The cradle of civilization was not in Mesopotamia

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Marija Gimbutas – professor at U.C.L.A. – Civilization and Culture: “Romania is the hearth of what I named Old Europe, a cultural entity of 6.500 – 3.500 B.C., based on a matriarchal society, theocratic, peaceful, loving and creators of art, that preceded the patriarchal Indo-Europeanized societies of warriors from the bronze and iron age. It became evident that this ancient European civilization precedes the Sumerian by millennia. It was a period of real harmony, in full agreement with the creator energies of nature.”



6.500 - 2.500 B.C. | Romania, Moldova, Ukraine
William Schiller – American archaeologist (Where was civilization born?): “Civilization was born where the Romanian people live today, spreading to the east and the west (...) 13.000 - 15.000 years ago.”
Eugène Pittard (1917, La Roumanie – Valachie, Moldavie, Dobroudja): “The ethnic ancestors of Rumanians climb undoubtedly up to the first ages of humanity, the Rumanian Neolithic civilization representing only a recent chapter of the country’s history.”
Louis de La Vallée-Poussin (Histoire du monde. Indo-européens et Indo-iraniens. L’Inde jusque vers 300 av. J.C.): “The inhabitants of northern Lower Danube can be regarded as the places of origin of Indo-European languages, meaning the ancestors of Humanity.”
William Ryan and Walter Pitman, geologists (1995): “The place described in the Old Testament as being flooded is the one of the Black Sea.”





Clement of Alexandria (The Stromata, V-VI): “The barbarians weren’t only the discoverers of philosophy, but also of technology, science and art. I have to go further and clarify that the Greek philosophy stole from the barbarian philosophy. Most of the peoples had their apprenticeship between the barbarians. Plato praises the barbarians and reminds, as Pythagoras did, that they learned the most numerous and beautiful teachings by living between the barbarians.”
Klaus Schmidt, German archaeologist: “The peoples of the oldest civilizations of China and Japan had migrated, during the Neolithic age, for the most part, from S-E Europe, from the region of Dnieper, Danube and the Balkans.”
Sumerian researcher A. Kifisin: “The ancestors of Rumanians had a powerful influence upon the whole ancient world, respectively upon old Ellada, old Egypt, Sumer and even China.”
John Maridis, 1968, professor at University of London, states: “The Neolithic cultures Cucuteni and Gumelnița are maybe Europe’s richest.”
Marija Gimbutas – professor at U.C.L.A. – Civilization and Culture: “Romania is the hearth of what I named Old Europe, a cultural entity of 6.500 – 3.500 B.C., based on a matriarchal society, theocratic, peaceful, loving and creators of art, that preceded the patriarchal Indo-Europeanized societies of warriors from the bronze and iron age. It became evident that this ancient European civilization precedes the Sumerian by millennia. It was a period of real harmony, in full agreement with the creator energies of nature.”
Edgar Cayce (The Origin of Races – Readings):
READING: 364-13
(Question) Are the places designated for the beginning of the five races correct?
(Answer) As we find, these are changed, in that: Those in the Gobi, the yellow. The white – rather in the Carpathians than India, though this is the change to which they are made. The red, of course, in the Atlantean and in the American. The brown in the Andean. The black in the plain and the Sudan, or in the African.
Cucuteni-Trypillian Culture | Old Europe
Documentation:
German version: Die Cucuteni C-Keramik: Forschungsgeschichtliche Aspekte und Perspektiven > https://www.academia.edu/.../Die_Cucuteni_C-Keramik...
New data regarding the chronology of the Precucuteni, Cucuteni and Horodiştea-Erbiceni cultures > https://www.academia.edu/.../New_data_regarding_the...
SOME DATA ON HOUSE-BUILDING TECHNIQUES AND FOUNDATION RITES IN THE ARIUŞD-CUCUTENI CULTURE > http://saa.uaic.ro/articles/SAA.7.2000-2001.245-252.pdf
The largest sites in 4th millennium BC Europe? – the Trypillia mega-sites of Ukraine > http://e-a-a.org/TEA/archive/TEA_45_SUMMER_2015/r8_45.pdf
Proto-Indo-European speakers of the Late Tripolye culture as the inventors of wheeled vehicles: Linguistic and archaeological considerations > http://www.pies.ucla.edu/WeCIEC/parpola_a_2007f.pdf
THE WESTERN BORDER AREA OF THE TRIPOLYE CULTURE > https://repozytorium.amu.edu.pl/bit.../10593/13171/1/BPS-9-6 T_G_Movsha THE TRIPOLYE-CUCUTENI AND THE LENGYEL-POLGAR CULTURES PP_133-167.pdf
The Figurines of Old Europe > http://isaw.nyu.edu/.../pdf/figurines_of_old_europe.pdf
PRODUCTIVITY OF PRE-MODERN AGRICULTURE IN THE CUCUTENI–TRYPILLIA AREA > https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1505/1505.05121.pdf
 

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Don't be ridiculous. Britain is the cradle of civilization. And dinosaurs. And they won World War II all on their ownsome, with no help from nobody. And they invented everything.
 

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Just the other day in a Christian bashing thread some guy basically said Eden was on the Black Sea when it was a freshwater lake and was flooded when the Bosphorus was created thus ruining their day.
 

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The captain was very good to us
He dipped his prick in phosphorus
It shed a light all through the night
And steered us through the Bosphorus
 

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I think the civilization is more ancient than that of Mesopotamia; it may be in China.

But Adam might have been created in Iraq, on one of the mountains in the north of Iraq; might be in Shaqlawa (according to the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible)

And Adam was not the first human being: the Chinese and the African races were before Adam; therefore the civilization (I think) might have been in China before Mesopotamia.

An idea: The writing in the ancient Iraq or Mesopotamia is similar may be to the Chinese letters ? So it might have been imported from China ?? Could be.

Therefore, don't surprise if I say that Adam was created in Iraq ... Noah was also in Iraq, and
Abraham also from Iraq from Ur; in addition Prophet Jonah died in Iraq in Mosil near Ninevah
 

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And Adam was not the first human being: the Chinese and the African races were before Adam; therefore the civilization (I think) might have been in China before Mesopotamia.


What about us Northwestern Europeans? We weren't bred and mustered by the Sons of Ham.

My ancestors built a lot of these 5500+ years ago

http://www.britainexpress.com/History/prehistoric_monuments.htm
 
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The cradle of civilisation is Union Street in Dudley, near the B&M Bargains store and Patel's Multimart.
 

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I think the civilization is more ancient than that of Mesopotamia; it may be in China.

But Adam might have been created in Iraq, on one of the mountains in the north of Iraq; might be in Shaqlawa (according to the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible)

And Adam was not the first human being: the Chinese and the African races were before Adam; therefore the civilization (I think) might have been in China before Mesopotamia.

An idea: The writing in the ancient Iraq or Mesopotamia is similar may be to the Chinese letters ? So it might have been imported from China ?? Could be.

Therefore, don't surprise if I say that Adam was created in Iraq ... Noah was also in Iraq, and
Abraham also from Iraq from Ur; in addition Prophet Jonah died in Iraq in Mosil near Ninevah

Adam and Noah are mythical beings in a children's story.
 

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This is a good proof that the atheist and the non-religious is almost not trusted and not fair.

How is this?

Because if the atheist is truthful in his claim and denial .. he cannot say this absolutely .. he may have some right to say: most probably Adam and Noah may not be real, but to insist on his claim that they are mythical .. it gives a lot about the thinking of these atheists.
 

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This is about the creation of Adam and Eve, by the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible:

"I say: No doubt that God - be exalted – created Adam and Eve in the inside of the ground [in a grave], from wet soil, and they were planted like the truffles; then when their creation was complete, they got out from that grave to the surface of the earth.

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 71: 17, that means:

('And God has formed you from the earth as a planting.')

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 90: 4, that means:

(Surely, We created man [: Adam] inside [a grave; and his progeny inside the womb.])

It means: under or inside the ground.

The meaning: God created Adam in the 'inside' of one of the mountains; for God created Adam and Eve, on a mountain, and then they descended from it to the plain land.

However, God - be exalted - mentioned, one time, that He created Adam from mud or clay; and another time He said that He created him from earth or soil; because the wet soil or earth can be called mud as can it be called soil."

http://www.quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#Darkness_Is_Essential_for_the_Process_of_Creation
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This is the way that God creates a male and a female of a species and they will then reproduce and spread abroad in the earth.
The creation is still being carried out; and it explains the appearance of strange species in regions not expected to be found there like some snakes and mice ..etc.

There have been many observations of such creation, while no true and real evidence of the Darwin's theory, but only the imagination, and the misinterpretation of some observations.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#I_Saw_with_My_Own_Eyes_
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Refer also to a thread written by eanassir in this forum many years ago:

The Conditions essential for creating man and animal
1- decayed organic substances .. like the decayed corpses of man and animal.
2- a scanty water (Not much water)
3- complete darkness (like in a grave or a cave) --- the womb is also dark : the darkness of the abdominal wall, the uterine wall and the membranes surrounding the fetus.
4- complete calmness: if any movement or disturbances .. the ongoing creation process will be disrupted.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_259
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it explains the appearance of strange species in regions not expected to be found there like some snakes and mice ..etc.


... Muslims ...
 

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...The Conditions essential for creating man and animal
1- decayed organic substances .. like the decayed corpses of man and animal.
2- a scanty water (Not much water)
3- complete darkness (like in a grave or a cave) --- the womb is also dark : the darkness of the abdominal wall, the uterine wall and the membranes surrounding the fetus.
4- complete calmness: if any movement or disturbances .. the ongoing creation process will be disrupted.

Mo-HAM-Ed was born from the decayed corpse of a drowned pig, I believe. Satan impregnated a pig when he could find no little girls and out Mo came! That's why Muslim men grow beards and women must cover their faces. It's to hide their pig features.

I really hope you people earn to bathe.

 

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Native Australians and Papua New Guinea tribes pre-date Mesopotamians and others by millennia.

Natives of Australia and Papua New Guine lack the characteristics of a civilization, namely:

Large population centres
Monumental architecture
Written language
Agriculture
Division of labour
Organized religion
And generally a social hierarchy and organized warfare.

That does not mean that the aforementioned people were intellectually inferior; it just means that they lack the characteristics of a civilization, not all of which were good.
 

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Mo-HAM-Ed was born from the decayed corpse of a drowned pig, I believe. Satan impregnated a pig when he could find no little girls and out Mo came! That's why Muslim men grow beards and women must cover their faces. It's to hide their pig features.

I really hope you people earn to bathe.


Nice selfie...did you die taking it?