The discourse of people of Paradise and Hell

eanassir

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I will leave you with your quotes of great wisdom and give you no more exiting address.
i left him alone and he pursued me on to my own personal thread, so i pursue him on to this forum, and here is the shrinks little box of temptations.

I don't and shall not pursue you, and there is no need for this.
You will leave, farewell; but you said many words, and my answer will be to others who may read your words.


the Quran is not in any kind of chronological order it reads back to front and is a bit of mess
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The reader of the Quran can read any of its soorahs or chapters, whether at the beginning or at the end of the Book. And it isn't any mess.

it is not all there and without the sura it is complete nonsense, so you must be the only Islamic proffeser that understands it,

It is full of wisdom, and it is never nonsense; and it is preserved and known by heart by a large number of people including the non-Arab. Moreover, I am not a professor, and I did not claim I am alone that understand the Quran. The Quran was revealed to all people and genies, and each one understands what God makes him understand.

i do not not need my bible to speak truth and could counter anything you write with biblical passages but that would be pointless

I did not require you to counter any part of the Quran with Biblical passages. The Quran, the Torah and the Gospel all were revealed from God.

dont forget Hadith says that portions of the Qur'an were conflicting, changed, and cancelled,

The Quran is as a whole authentic; but some of Hadiths are fabricated and attributed to the Prophet; so any Hadith that contradicts the Quran, is a false Hadith. The Quran is affirmative, and is not annulled or abrogated by any Hadith. All parts of the Quran is firm, but many of the statements of the Torah have been annulled by the statements of the Quran which is more recent.

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Keith777

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The Quran is as a whole authentic; but some of Hadiths are fabricated and attributed to the Prophet; so any Hadith that contradicts the Quran, is a false Hadith. The Quran is affirmative, and is not annulled or abrogated by any Hadith. All parts of the Quran is firm, but many of the statements of the Torah have been annulled by the statements of the Quran which is more recent.

That is another thing i can not agree on and so what if the false statements have been over written by even more false statements?, because if you say that it is possible once then it must be possible a second time?.

I am not rich but i have more than most men and although i differ in opinion to what you believe, at least we both believe in a God, i only pursued you to offer you a gift and if i am wrong and you are right well then God will see that i had the right intentions. i believe it is Persian in design and hand made in Afghanistan but i may be wrong. i will take a photo and maybe you can explain the design i believe it to be a prayer mat, i will post a pic later as i cannot find my camera.
 
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Keith777

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not very good photos but the trader had one large and three small, he thought they were just normal carpets but i could see the errors in the weave and the camel hair around the edges and should imagine some fellow human being put at least three months of there life in to making one of them, i have never seen such items for sale in Birmingham only machine made which as you know are perfect.

so eanassir i believe we have the same God but parted company along the path and interpretation, we both believe we are right and we would both die without hesitation for our belief and so choose one of them as a gift from me and God will see we are both honorable men, all actions are known by God, if i am right and you are wrong i will plead your case to God and if you are right and i am wrong i would hope you would do the same for me, if these items are not to your liking i still have some very nice ladies rings and would send you two rings for your top two females, send me your p/o or mail drop and let me know friend eanassir. Below these is the cook selection from my harem, no eunuch was needed and so i saved a fortune.


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L Gilbert

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Some unlawful practices

1- The stealing… one of the Ten Commandments says: Do not steal.
I agree. It's sociopathic behavior.
2- The interest or the ratio of money gain.
Letting someone else use you money should cost them something.
The Disagreement of the

3- The bribe.
More sociopathic behavior
4- Hoarding gold and silver without spending any of that for the cause of God and in the way of God alone.
This is in the Quran 9: 34-35
وَالَّذِينَ يَكْنِزُونَ الذَّهَبَ وَالْفِضَّةَ وَلاَ يُنفِقُونَهَا فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ فَبَشِّرْهُم بِعَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ . يَوْمَ يُحْمَى عَلَيْهَا فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ فَتُكْوَى بِهَا جِبَاهُهُمْ وَجُنوبُهُمْ وَظُهُورُهُمْ هَـذَا مَا كَنَزْتُمْ لأَنفُسِكُمْ فَذُوقُواْ مَا كُنتُمْ تَكْنِزُونَ
The explanation:
(And they who hoard up gold and silver and expend them not for the sake of God – foretell them the tidings of a grievous chastisement [in the Hereafter.]

On the day when such [gold and silver] shall be heated in the fire of Hell, and their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be seared therewith! "This is [the recompense of the gold and silver] that you stored up for yourselves; taste then [the chastisement of the gold and silver] that you used to hoard.)
Although I consider hoarding more than one can use to be greed, spending anything on gods n demons is foolish and wasteful.

5- To be niggard and stingy towards the needy.
Agreed
6- The hoarding and monopoly of some goods, in order that their prices will become higher.
This ties in with what I said about greed.
7- To harm others with manipulating the prices of goods.
The greed thing again.
8- The cheating of the buyer, by giving him untrue idea about the goods.
The greed thing again.
9- To decrease the weighing and measuring.
huh?
10- To sell to people some bad and harmful goods: like some drugs, alcohol and tobacco, etc.
Also sociopathic, yup.
 

eanassir

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The expenditure in the way of God alone and for His sake alone

No man may spend anything on God; God does not need their money; but man offers the alms in the way of God: so that he may be rewarded in his next spiritual life following death; so actually man is spending on himself and storing wealth for himself to find all that in the kingdom of heaven or paradise.

As Prophet Jesus said in the Gospel according to Matthew 6: 19-20

“19 Don't lay up treasures for yourselves on the earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break through and steal;
20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven [by giving alms, for the sake of God alone, to the poor and needy àand his expenditure will be preserved for him in heaven]
, where neither moth nor rust consume, and where thieves don't break through and steal”

The one who spends much here in this World, he will have good account there in the afterlife, and will be rich; whereas the man that does not expend on the poor and needy for the sake of God alone, then he will be poor there in the next afterlife.

E.g. if one gives a garment [dishdasha as called here], then when he dies, the same garment, that he gave in the World to the poor for the sake of God alone, will be given to him and he will wear [its ethereal copy] and cover his shame with, but if he did not offer any dress to the poor for the cause of God alone without associate, then he will be naked in the afterlife and will be ashamed and disgraced among souls.

God out of His generosity, invites man and encourages him to expend on his soul to the poor and orphans for the cause of God and in the way of God alone; in order to purify himself from greed and from stinginess and neggardness and to be generous so that he will gain manyfold advantage and will be rewarded ten folds of what he expends in this life, and sevenhundred folds or more in the next afterlife.

And God Most Gracious tests them, and tries the rich by the poor and the poor by the rich to see how do they react and behave to recompense them accordingly, and they will have their ranks according to their self purification and devotion to God alone without associate.

If they associate others like Jesus and the saints, Mohammed, Ali and the imams and the sages and rabbis à then their work will be in vain, and they will lose and will not be rewarded but will be punished.

This is in the Quran 36: 47
وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ أَنفِقُوا مِمَّا رَزَقَكُمْ اللَّهُ قَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَنُطْعِمُ مَن لَّوْ يَشَاء اللَّهُ أَطْعَمَهُ إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا فِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ

The explanation:
(And when it is said to them [by the believers]:

"Expend in alms [to the poor and needy] out of [the wealth and provision] that God bestowed on you",

the unbelievers say to the believers: "Should we feed those that if God willed He would have fed; you only are in manifest error.")
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But in fact they did not realize that God is only trying some of them by means of others; to see is there any mercy in their hearts, and will the rich be moved to feed the poor or not?

Moreover, the expenditure in God’ way and for the sake of God alone is not confined for the rich; the poor can expend according to his capacity: if he can give a penny, let him give and God will increase his provision ten folds and give him more in the next afterlife when the rich may become poor and the poor may become rich according to what he forwards for his future spiritual life.

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eanassir

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Farewell to my friends and all those who enjoyed my postings


This is only to my friends and all those who enjoyed my posting here.

While to my adversaries, I don't forgive nor pardon them as long as they are the enemies of God.

I find this aya 33: 17

قُلْ مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَعْصِمُكُم مِّنَ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَرَادَ بِكُمْ سُوءًا أَوْ أَرَادَ بِكُمْ رَحْمَةً وَلَا يَجِدُونَ لَهُم مِّن دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلِيًّا وَلَا نَصِيرًا

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed, to them]:
"Who is it that can screen you from God in case He intends to punish or to favor you?"
Nor will they have – apart from God – any patron nor any helper.)

I have enjoyed your company in this forum, I posted many posts here, and I think it is time to leave and say farewell to my friends.

There have been many transgressions on my person by reviling and ridiculing, and I forebear all that in order to let the Quran reach others (and most of them had a distorted picture about it).

Now, I think there has been too much posting in which I invited people:
to worship God alone without associate or son,
to abandon the atheism,
to abandon the enthusiasm about Prophet Jesus, saints, sages and imams,
and to believe in the next afterlife.

But now it may be enough, and the evidence has been established against the atheist and the disbeliever, and it is time to stop posting in this dear forum.

I hope every good to every good fellow here :smile:​

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Farewell to my friends and all those who enjoyed my postings


This is only to my friends and all those who enjoyed my posting here.

While to my adversaries, I don't forgive nor pardon them as long as they are the enemies of God.

I find this aya 33: 17

قُلْ مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَعْصِمُكُم مِّنَ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَرَادَ بِكُمْ سُوءًا أَوْ أَرَادَ بِكُمْ رَحْمَةً وَلَا يَجِدُونَ لَهُم مِّن دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلِيًّا وَلَا نَصِيرًا

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed, to them]:
"Who is it that can screen you from God in case He intends to punish or to favor you?"
Nor will they have – apart from God – any patron nor any helper.)

I have enjoyed your company in this forum, I posted many posts here, and I think it is time to leave and say farewell to my friends.

There have been many transgressions on my person by reviling and ridiculing, and I forebear all that in order to let the Quran reach others (and most of them had a distorted picture about it).

Now, I think there has been too much posting in which I invited people:
to worship God alone without associate or son,
to abandon the atheism,
to abandon the enthusiasm about Prophet Jesus, saints, sages and imams,
and to believe in the next afterlife.

But now it may be enough, and the evidence has been established against the atheist and the disbeliever, and it is time to stop posting in this dear forum.

I hope every good to every good fellow here :smile:​

universeandquran.t35.com
man-after-death.t35.com
quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
Enemy? If there were such things as gods, I would treat them just as well as any other critter. IOW, they'd have no cause to call me enemy.
Established evidence? lmao The proper term would not be "evidence". "Propaganda" would be the proper term.

bye have a nice life try not to kill any patients or blab their personal issues all over the net