nothing better to do at the time. I think we were wasted at the time we decided to go there (does that explain it?)